Obsession with Confession (1 John 1:9, sin confession)

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Tell me He RoseFromTheDead where in the Book of Genesis did Adam and Eve confess their sin to God?
God came LOOKING for them first! They did not seek out God to confess their sin.
They WERE restored by God.
Why RoseFromTheDead are you trying to insert into the Scriptures YOUR opinion of what happened?
I do not see any confession from Adam and Eve. So why are you adding to the Scriptures that they confessed?

GOD interrogated them and they confessed to their crime - I did eat. Simple. After the confession they were brought back into fellowship when their nakedness was covered.

And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden. And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou? And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself. And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat? And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat. And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat. Genesis 3:8-13​

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

No, you asked, and I quote:

I asked Jesus to forgive my sins 37 years ago. He showed me in His word that He did.... all I had to do was believe in Him and accept that permanent forgiveness.

So all you do not is screw up now rather than sin? I think crossnote has a good point in pressing this.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

You know crossnote, you entered this thread combative from the start. First you didn't even read the OP before posting and secondly started throwing assumptions out. You came in with a bad attitude, even so belittling my posts, and now are doing it to Willie-T. You are just being insulting and close minded. You've liked my posts in the past and I was actually surprised to see the response you have had to this thread. Even so, to insulting my beliefs. Whats wrong with you?

Combative? You started this thread by bearing false witness. It's our right and duty to confront error. You are the one who is being combative and taking offense. You're starting to sound like just-me.

 

[BenFTW]

Wow, I missed a lot of activity on this thread over night and this morning. haha HeRoseFromTheDead, your mistake in trying to correlate how people received forgiveness by "going to light" and how we receive forgiveness by "being in the light" is contradictory by nature. One is a work of going to something. Another is abidance. We are in the light because we are in Christ. He is, after all, the Light of the World. Jesus, Himself, says that His followers shall never walk in darkness. I believe Him. When we believe in Jesus Christ we are walking in the light and not the darkness(the world/unbelief) that is outside of Him.

Our fellowship with God is never tainted, only by our own mindset and heart. The separation is not due to God but man. Sin no longer separates us from God because the blood of Christ continually cleanses us. We don't go to get cleaned, we are already continually cleansed. The reason sin seems to separate us from God in our experience is because we either believe it actually does and therefore separate ourselves from His presence (we distance ourselves) or, our hearts condemn us, not realizing the gift of no condemnation.

1 John 3:21King James Version (KJV)

21 Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.

Its funny that you went into the Greek and showed that confessing is coming in agreement with God about sin. To me that makes even more sense that this verse of sin confession is to the unbeliever. We are to acknowledge of sinfulness to God, that we are indeed sinners in need of the Savior, Jesus Christ. The context shows this, considering hes telling them of the fellowship he has with the Father and His Son, Jesus Christ.

Sin confession for forgiveness ignores what Jesus did at the cross of Calvary, and also usurps His role as High Priest, because He is the mediator, not you. You don't defend yourself, He is the Advocate. He is the one interceding on your behalf forever. You need not say a word, the cross was sufficient. His sacrifice was and is enough for your sins. His blood paid the price and it has cleansed you. Our sin confession accomplishes nothing towards forgiveness but a comforting in our hearts that we have made ourselves right with God. However, if you would get a grasp of the gift of no condemnation you would already have this confidence towards God, knowing there is therefore now no condemnation for those that are in Jesus Christ.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I hope everyone reads this original post before responding.

The premise that the article is based upon is pure speculation. There's not much meat on the bone after that.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

How is it not clear that John is not speaking towards believers but addressing non-believers (though believers be in the audience)? He is proclaiming to someone outside of the fellowship, he is inviting them into that fellowship. It couldn't be any clearer, without even looking into the historical aspect of it all (in regards to Gnosticism).

Opinion, not fact. It undermines you whole OP.

 

[FreeNChrist]

The premise that the article is based upon is pure speculation. There's not much meat on the bone after that.

Then you will never understand. You will never get first John, you will never get the Bible, if you do not see that there is a constant contrast being made between believers and the lost. Absent that understanding people do just what you are doing, they apply what is written about the lost onto believers.

