WILL THERE BE A RAPTURE?

[popeye]

Noah did not 'return' -- he never 'left' -- he 'was present' for the entire duration...

And - Noah was as close to the flood as you could get, without being in the water.

Noah was over a mile above the earth.

He descended POST FLOOD/POSTRIB BACK to earth.

You have no postrib departure by either lot or Noah.

This alone blows your theory totally and completely

 

[popeye]

Morning PlainWord,



Though you are correct in that "Stars" are also used in Revelation to symbolically represent fallen angels, here in this Scripture it is obvious that literal stars are in view and that because within the context the literal sun and the moon are mentioned. In Scripture, you will not usually see the literal mixed with symbolism. In this case since the literal sun and moon are in view here, it is not likely that the stars are going to represent angels, but actual stars in keeping with the context.

Matt.24:29 which you quoted above is synonymous with the sixth seal of Rev.6:12-14 and not Rev.12:9, which is when the war in heaven takes place at the middle of Daniel's seven. The Scripture's that are using star/stars as symbolic for angels is Rev.9:1 and Rev.12:3-4. And you are correct in that, demon's will be among us in great number, for at the fifth trumpet that star/angel will unlock the Abyss and out of it will come demonic beings resembling locusts looking like horses prepared for battle and will have tails and stings like scorpions and will be commanded to torment the inhabitants of the earth for five months. When the war in heaven takes place, then the dragon/Satan and his stars/angels will be thrown to the earth and will no longer have access to heaven, but will be able to concentrate their full malice upon the inhabitants of the earth.

99% of postrib doctrine is conjecture and cliché

Huge bizarre grand canyon leaps and non issue cliche

 

[Ahwatukee]

Hello PlainWord,

Further to my point. It really helps when one is able to identify the Beast of the Sea of Rev 13. This beast could be either ISIS or IRAN give its location.

The beast out of the sea represents that last ten toed kingdom of iron and partly baked clay. It also represents that ruler, the beast who will come up out of the Abyss and will be thrown into the lake of fire alive along with the false prophet when Jesus returns to end the age and establish his millennial kingdom.

The Harlot is ISLAM as I pretty conclusively proved in other posts.

The Harlot, Mystery Babylon, is Rome with her Babylonian pagan system.

* The seven heads you saw are seven hills upon which the woman sits.

Rome was literally built on and is famous for her seven hills.

* The woman you saw is that great city that rules over the kings of the earth.

At the time that John was receiving this information from the angel Rome was that city that ruled over the kings of the earth. It is meant to point us to Rome and her pagan religious system.

The woman was wearing purple and scarlet:

And she was glittering with gold:

Then those from the peoples, tribes, tongues, and nations will see their dead bodies three-and-a-half days, and not allow their dead bodies to be put into graves.

The peoples, tribes, tongues and nations is referring to all people world-wide and that because this event will most likely be televised.

These "peoples, tribes, tongues and nations" are Islamic. It is they who celebrate the spiritual defeat of the church in the above passage. Now compare to the below passage:

As previously stated, when you see peoples, tribes, tongues and nations, it is meant to represent the peoples of the entire earth and not just Islam. Also, the last time the church is mentioned is at the very end of chapter 3 of Revelation and is never mentioned within the events of God's wrath. After the end of chapter 3 of Revelation the only word that you will see representing a believer is the word "Hagios" translated as "Saint." From Chapters 1 thru 3 the word Ekklesia/church is used but the word Hagios/saint is not found. Likewise, from Rev.5:8 on you will never see the word Ekklesia/church but only the word Hagios/saints. God is making a distinction here for the reader between the church and the great tribulation saints, demonstrating that after the end of Rev.3 the church is never mentioned again within the narrative, ergo, the church is gone.

Then he said to me, “The waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues.

