The Law Debacle Resolved

[PeterJens]

The goal of a religion

Every religion has a goal. You are now at point x. We will take you to point y by doing these things a, b, c, and believing these ideas.

Unless you live under an educational blackout, this is how it is taught in schools. Each faith also has its heros, its best examples.

Now somehow people here are in total denial of 90% of christianity and basically saying it is junk. You refuse to say why do this particular practise of faith and behaviour and not this other one. Now many theological colleges, denominations define clearly why they do these things, how church structure and authority works, how leadership is structured and how a new convert progresses through to a mature believer.

But for you guys this does not exist, the language in missing. It is like you belong to a denomination that has no foundation is vapour-ware with no standards. You realise Israel was one of the most structured religious societies you could get, and Jesus was a jew, but somehow you want to say all that is irrelevent and now gone?

Christianity, find faith, accept grace and just space out man, you are on a flight to heaven with no strings attached.

 

[JaumeJ]

I believe what you have said. The church is all the members of the Body of Christ with Him as the Head.

When the Apostle asked our Master about the buildings and the Temple how beautiful they were, He told them that of them there would not be one stone left upon the other before He returned.

I believe this forum, this thread, evidence this truth. The living stones of the Temple seem to be scattered among the many denominations of the world, and this is good demonstrating there are believers in all walks. The Head dand the Corner stone will return to build His Temple. I love this prophesy a lot..

Before all of this though, God is going to call His children out of the Great Whore, the mother of Whores. I believe I know just who this Great Whore is, and also wh her daughters are, and I also believe we are being called out of her now, so as not to partake in her punishment. I say, I believe I know. What I believe here is not carved in stone, but if you understand what I do, then we are in agreement.

God bless all who are in Jesus Christ, amen.

Are we not all believers in Christ, thus this is the Church, as the Church is not a building made of wood, stone, brick, metal, and so on...............

The Church is the body of believers in Christ and when gathered together to discuss His word He is here among us, and gathering does not have to be just physically present in person. As we live in the computer age and are still gathered together now speaking on His word.

This has been so construed now days to where I have even seen a couple try to say that certain things don't apply here because this is not church, referring to going to a building. We are the Church and Christ is the Head of the body !!!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The goal of a religion

Every religion has a goal. You are now at point x. We will take you to point y but doing these things a, b, c, and believing these ideas.

Unless you live under an educational blackout, this is how it is taught in schools. Each faith also has its heros, its best examples.

Now somehow people here are in total denial of 90% of christianity and basically saying it is junk. You refuse to say why do this particular practise of faith and behaviour and not this other one. Now many theological colleges, denominations define clearly why they do these things, how church structure and authority works, how leadership is structured and how a new convert progresses through to a mature believer.

But for you guys this does not exist, the language in missing. It is like you belong to a denomination that has no foundation is vapour-ware with no standards. You realise Israel was one of the most structured religious societies you could get, and Jesus was a jew, but somehow you want to say all that is irrelevent and now gone?

Christianity, find faith, accept grace and just space out man, you are on a flight to heaven with no strings attached.

religion is man saying God look at me, looke what I did and am doing..

Christianity (true) is God saying "look at me" Look what I did and can do for you.

sadly, Christianity can have its religious sect..

 

[Magenta]

Again the misconception would come from being told that Jesus was under the law therefore what He taught was only for those of the old covenant.

This is false and can completely be proven faulty by Jesus Own words, as He never said what He taught and commanded where for Jews alone. You will not find that anywhere in His teachings....

If Jesus never said, how can you claim to prove it by His own words?

Matt 15:24 has already been given...

 

[crossnote]

Pleases show me where in that post I stated somebodies name in my reply, as I was apply to you but did not say you were the one doing what I said there.

As what I said is that bad teaching says Paul taught differently or did away with what the Lord Jesus taught !!!

Paul did not teach another gospel then Jesus and even said we can only build on what He already taught.

Post 795

Please do not throw false allegations on me about the Apostle Paul because that is the first thing the Holy Spirit had me study on.

But I don't care, that's just part of the game we play; it's just that you are included in that game.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I believe what you have said. The church is all the members of the Body of Christ with Him as the Head.