 

[BenFTW]

Opinion, not fact. It undermines you whole OP.

I see that you aren't a history major. Believe what you want, I will enjoy the peace of no condemnation.

 

[FreeNChrist]

Well the broken fellowship is real because a relationship takes two parties, but you are right that it is our stance that keeps us from enjoying that relationship (fellowship). GOD does not, cannot, usurp our will to persist in broken fellowship. But he knows it's broken because we have withdrawn in shame from him (like Adam and Eve did) because of a defiled conscience.

It's not a "defiled conscience" that causes us to withdraw from God, it's a lack of understanding that we are loved, totally forgiven and entirely accepted by God in spite of our sin. He knows us better then we know ourselves - and loves us still. He is a Savior who empathizes with us in our struggles, in our weaknesses - and it is that assurance that allows us to draw near to Him in our time of need.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I see that you aren't a history major. Believe what you want, I will enjoy the peace of no condemnation.

I can see that you weren't a philosophy major. Your assertion that because gnostics existed at the time John was addressing them is a non-sequitur. It doesn't follow. There is no evidence.

 

[BenFTW]

I can see that you weren't a philosophy major. Your assertion that because gnostics existed at the time John was addressing them is a non-sequitur. It doesn't follow. There is no evidence.

The evidence is within the context. You fail to see the context. You also fail to see the total forgiveness we have at the cross because of Jesus. This isn't my problem, its yours. That you think you need to access God's forgiveness through means of sin confession is a work of the flesh and not of faith. Is Jesus' sacrifice enough for you, or must your confidence rely in your daily sin confession? I choose Jesus. What do you choose?

As I keep saying to you, you do not know where you stand on the side of grace or Law. One moment you're refuting others with grace, the next you're against people of grace with comments of self-righteousness. You're blown to and fro with the wind having no foundation (that is Jesus Christ).

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

The evidence is within the context. You fail to see the context. You also fail to see the total forgiveness we have at the cross because of Jesus. This isn't my problem, its yours. That you think you need to access God's forgiveness through means of sin confession is a work of the flesh and not of faith. Is Jesus' sacrifice enough for you, or must your confidence rely in your daily sin confession? I choose Jesus. What do you choose?

As I keep saying to you, you do not know where you stand on the side of grace or Law. One moment you're refuting others with grace, the next you're against people of grace with comments of self-righteousness. You're blown to and fro with the wind having no foundation (that is Jesus Christ).

It's an imaginary context. You have no evidence for it.

As far as your other comments about me, you imagine having discernment and authority that you don't have.

 

[BenFTW]

It's an imaginary context. You have no evidence for it.

As far as your other comments about me, you imagine having discernment and authority that you don't have.

If you had an imagination you might just be able to dream of the freedom you could have in Christ. Rather, instead of a dream you'd rather promote a nightmare of self-righteousness putting people into an oppressive mindset of sin confession instead of rest.

I am just being poetic now, we disagree on somethings it seems. Are they foundational? I believe so, at least to have victory in this life, to overcome sin. So long as you believe we are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ we are good in that respect. So, let me ask you. What are your thoughts on overcoming sin? How is it done?

 

[FreeNChrist]

The premise that the article is based upon is pure speculation. There's not much meat on the bone after that.

Since I have received no replies to any of my posts to HeRoseFromTheDead I am guessing I am on ignore. Many just believe what they believe because they want to believe what they believe, and don't want to be distracted from it by the truth. Like a child they just put their hands over their ears and shout "la la la". Which is fine I guess, if you want to remain a child.

 

[BenFTW]

Since I have received no answers to any of my questions to HeRoseFromTheDead I am guessing I am on ignore. Many just believe what they believe because they want to believe what they believe, and don't want to be distracted from it by the truth. Like a child they just put their hands over their ears and shout "la la la". Which is fine I guess, if you want to remain a child.

That's what those who oppose rightly dividing the Word do around here (*cough* just-me *cough*). They put you on ignore and keep spreading their crap, I mean doctrine. lol

 

[KennethC]

Confession for sins is not a work of the flesh, it is a work of the faith !!!