AS the Scripture states, peoples, multitudes, nations and tongues represent the woman's world-wide religious pagan influence. Rev.17:2 states that the kings and the inhabitants of the earth will commit spiritual adultery with the woman, meaning that they will partake in following her false religions system. Currently, there are over 1.2 billion Catholic's, what do you think is going to happen when one of their future popes plays the part of the false prophet and begins to perform those miracles, signs and wonders? The result will be that the rest of the world will be drawn to her, including all of the so-called Christian sects such as Mormonism, the Witnesses and any other counterfeit off-shoots of Christianity.

 

[Ahwatukee]

99% of postrib doctrine is conjecture and cliché

Huge bizarre grand canyon leaps and non issue cliche

I agree in that, the big problem with post-trib is that it would put the church through the entire wrath of God, which we are not appointed to suffer. Just curios though, why did you mention post-trib, when there is nothing mentioned about it my post above?

 

[popeye]

I agree in that, the big problem with post-trib is that it would put the church through the entire wrath of God, which we are not appointed to suffer. Just curios though, why did you mention post-trib, when there is nothing mentioned about it my post above?

I was agreeing in my roundabout way lol

 

[PlainWord]

Howdy PW. Hope all is well with you.

God bless.

Other than being sick in India, yes. Shouldn't of had the ice the other day.

 

[PlainWord]

Good.
An example of a pretrib RAPTURE scenario./ Postrib return with saints (Uh,lets see.....Noah RETURNED post flood)

Both lot's and noah's examples were used by Jesus.
Neither had a post judgement catching away.
Both left either before or during judgement.

You have never had a postrib rapture case. (uncanny how you can not or will not acknowledge you have NO CASE FOR a deliverance post anything)
Nor have you ever noticed the magnificent holes I continue to blow in your boggus theory.

Btw,Don't worry about your safety in the Holy Land. We won't let you off that easy....LOL

My dear friend.

You fail to recognize that when Jesus returns He sends His angels to gather His remnant. He is NOT gathering the Church!! You have no passage that identifies the CHURCH as being gathered by the untold tens of millions. You make the assumption that Jesus is discussing the Church in the Olivet when it is clear He is discussing events in Israel. This is proven by the fact that He warns, "When you see the Abomination of Desolation - those in Judea FLEE!!" Daniel confirms that Israel, not the church, is the subject in Dan 12.

Zechariah 8:11

But now I will not treat the remnant of this people as in the former days,’ says the Lord of hosts.

Zechariah 8:12
‘For the seed shall be prosperous, The vine shall give its fruit, The ground shall give her increase, And the heavens shall give their dew— I will cause the remnant of this people To possess all these.

Zechariah 14:2
For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem; The city shall be taken, The houses rifled, And the women ravished. Half of the city shall go into captivity, But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

Romans 9:27
Isaiah also cries out concerning Israel: “Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, The remnant will be saved.

Romans 11:5
Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

I believe therefore that when Jesus discusses sending out His angels to "Gather His Elect" he is referring to the remnant. When Paul discusses "those who are alive and remaining" is also discussing the remnant which are those believers not killed.

You see the Lord will gather this remnant of Israel, those saved, to Him to Israel where He will reign. God brings all the Saints who have died with Him. As Gary points out (and I agree), the Church appears to be all but wiped out during the Great Trib. We see the Eastern Church is already pretty much gone from the Land dominated by Islam.

The Church is killed by the evil spirits of Sodom and Egypt. The Eastern Church (Greek Orthodox) is killed by Islam = Egypt and the Western Church (Roman Catholic in terms of sheer numbers) is killed by Sodom = Gay Rights. This is happening already and one would have to be blind not to see what is going on in the West.

 

[PlainWord]

Such as never was since there was a nation,
Even to that time.
And at that time your people shall be delivered,
Every one who is found written in the book.

A NATION will be delivered, not the CHURCH!!

[SUP]15 [/SUP]“Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), [SUP]16 [/SUP]“then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.

Those in Judea are to flee. The trouble or Tribulation is coming to Israel. This is clear. We have the war of Ezek 38-39 which clearly identifies Israel's Islamic neighbors as the ones attacking her at the end. God intervenes and saves the remnant. All of this prophesy is about Israel. The OT prophets especially Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel and Zechariah all discuss Israel. The NT prophesies of Jesus, Paul and John tend to reiterate and add to these same prophesies.