When the Apostle asked our Master about the buildings and the Temple how beautiful they were, He told them that of them there would not be one stone left upon the other before He returned.

I believe this forum, this thread, evidence this truth. The living stones of the Temple seem to be scattered among the many denominations of the world, and this is good demonstrating there are believers in all walks. The Head dand the Corner stone will return to build His Temple. I love this prophesy a lot..

Before all of this though, God is going to call His children out of the Great Whore, the mother of Whores. I believe I know just who this Great Whore is, and also wh her daughters are, and I also believe we are being called out of her now, so as not to partake in her punishment. I say, I believe I know. What I believe here is not carved in stone, but if you understand what I do, then we are in agreement.

God bless all who are in Jesus Christ, amen.

Jesus is the head, And the power.

If we do not have faith in the head, we will bury our gold in the sand, because we fear him, we do not trust him.

thus we will get what we deserve.

 

[PeterJens]

How can they do nothing?

In words why do they have to do anything in your mind?
What are the guide posts to any action?

 

[KennethC]

You keep failing Bible 101.

But [Jesus] answered and said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” Matthew 15:24​

Using one scripture out of context does not prove your point and me to be wrong.

This scripture was about a woman from Canaan who was not a Jew to seek the Lord's mercy, and Jesus stating what He did here was because the Jews were to be given the message for salvation first because they are still His chosen people.

The woman's faith in Him granted her His mercy still even though she was not a Jew.

The Great Commission was a command for the disciples/Apostles to go out to all the nations (Jewish and Gentile alike) and make disciples and He told them to teach these new disciples to "observe/obey" all that He commanded.


This is what Acts 10-15 is all about in showing this great commission, and how some of the Jews grumbled and were upset with going out to Gentiles to give the good news. Lord Jesus gave these Gentile believers the Holy Spirit first before baptism to prove to the contentious Jews that Gentiles have the right to salvation to !!!

 

[KennethC]

Post 795

But I don't care, that's just part of the game we play; it's just that you are included in that game.

I went back and looked at post 795 and there was no calling anybody out directly !!!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

In words why do they have to do anything in your mind?

Well they claimed to have faith, Faith works. How can you say you have faith i somoene, And deny anything they say by your inaction. Thats like saying I trust my car to get me to work. but you never drive it, you always drive something else. Is your faith real or just words..

What are the guide posts to any action?

guide posts?

Faith and love.. If I do not have faith, I will not be shown Gods love, if I am not given love, I will never share that love and the end result, I will never do anything worthy..

 

[crossnote]

If Jesus never said, how can you claim to prove it by His own words?

Matt 15:24 has already been given...

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...twice...

 

[Magenta]

Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ puts us under God's grace.

If everybody is under God's grace already before faith in the Lord is established from hearing the word, then we would have everybody automatically saved at the cross.

I think the "we" in that case was a referring to believers, but I could be wrong.

That however is not what the bible says or teaches, so to put one under grace who does not believe (have faith) in the Lord Jesus would be a misconception.

Not we must study from here to see what that faith in the Lord entails with believing in Him, and we can clearly go by the words of the Lord Himself who says; Those who come to Him, hear what He says and does it are the believers in Him !!!

My faith is challenged constantly, since I am my own worst enemy. Thank God for grace! Lord Jesus we thank you that you laid down your life for ours, that we may rest in Your good works.

 

[JaumeJ]

There are many scriptures in the New Testament that demonstrate Jesus Christ is Master of all, including the law. In the sermon on the Mount, I believe, He says you have heard it said an eye for an eye (Law), but He said no, I tell you turn the other cheek. He amended the law in this declaration. When He forgave and defended the woman caught in adultery, even though there were many eye witness of her act, Jesus gave mercy in place of the law under which she should have been stoned to death. This and many more lessons on the law are what we who believe in obedience understand and attemt to do.

I may become annoyed with people at times, but I pray for them, and I honestly know in my heart, I want all souls saved. I know why also. So yes, Jesus teaches by His own words He was not under the law, but He obeyed it perfectly using judgment mercy and justice, and this latter is the difference that seems to have placed an enormous abyss between the children of obedience and those who believe grace excuses them from obeying Jesus Christ. God bless you Magenta...