Our Lord Jesus even gave us an example of confessing our sins/trespasses in the Lord's prayer of Matthew 6:9-13.

Instead of going against what the Lord taught we should be confirming and upholding what He taught, and the Holy Spirit that is within us can not deny Himself, therefore He can not deny the teachings the Lord gave. This thinking that what Jesus showed and commanded is not for us is a bad understanding of the word.

By Apostle John speaking on confession in 1 John 1:9 he is expounding on the Lord's prayer for forgiveness.

Why do some choose to change the context of scriptures that are plainly stating what they are saying, there is no hidden meaning in 1 John 1:9 as it clearly says what the confess for sins is for !!!

 

[FreeNChrist]

Confession for sins is not a work of the flesh, it is a work of the faith !!!

Our Lord Jesus even gave us an example of confessing our sins/trespasses in the Lord's prayer of Matthew 6:9-13.

Instead of going against what the Lord taught we should be confirming and upholding what He taught, and the Holy Spirit that is within us can not deny Himself, therefore He can not deny the teachings the Lord gave. This thinking that what Jesus showed and commanded is not for us is a bad understanding of the word.

By Apostle John speaking on confession in 1 John 1:9 he is expounding on the Lord's prayer for forgiveness.

Why do some choose to change the context of scriptures that are plainly stating what they are saying, there is no hidden meaning in 1 John 1:9 as it clearly says what the confess for sins is for !!!

La la la la la la la......

 

[KennethC]

That's what those who oppose rightly dividing the Word do around here (*cough* just-me *cough*). They put you on ignore and keep spreading their crap, I mean doctrine. lol

You know your response right here is why people put some on ignore, because of your attitudes and not your understanding of scripture or should we say misunderstanding.

As you claim rightly dividing the word, but that meaning does not mean to take and allow scriptures to be pulled out and stand on their own. Rightly dividing the word means you go by everything that is said on a topic and use them all to come up with the correct understanding of what was said.

If a person believes what Jesus said in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John is not for us then that clearly shows they don't know how to rightly divide the word, because the Apostles confirmed, upheld, expounded, and taught all the same things that the Lord Jesus said !!!

 

[valiant]

It appears to me that the problems arising in this thread arise because of a failure to see that there are two types of forgiveness. There is the forgiveness of the court (a pardon) which restores a person to being not guilty in the sight of the law and the judge. This is a judicial forgiveness. The person is seen as not subject to future punishment, but no personal relationships are restored. Then there is forgiveness within the family where the question is not one of guilty or not guilty, but is one of relationship. The question is not one of future punishment but of restored relationshp within the family.

When Jesus taught us to pray daily 'forgive us our sins' it was the second that was in question. Those sins had not separated us from God and brought us into judgment, but they had spoiled our relationship with our Father and with our brothers.

On the other hand when Paul spoke of our having received forgiveness of sins he was speaking of the first type of forgiveness (Acts 26.18; compare Acts 2.38). This was a permanent overall forgiveness which applied for all time.

1 John 1.9-10 has in mind the second type of forgiveness, forgiveness for our daily sins which hinder our walk in the light and our relationship with our Father and our brothers.

This is PROVED in 1 John 2.1-2. There he is speaking to people who 'may not sin' (not true of Gnostics), but who may sin and therefore need forgiveness. And that forgiveness, as all forgiveness is, is found in the cross. The blood of Jesus Christ, God's Son, goes on cleaning us from all sin.

 

[BenFTW]

Confession for sins is not a work of the flesh, it is a work of the faith !!!

Our Lord Jesus even gave us an example of confessing our sins/trespasses in the Lord's prayer of Matthew 6:9-13.

Instead of going against what the Lord taught we should be confirming and upholding what He taught, and the Holy Spirit that is within us can not deny Himself, therefore He can not deny the teachings the Lord gave. This thinking that what Jesus showed and commanded is not for us is a bad understanding of the word.

By Apostle John speaking on confession in 1 John 1:9 he is expounding on the Lord's prayer for forgiveness.

Why do some choose to change the context of scriptures that are plainly stating what they are saying, there is no hidden meaning in 1 John 1:9 as it clearly says what the confess for sins is for !!!

You always use a lot of exclamation points.