The Church does not appear to be the focus. We know little about what happens to the Church. We are told of a massive falling away - which we are seeing already - as the youth of today of little interest around the Globe. The fervor of the Church worldwide is not what it used to be and certainly does not compare to the fervor of ISLAM.

 

[PlainWord]

Such as never was since there was a nation,
Even to that time.
And at that time your people shall be delivered,
Every one who is found written in the book.

A NATION will be delivered, not the CHURCH!!

[SUP]15 [/SUP]“Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), [SUP]16 [/SUP]“then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.

Those in Judea are to flee. The trouble or Tribulation is coming to Israel. This is clear. We have the war of Ezek 38-39 which clearly identifies Israel's Islamic neighbors as the ones attacking her at the end. God intervenes and saves the remnant. All of this prophesy is about Israel. The OT prophets especially Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel and Zechariah all discuss Israel. The NT prophesies of Jesus, Paul and John tend to reiterate and add to these same prophesies.

The Church does not appear to be the focus. We know little about what happens to the Church. We are told of a massive falling away - which we are seeing already - as the youth of today have little interest in spiritual things around the Globe. The fervor of the Church worldwide is not what it used to be and certainly does not compare to the fervor of ISLAM.

 

[PlainWord]

Morning PlainWord,



Though you are correct in that "Stars" are also used in Revelation to symbolically represent fallen angels, here in this Scripture it is obvious that literal stars are in view and that because within the context the literal sun and the moon are mentioned. In Scripture, you will not usually see the literal mixed with symbolism. In this case since the literal sun and moon are in view here, it is not likely that the stars are going to represent angels, but actual stars in keeping with the context.

Matt.24:29 which you quoted above is synonymous with the sixth seal of Rev.6:12-14 and not Rev.12:9, which is when the war in heaven takes place at the middle of Daniel's seven. The Scripture's that are using star/stars as symbolic for angels is Rev.9:1 and Rev.12:3-4. And you are correct in that, demon's will be among us in great number, for at the fifth trumpet that star/angel will unlock the Abyss and out of it will come demonic beings resembling locusts looking like horses prepared for battle and will have tails and stings like scorpions and will be commanded to torment the inhabitants of the earth for five months. When the war in heaven takes place, then the dragon/Satan and his stars/angels will be thrown to the earth and will no longer have access to heaven, but will be able to concentrate their full malice upon the inhabitants of the earth.

Yes, the sun and moon are literal but the stars cannot be literal as just one star falling from heaven would destroy earth.

 

[PlainWord]

Ahwatukee,

I have written extensively about the identity of the Harlot. Read Rev 17 and list all the clues given. The RCC cannot be the Harlot as she does not fit many of the clues. Islam, however, fits every single clue. Islam is the biggest false religion in the world by far.

1. Rome is not located in a wilderness, Mecca is.
2. Italians do not mourn by throwing dust on their heads, Muslims do.
3. Rome is not and was not, supported by 7 evil empires, Islam and its roots where: Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, Ottoman
4. Catholics do not behead those who won't convert, radical Muslims do.
5. The Kings of the Earth are Muslim/Arab, not Catholic
6. Catholics acknowledge the true God and His Son, Muslims have alternative God and Prophet.
7. Catholics are not going to invade Israel in the Last Days, Muslim nations will.
8. North of Israel is Turkey and Syria, not Rome.

This is just a partial list. Read also Gal 4 and you will see Paul compare and contrast Islam to Israel.

 

[Ahwatukee]

The Church is killed by the evil spirits of Sodom and Egypt. The Eastern Church (Greek Orthodox) is killed by Islam = Egypt and the Western Church (Roman Catholic in terms of sheer numbers) is killed by Sodom = Gay Rights. This is happening already and one would have to be blind not to see what is going on in the West.

Hey guy's!


If I may, the key to understanding the order of events in the book of Revelation is found in Rev.1:19 which says:

"Write, therefore, what you have seen, what is now and what will take place later."

