The Law Debacle Resolved
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Continue to believe how you wish and trying to twist what another said when they said nothing of the sort !!!
The Word of God clearly says faith comes from hearing the Word of God (Romans 10:17), this means after hearing the word a person trust in what it says and puts their faith in the Lord.
This faith in the Lord puts us under God's grace, if everybody is under God's grace before they have faith in the Lord then everybody is saved. That however is not true !!!
Lord Jesus Himself showed what a believer in Him looks like, and nowhere in the bible does it say a hearer only is saved !!! It shows both by Jesus and James that a hearer only has no foundation in Him and is deceived !!!
The Word of God clearly says faith comes from hearing the Word of God (Romans 10:17), this means after hearing the word a person trust in what it says and puts their faith in the Lord.
This faith in the Lord puts us under God's grace, if everybody is under God's grace before they have faith in the Lord then everybody is saved. That however is not true !!!
Lord Jesus Himself showed what a believer in Him looks like, and nowhere in the bible does it say a hearer only is saved !!! It shows both by Jesus and James that a hearer only has no foundation in Him and is deceived !!!
AMEN, Gods love covered all of mine, Sadly it was with the blood of his son
Sorry, I see the Gospel of grace laid out clearly in John and the Epistles, but the Gospel of the Kingdom laid out in Mt, Mk, Lu.
Although the Gospel was enacted in all 4 Gospels and explained in the Epistles.
You keep assuming that what Jesus taught His Apostles for forty days AFTER His resurrection was NOT what they taught in their Epistles.
And if it was, then salvation is a work of God from beginning to end.
Although the Gospel was enacted in all 4 Gospels and explained in the Epistles.
You keep assuming that what Jesus taught His Apostles for forty days AFTER His resurrection was NOT what they taught in their Epistles.
And if it was, then salvation is a work of God from beginning to end.
Just a thought...
Why would Jesus spend 40 days teaching them after the resurrection when He had just spent three years with them?
Acts 1:3 (KJV) To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:
Why would Jesus spend 40 days teaching them after the resurrection when He had just spent three years with them?
Acts 1:3 (KJV) To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:
I will translate this simply. Though we obey the Lord it does not justify us before Him. Ofcourse. Even when we are face to face with Jesus, he is still our righteousness, our perfection, the source of our life.
Jesus does not have to prove his trustworthyness to me, he died for me, he rescued me, he knows all about me, I just need to listen and obey, put my faith in him and do faith works, and then I will arrive at the next point in our walk.
You talk about faith, the testing of faith, and not loosing it so staying saved. In my language it would be continuing to talk to the Lord with a believers approach.
So it sounds like we agree, so amen, welcome brother.
Jesus does not have to prove his trustworthyness to me, he died for me, he rescued me, he knows all about me, I just need to listen and obey, put my faith in him and do faith works, and then I will arrive at the next point in our walk.
You talk about faith, the testing of faith, and not loosing it so staying saved. In my language it would be continuing to talk to the Lord with a believers approach.
So it sounds like we agree, so amen, welcome brother.
He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.”
Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures. He told them, “This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, and repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. You are witnesses of these things.”
Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures. He told them, “This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, and repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. You are witnesses of these things.”
Jesus is the cornerstone of the whole revelation through Israel to the whole world. His ministry was to declare the final chapter in that revelation. After the message was complete, it was to the whole world. So Jesus's focus was always on the Jews because that was the context. Until the gospel was finished, death and resurrection, the picture was only visible via Israel and the law and the prophets.
He always knew this context was everything, until the curtain was torn in two access to God was only through faith in God and obedience to Jewish law.
He always knew this context was everything, until the curtain was torn in two access to God was only through faith in God and obedience to Jewish law.
As I partially understand it,
Jesus began preaching repentance and the Gospel of the Kingdom (for the King was amongst them) and it's principles.
Later in His ministry the Jewish leadership had rejected that message thus rejecting their King/Messiah.
He then began teaching in parables and mainly to His disciples including his approaching passion. They couldn't receive it as it went against their preconceived ideas of the Messiah.
After His death He opened their understanding and that is what we have written in the Epistles.
Jesus began preaching repentance and the Gospel of the Kingdom (for the King was amongst them) and it's principles.
Later in His ministry the Jewish leadership had rejected that message thus rejecting their King/Messiah.
He then began teaching in parables and mainly to His disciples including his approaching passion. They couldn't receive it as it went against their preconceived ideas of the Messiah.
After His death He opened their understanding and that is what we have written in the Epistles.
Jesus was very keen on the disciples not changing the events. Jesus had to die, and his disciples had to become his friends.
One year, too short, two years, ok but only gone over the passover twice, 3 times perfect, just long enough to really change their lives, not too long to cause too many complications with revolutionary takeover of Jerusalem which many wanted. You realise in one week the disciples went from followers to the only representatives on earth of the gospel, to the first witnesses and at the cost of their lives, the beginning of the Kingdom on earth.
You got to admire Gods timing, and patience. We would go for longer because so much was a stake, and we wonder why the disciples were so slow, when ofcourse the teacher was God, I mean, no. He was just a wise guy who seemed cool. As long as everything went ok, why not tag along. No one thought, bam, the authorities will put us on trial, take everything we have and kill us just for following a teacher and healer. I mean these guys are two a penny. But maybe he is different, no it could not be me who is talking to the Father, God in human form. What would you do if Jesus turned up on your doorstep?
You would think it was a joke at first, I mean, impossible....
One year, too short, two years, ok but only gone over the passover twice, 3 times perfect, just long enough to really change their lives, not too long to cause too many complications with revolutionary takeover of Jerusalem which many wanted. You realise in one week the disciples went from followers to the only representatives on earth of the gospel, to the first witnesses and at the cost of their lives, the beginning of the Kingdom on earth.
You got to admire Gods timing, and patience. We would go for longer because so much was a stake, and we wonder why the disciples were so slow, when ofcourse the teacher was God, I mean, no. He was just a wise guy who seemed cool. As long as everything went ok, why not tag along. No one thought, bam, the authorities will put us on trial, take everything we have and kill us just for following a teacher and healer. I mean these guys are two a penny. But maybe he is different, no it could not be me who is talking to the Father, God in human form. What would you do if Jesus turned up on your doorstep?
You would think it was a joke at first, I mean, impossible....
Yes the events had to go down as was foretold by the prophets. That’s settled.
Now, just moving into the realm of speculation, what would have transpired if the vast majority of Jews including their leaders had submitted themselves to their true Messiah Yeshua? The death of Christ would not have happened, the Kingdom set up in Israel, immediate Millennium and no mystery called the Church...the Body of Christ, no rapture, etc.
The death of Christ brought in a whole new twist to things although foretold.
Now, just moving into the realm of speculation, what would have transpired if the vast majority of Jews including their leaders had submitted themselves to their true Messiah Yeshua? The death of Christ would not have happened, the Kingdom set up in Israel, immediate Millennium and no mystery called the Church...the Body of Christ, no rapture, etc.
The death of Christ brought in a whole new twist to things although foretold.
Thank You. This is how I see it also!!!!!
With the salvation we already have, God is busy at work .
Philippians 2:12-13 (KJV)
12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
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