If Jesus never said, how can you claim to prove it by His own words?

Matt 15:24 has already been given...

 

[KennethC]

If Jesus never said, how can you claim to prove it by His own words?

Matt 15:24 has already been given...

Matthew 15:24 was taken out of context as the Lord Jesus was only bringing in the lost Jews at this time, as His chosen people they were given the message for salvation first.

This scripture does not say what He taught was only for the Jews, as the Matthew 28:19-20 which is the great commission refutes what He taught was just for Jews.

 

[Magenta]

There are many scriptures in the New Testament that demonstrate Jesus Christ is Master of all, including the law. In the sermon on the Mount, I believe, He says you have heard it said an eye for an eye (Law), but He said no, I tell you turn the other cheek. He amended the law in this declaration. When He forgave and defended the woman caught in adultery, even though there were many eye witness of her act, Jesus gave mercy in place of the law under which she should have been stoned to death. This and many more lessons on the law are what we who believe in obedience understand and attemt to do.

I may become annoyed with people at times, but I pray for them, and I honestly know in my heart, I want all souls saved. I know why also. So yes, Jesus teaches by His own words He was not under the law, but He obeyed it perfectly using judgment mercy and justice, and this latter is the difference that seems to have placed an enormous abyss between the children of obedience and those who believe grace excuses them from obeying Jesus Christ. God bless you Magenta...

Thank you, JaumeJ, and may God continue to richly bless you as well

Yes, Jesus pointed continually to the deeper meaning of the laws, as the letter was upheld while the Spirit was eschewed. Did they not also add to what was given to them, putting a hedge around the law as it were, to help prevent them from falling into error?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Using one scripture out of context does not prove your point and me to be wrong.

This scripture was about a woman from Canaan who was not a Jew to seek the Lord's mercy, and Jesus stating what He did here was because the Jews were to be given the message for salvation first because they are still His chosen people.

The woman's faith in Him granted her His mercy still even though she was not a Jew.

The Great Commission was a command for the disciples/Apostles to go out to all the nations (Jewish and Gentile alike) and make disciples and He told them to teach these new disciples to "observe/obey"[/B] all that He commanded.


This is what Acts 10-15[/B] is all about in showing this great commission, and how some of the Jews grumbled and were upset with going out to Gentiles to give the good news. Lord Jesus gave these Gentile believers the Holy Spirit first before baptism to prove to the contentious Jews that Gentiles have the right to salvation to !!!

Then let's the matter be settled out of the mouth of two witnesses:

Jesus sent out these twelve, instructing them saying, “Do not go on the road to the Gentiles, and do not enter into a city of the Samaritans, but go instead to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And as you are going, preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven has come near!’ Matthew 10:5-7​

 

[PeterJens]

Well they claimed to have faith, Faith works.

In your mind you gave actions by believers a name "faith works". But what is the purpose of these works? Do the believers need to change, to work anything out?

How do they know when they are going off the rails?

 

[Magenta]

Matthew 15:24 was taken out of context as the Lord Jesus was only bringing in the lost Jews at this time, as His chosen people they were given the message for salvation first.

This scripture does not say what He taught was only for the Jews, as the Matthew 28:19-20 which is the great commission refutes what He taught was just for Jews.

Jesus also said there were others He came for...

"I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd."

But the point was you cannot claim to prove something by Jesus' own words if He did not in actual fact explicitly state anything on the matter, as you yourself acknowledged.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Matthew 15:24 was taken out of context as the Lord Jesus was only bringing in the lost Jews at this time, as His chosen people they were given the message for salvation first.

This scripture does not say what He taught was only for the Jews, as the Matthew 28:19-20 which is the great commission refutes what He taught was just for Jews.

Matthew 28:19-20 was said after the resurrection. While he was in the flesh his mission was solely to Israel, and everything he said must be interpreted in that context.

 

[crossnote]

Matthew 15:24 was taken out of context as the Lord Jesus was only bringing in the lost Jews at this time, as His chosen people they were given the message for salvation first.

This scripture does not say what He taught was only for the Jews, as the Matthew 28:19-20 which is the great commission refutes what He taught was just for Jews.

So, have you sold all, given to the poor before you started following Jesus?