What you seen: Everything that is written from Rev.1:1 to 1:18

What is Now: Is represented by the letters to the seven churches, which also represents the entire church period or the "what is Now." That being said, we are still in the church period/what is now and once the "what is Now" is completed, the Lord will appear and gather the dead and living believers ending the "what is Now."

What will take place later: This is synonymous the "what must take place after this" of Rev.4:1 where the voice that sounds like an angel says, "Come up here and I will show you what must take place after this, that is, come up here and I will show you what must take place after the "Now," that is, after the church period.

The error of many expositors is not recognizing that the resurrection and catching away of believers and Christ's return to the earth to end the age are two separate events, which is why all the confusion. Furthermore, from chapter 1 thru the very end of chapter 3, the word "Ekklesia/Church" is used over 20 times and you will never see the word "Hagios/Saints" within those same chapters. Likewise, from chapter 4 on you will only see the word "Hagios/Saints" but we never see the word "Ekklesia/Church." God is making a distinction here between the two groups, that is, between the church and the great tribulation saints. The reason for the absence of the word "Church" after the end of chapter 3 is God's way of demonstrating to us that the church is gone, removed. From Rev.5:8 and on, the only word that we see used to identify believers is the word "Saints."

At the end of the age when Jesus literally returns to the earth to establish his millennial kingdom, he will then send out his angels and first collect the weeds (one taken), then after that he will send his angels out to gather the wheat as demonstrated in the parable of Mt.13:24-30 and explained in Mt.13:36-43. Furthermore, when Jesus returns to the earth to end the age, those who will have been resurrected and caught up, the bride/church, are those who are following him out of heaven riding on white horses and wearing fine linen, white and clean as shown in Rev.19:. 14. These are referred to as his "called, chosen and faithful followers" found in Rev.17:14 and as the bride receiving her fine linen in Rev.19:6-8. Those mentioned as being resurrected in Rev.20:4 are not the church, but those great tribulation saints who will have been beheaded during that last 3 1/2 years for keeping the testimony of Jesus and the word of God and who will not have worshiped the beast, his image nor had received his mark. Another proof that the church is not present at the resurrection of Rev.20:4 is that, there is no mention of living believers being changed and caught up here, but only a resurrection of those who will have been beheaded.

Sometime during the first 3 1/2 years of that seven year period, the 144,000 who are the first fruits to God out of the nation Israel who will be those who recognize Jesus as their Messiah (gives birth to), will be sealed and will be caught to God's throne at the middle of the seven years. The woman/Israel who will have given birth to them will flee out into the desert and will be cared for that last 3 1/2 years until Christ returns to the earth to end the age. Both Israel and the great tribulation saints (Gentiles) and who make it through to the end when Jesus returns, will be those who will repopulate the earth during the millennial period.

According to Scripture, the church is not appointed to suffer the wrath of God and therefore, believers cannot be here during the time of seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, which is why we will be removed. Anyone who is an unbeliever or a believer who has gone back into the world, will not take part in the this phase of the first resurrection and that because they will not have been watching. Bridesmaids with no extra oil!

I hope that this clears some things up.

 

[weakness]

Saved from God's wrath, (which is eternity in Hell), YES! But nowhere does the bible say that we will be saved from tribulation and trouble. In fact, we see the opposite.

Just ask Paul and see what he says in his second letter to the Corinthians:

2Co 11:24 Of the Jews five times received I forty stripes save one.
2Co 11:25 Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day have I been in the deep;
2Co 11:26in journeyings often, in perils of rivers, in perils of robbers, in perils from my countrymen, in perils from the Gentiles, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren;
2Co 11:27in labor and travail, in watchings often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness.

​I was thinking about this last night. What is the difference? As a child of God we think of chastisement or correction , something that teaches us to be more like Jesus. Seems that tribulation would cause this effect. Where as wrath is severe punishment, for destruction and payment of sins consequences. Rev. seems to distinguish between the two, the great tribulation and the wrath being poured out upon the unrepentant. An example is where Jesus said to peter that Satan desired to sift him, and he would come through at the end better off for it.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Ahwatukee,

I have written extensively about the identity of the Harlot. Read Rev 17 and list all the clues given. The RCC cannot be the Harlot as she does not fit many of the clues. Islam, however, fits every single clue. Islam is the biggest false religion in the world by far.

1. Rome is not located in a wilderness, Mecca is.
2. Italians do not mourn by throwing dust on their heads, Muslims do.
3. Rome is not and was not, supported by 7 evil empires, Islam and its roots where: Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, Ottoman
4. Catholics do not behead those who won't convert, radical Muslims do.
5. The Kings of the Earth are Muslim/Arab, not Catholic
6. Catholics acknowledge the true God and His Son, Muslims have alternative God and Prophet.
7. Catholics are not going to invade Israel in the Last Days, Muslim nations will.
8. North of Israel is Turkey and Syria, not Rome.

This is just a partial list. Read also Gal 4 and you will see Paul compare and contrast Islam to Israel.

What I have written fits Rome to a tee. I did not provide that information as a debate, but to teach. Therefore, if you do not agree, then that is your prerogative.

Catholics do not behead those who won't convert, radical Muslims do.

First, you need to go back and read up on the history of the RCC and her pope's from her inception up until 1798. She was behind all of the major inquisitions where she had people imprisoned, property confiscated, tortured and burned at the stake. So, please don't tell me that she is not capable of beheading. Also, you have to take into consideration that the RCC and her pope will gain the power that she once had and more when that antichrist is revealed and that because the beast and the false prophet will be working together as a team.

The Kings of the Earth are Muslim/Arab, not Catholic

The kings of the earth are just that, all of the kings of the earth. They will engage with her in spiritual adultery by partaking with her in her pagan beliefs and rituals, as well as the inhabitants of the earth.

Catholics acknowledge the true God and His Son, Muslims have alternative God and Prophet.

There be Lord's many and gospels many! The RCC does not worship the same the Lord that we do, but is pagan through and through. In her can be found many of the Babylonian pagan rituals and practices. We can start with that Egyptian obelisk that is sitting out in the middle of saint Peter's square. She worships Mary as the queen of heaven, which was transferred over to the RCC when Constantine deemed Christianity as the official religion of Rome. And when he did this along with it came the worship of all the god's that Rome was worshiping, the practice of mother and son worship transferred over from Semiramis and Tammuz and Isis and Horus, queen of heaven worship transferred over from Semiramis as queen of heaven. Then you have the ritual of the Eucharist with their claim that through the mysterium, Christ literally comes down out of heaven and resides in the Eucharist and transubstantiation taking place, which is defined as the appearance of the Eucharist remaining the same, but the substance is transformed into the literal flesh and blood of the Lord. They do this because they believe that the believer is literally eating the flesh and blood of Christ. I could go on about the sacraments, the teachings of Purgatory, indulgences, Mary worship and on and on, but there is not enough room here. In short, the RCC, though they claim to, does not believe in the same Lord as the true church does, but another Lord and another gospel.

Catholics are not going to invade Israel in the Last Days, Muslim nations will.

You are correct, Catholics are not going to invade Israel, but the beast and his armies will. The pope and the RCC will represent the religious side of this alliance with the pope being the beast's false prophet and because of this alliance the RCC will have all the power they could ever want. Islam is currently waiting for their twelfth Imam and Israel is waiting for their Messiah and that because they did not recognize Jesus as their Messiah. Therefore, when this antichrist is revealed, he will appease both Islam and Israel and the antichrist will make It possible for Israel to rebuild their temple on the temple mount, which will put the dome of the rock in the outer court (Rev.11)

Islam does not fit any of the criteria of the woman who rides the beast. She is not a city, she does not sit on seven hills and she is not of Christ. When it says that the kings of the earth commit adultery with the woman, it is figuratively referring to being unfaithful to Christ, while posing as His true follower. Islam is not doing this, for they only consider Jesus as a prophet and they are not committed to him. The RCC on the other hand is posing as Christ's true follower, but is being unfaithful by her pagan practices while proclaiming to be the true church.

 

[weakness]

My dear friend.

You fail to recognize that when Jesus returns He sends His angels to gather His remnant. He is NOT gathering the Church!! You have no passage that identifies the CHURCH as being gathered by the untold tens of millions. You make the assumption that Jesus is discussing the Church in the Olivet when it is clear He is discussing events in Israel. This is proven by the fact that He warns, "When you see the Abomination of Desolation - those in Judea FLEE!!" Daniel confirms that Israel, not the church, is the subject in Dan 12.

Zechariah 8:11

But now I will not treat the remnant of this people as in the former days,’ says the Lord of hosts.

Zechariah 8:12
‘For the seed shall be prosperous, The vine shall give its fruit, The ground shall give her increase, And the heavens shall give their dew— I will cause the remnant of this people To possess all these.

Zechariah 14:2
For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem; The city shall be taken, The houses rifled, And the women ravished. Half of the city shall go into captivity, But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

Romans 9:27
Isaiah also cries out concerning Israel: “Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, The remnant will be saved.

Romans 11:5
Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

I believe therefore that when Jesus discusses sending out His angels to "Gather His Elect" he is referring to the remnant. When Paul discusses "those who are alive and remaining" is also discussing the remnant which are those believers not killed.

You see the Lord will gather this remnant of Israel, those saved, to Him to Israel where He will reign. God brings all the Saints who have died with Him. As Gary points out (and I agree), the Church appears to be all but wiped out during the Great Trib. We see the Eastern Church is already pretty much gone from the Land dominated by Islam.

The Church is killed by the evil spirits of Sodom and Egypt. The Eastern Church (Greek Orthodox) is killed by Islam = Egypt and the Western Church (Roman Catholic in terms of sheer numbers) is killed by Sodom = Gay Rights. This is happening already and one would have to be blind not to see what is going on in the West.[/QUOTe/I think the scripture describes both the church and the jews in these prophesies. 12,000 of each tribe of Israel and other people are involved in Rev. distinguishing between the two. Also there is only one faith, one lord of both Jew and Greek, and I don't think there will be two temples in the new heaven and earth. Scripture says we are the temple God will dwell in and we are being built a Holy temple to the lord. As far as the harlot , it say all the blood of those slain on the earth is found in her. That would include Able and the catholic church wasn't around then. I think people in the world of unbelievers is the harlot rising out of peoples tongues and nations. As you say ,Paul said even at this time there is a remnant of grace, speaking of his own time. But all almost is speculation, sometimes I feel God shewing me some thing then it fades away till a later time. Things are definitely accelerating and changing in the world and church . We should be watching and waiting on God to know his will for each of us.

 

[Ahwatukee]

I believe therefore that when Jesus discusses sending out His angels to "Gather His Elect" he is referring to the remnant. When Paul discusses "those who are alive and remaining" is also discussing the remnant which are those believers not killed.

He is referring to both the survivors of the nation Israel who will have been cared for out in the wilderness for that last 3 1/2 years and the Gentile great tribulation saints who will make it through to the end and not just Israel. Both of these groups will be those who will repopulate the earth during the millennial kingdom.

 

[weakness]

The whole passage describes a physical-realm event on the Earth. Please try not to spiritualize the passage.

[/QUOTE The beast in the sea is Satan upon which the harlot rides .The second beast has a deadly head wound that the world wonders after. Seven heads are seven kings Five are fallen one is{rome} one is yet to come for a short time. then there is the eight and is one of the seven and comes out of perdition, mountain is a symbol of power ie. mount Zion .Seven heads mountains are seven world powers that have and will rule over the world. Ten kings are the ten horns that give there power unto the beast. Reminds me of the fourth beast of Daniel and Neb. Image with the feet of iron mixed with mired clay.

 

[weakness]

The rapture IS the 1st resurrection... (same event/timing)

​ The martyrs live and reign with Christ a thousand years before the earth and sea give up their dead and are judged. This could be the first resurrection, I guess.

 

[PlainWord]

What I have written fits Rome to a tee. I did not provide that information as a debate, but to teach. Therefore, if you do not agree, then that is your prerogative.



First, you need to go back and read up on the history of the RCC and her pope's from her inception up until 1798. She was behind all of the major inquisitions where she had people imprisoned, property confiscated, tortured and burned at the stake. So, please don't tell me that she is not capable of beheading. Also, you have to take into consideration that the RCC and her pope will gain the power that she once had and more when that antichrist is revealed and that because the beast and the false prophet will be working together as a team.



The kings of the earth are just that, all of the kings of the earth. They will engage with her in spiritual adultery by partaking with her in her pagan beliefs and rituals, as well as the inhabitants of the earth.



There be Lord's many and gospels many! The RCC does not worship the same the Lord that we do, but is pagan through and through. In her can be found many of the Babylonian pagan rituals and practices. We can start with that Egyptian obelisk that is sitting out in the middle of saint Peter's square. She worships Mary as the queen of heaven, which was transferred over to the RCC when Constantine deemed Christianity as the official religion of Rome. And when he did this along with it came the worship of all the god's that Rome was worshiping, the practice of mother and son worship transferred over from Semiramis and Tammuz and Isis and Horus, queen of heaven worship transferred over from Semiramis as queen of heaven. Then you have the ritual of the Eucharist with their claim that through the mysterium, Christ literally comes down out of heaven and resides in the Eucharist and transubstantiation taking place, which is defined as the appearance of the Eucharist remaining the same, but the substance is transformed into the literal flesh and blood of the Lord. They do this because they believe that the believer is literally eating the flesh and blood of Christ. I could go on about the sacraments, the teachings of Purgatory, indulgences, Mary worship and on and on, but there is not enough room here. In short, the RCC, though they claim to, does not believe in the same Lord as the true church does, but another Lord and another gospel.



You are correct, Catholics are not going to invade Israel, but the beast and his armies will. The pope and the RCC will represent the religious side of this alliance with the pope being the beast's false prophet and because of this alliance the RCC will have all the power they could ever want. Islam is currently waiting for their twelfth Imam and Israel is waiting for their Messiah and that because they did not recognize Jesus as their Messiah. Therefore, when this antichrist is revealed, he will appease both Islam and Israel and the antichrist will make It possible for Israel to rebuild their temple on the temple mount, which will put the dome of the rock in the outer court (Rev.11)

Islam does not fit any of the criteria of the woman who rides the beast. She is not a city, she does not sit on seven hills and she is not of Christ. When it says that the kings of the earth commit adultery with the woman, it is figuratively referring to being unfaithful to Christ, while posing as His true follower. Islam is not doing this, for they only consider Jesus as a prophet and they are not committed to him. The RCC on the other hand is posing as Christ's true follower, but is being unfaithful by her pagan practices while proclaiming to be the true church.

[SUP]3 [/SUP]So he carried me away in the Spirit into the wilderness. And I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast...

Is Rome located in the wilderness? NO. John did not recognize where he was taken. He would most certainly have recognized Rome. Where is the wilderness? Where did the Children of Israel go when they left Egypt? The Wilderness, not Rome.

MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT,
THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS...

Also not Rome. "Allahu Akbar" = God (Allah) is GREAT.

I will tell you the mystery of the woman and of the beast that carries her, which has the seven heads and the ten horns....The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits. [SUP]10 [/SUP]There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time.

Again, these seven heads are historic 7 empires all of which enslaved Israel, all of which worshiped Idols where such worship included the Sun and Moon which are Satanic. The symbol of Islam is the crescent and moon and has roots back to Babel. John is using Daniel's symbolism from Dan 7 here. The RCC has roots from Emperor Constantine of the 4th century. These beasts that John discusses goes all the way back to Egypt.

“The waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues.

These are Muslims. Have you ever seen a picture of Mecca during the Haj? Compare to Dan 3:

“To you it is commanded, O peoples, nations, and languages, [SUP]5 [/SUP]that at the time you hear the sound of the horn, flute, harp, lyre, and psaltery, in symphony with all kinds of music, you shall fall down and worship the gold image that King Nebuchadnezzar has set up...

Babylon did not conquer the area of Rome. The peoples it conquered are ancestors of the same people who follow Islam today. Remember that the name given for the Harlot is Babylon, not Rome. This is because the false religion resembles Babylon right down to the way they worshiped by falling down and worshiping an image. Today it is the Kaaba Stone which is a meteor fallen from the sky and is actually placed as the cornerstone in the Temple of Allah. It is a BLACK STONE. We have a white stone and our corner stone is Christ.

Now pay attention to the musical instruments mentioned in Dan 3.

horn, flute, harp, lyre, and psaltery...

They are the same mentioned in Rev 18 here.

“Thus with violence the great city Babylon shall be thrown down, and shall not be found anymore. [SUP]22 [/SUP]The sound of harpists, musicians, flutists, and trumpeters shall not be heard in you anymore.

These are not Catholic instruments. They are middle eastern instruments. They will throw dust on their heads to mourn the loss of their holy city. Italians do not do this, Muslims do.

Now I will give you the meaning of the 4th seal.

[SUP]7 [/SUP]When He opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature saying, “Come and see.” [SUP]8 [/SUP]So I looked, and behold, a pale GREEN horse. And the name of him who sat on it was Death, and Hades followed with him. And power was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword, with hunger, with death, and by the beasts of the earth.

This horse is NOT PALE. It is CHLOROS or GREEN. It was an incorrect translation. Islam teaches that when you die as a martyr you go to Paradise. Do you know what the color GREEN symbolizes in Islam? Paradise. This passage tells us they do not go to Paradise, rather they go to HADES. Islam makes up 1/4 of the world's population. The 57 mostly Islamic nations added together have a combined GDP of less than that of Germany. They are extremely poor countries. Starvation runs rampant in many Islamic nations. Thus they kill with Hunger. They kill with disease and the kill with their nations (beasts).

The RCC has many issues and have committed many atrocities but Islam is a Satanic knock-off of Christianity which is how Satan operates. The GREEN ELEPHANT in the room is Islam my friend and she is the MOTHER OF ALL FALSE RELIGIONS.

 

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The green flag of Saudi Arabia
by Contributing Writer While neither the Quran nor the hadith contain specific references to things that should represent Islam, over time certain colors and symbols have come to be associated with Muslims and the Islamic faith. Rather than derived from scripture, symbols like the star and crescent and the colors typically associated with Islam today are simply the products of centuries of cultural tradition.

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[h=2]Green[/h] The color most strongly associated with Islam is green because it has represented Islam for centuries. Many Islamic countries such as Saudi Arabia and Iran feature the color green on their national flags. Some believe that green was the Prophet Muhammad's favorite color, and it is mentioned in a number of verses in the Quran as the color that will be worn by the inhabitants of paradise.

[h=2]Black[/h] During the period of the Islamic Caliphate, warring factions took on certain colors to represent themselves. When the Abbassid Caliphate revolted against the Umayyads, they wore black clothing and carried black battle standards as it was thought that the coming of the messiah would be signified by a man with a black banner. Today in Iran, devout Shiite women wear black chador and ayatollahs wear black cloaks, while certain descendants of the Prophet Muhammad wear black turbans.

[h=2]White[/h] White is perhaps the second-most associated color with Islam. The color white symbolizes purity and peace and so it is often worn by Muslims attending Friday prayers. Muslims also wear it when performing sacred rites of pilgrimage. The Umayyads chose white for their battle standards when they fought the Abbassid during the Caliphate period, and it has appeared on many Islamic flags since.

[h=2]Red[/h] Although red is often also associated with Islam, it does not have any particular religious significance. Red was featured on Muslim battle standards, which may be why it appears on some national flags today. The color red may also have come to be associated with Islam due because in Muslim countries the International Red Cross has used the red crescent symbol on its flags since 1876.