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Mitspa
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The truth is going to offend people ..real biblical grace is going to offend the legalist..real biblical morality in Christ is going to offend sinners who don't want to give up their sinful ways.
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I don't really get why all this disparaging language etc. I think being gay or Lesbian and a Christian is a oxemoron ( might be spelled wrong.............as some things are just wrong)
Why can we no longer celebrateour differences. Men are better than woman in some ways and women are better than men in some ways. This is where the feminist rub is and is where the super fems are trying to usurp the instincts of men and still maintain their own instincts and identity (while denying ours). Even now in 2015 these women instincts have become very rusty and partially ignored. Celebrating differences makes for very good ideas and just plain common sense. Men are better at leadership, military wise, holding things together, in induction reasoning and problem solving etc. Why can not women accept this and focus on what's natural for them, except for being schemers. Men, IF we do not wake up and no longer put up with this bulldozing of male hood we will find that women have destroyed themselves and are no longer valued near even what they are now in 2015. If we don't wake-up we will slowly become a nation of P ussy men and femmans who do not even know who they are or what to do. When this happens our society as a going concern and a nation with the ability to protect ourselves will end...the American experience will end without even a whimper .
One can parallel an individual phyco--sexual development with the development of society such as ours. We used to be young adults on the way to becoming mature adults. Now, our nation has reverted to adolescence again fraught with confusion and growing pains. Like adolescent we tend to be selfish, full of ourselves and a feeling of invincibility. As an adolescent we are in love with own thoughts and many times ignore anything higher than themselves.
Just stop wanting everything you want and then making it OK. Of course it is not genetic question. It is your choice and you will have to live with it I KNOW this believe me...been there, done that.
Why can we no longer celebrateour differences. Men are better than woman in some ways and women are better than men in some ways. This is where the feminist rub is and is where the super fems are trying to usurp the instincts of men and still maintain their own instincts and identity (while denying ours). Even now in 2015 these women instincts have become very rusty and partially ignored. Celebrating differences makes for very good ideas and just plain common sense. Men are better at leadership, military wise, holding things together, in induction reasoning and problem solving etc. Why can not women accept this and focus on what's natural for them, except for being schemers. Men, IF we do not wake up and no longer put up with this bulldozing of male hood we will find that women have destroyed themselves and are no longer valued near even what they are now in 2015. If we don't wake-up we will slowly become a nation of P ussy men and femmans who do not even know who they are or what to do. When this happens our society as a going concern and a nation with the ability to protect ourselves will end...the American experience will end without even a whimper .
One can parallel an individual phyco--sexual development with the development of society such as ours. We used to be young adults on the way to becoming mature adults. Now, our nation has reverted to adolescence again fraught with confusion and growing pains. Like adolescent we tend to be selfish, full of ourselves and a feeling of invincibility. As an adolescent we are in love with own thoughts and many times ignore anything higher than themselves.
Just stop wanting everything you want and then making it OK. Of course it is not genetic question. It is your choice and you will have to live with it I KNOW this believe me...been there, done that.
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hopesprings
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I actually believe homosexuality is a mental disorder. For most gays, you can see them trying to take on their perceived characteristics of the opposite sex. I've hung out with a lot gays and I can say that male gays start to talk like high school cheerleaders most of the time and many butch lesbians tend to like "manly" things like sports and cars because that's what they perceive as being masculine.
I believe the reason why homosexuality isn't looked into as a mental disorder is because it "doesn't hurt" themselves or other people, unlike schizophrenia, bi-polar disorder, or clinical depression. Gay people are often proud of being gay and identify themselves with the disorder, so there is no demand for research or treatment, also unlike those other disorders. Nobody is proud and happy to be clinically depressed or bi-polar.
That's just my take on it though. Could be wrong.
I believe the reason why homosexuality isn't looked into as a mental disorder is because it "doesn't hurt" themselves or other people, unlike schizophrenia, bi-polar disorder, or clinical depression. Gay people are often proud of being gay and identify themselves with the disorder, so there is no demand for research or treatment, also unlike those other disorders. Nobody is proud and happy to be clinically depressed or bi-polar.
That's just my take on it though. Could be wrong.
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Mitspa
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Look guys its sin...I started sin at a very young age as well...The more I acted upon it the more it defined who I was and made me a slave to it. I had to repent and even to this day I have I have to resist the temptation to go back to that sin...there is no lust that a gay person has to be gay than the normal lust any person has, unless you consider some sort or demonic control. If your saying that as a person gives themselves over to a sin it develops into a mental disorder ...I could probably agree in part with that.
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Mitspa
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If some one came on this forum and started a thread about how they could not stop commiting adultery or sleeping with young attractive girls ...you guys would just tell them the truth. The reason some of you give special consideration for this perversion is because you have been deceived by the PC of this world....That's it
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BarlyGurl
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Actually... being a homosexual WAS considered a mental disorder for a very long time in Europe and the US until about 80 years ago...and the principal DOES persist in some clinical fields... tho unpopular.
Yes, just like having sex with a goat is a choice 
Who or what we jump into the sack with is a choice. Some attractions or unnatural lust were labelled by God to be perversions. Whether we feel we were born gay or not, we are encouraged not to indulge in certain interactions. So imo, claiming to be born gay is not an excuse, no more than claiming to be born an alcoholic.
Who or what we jump into the sack with is a choice. Some attractions or unnatural lust were labelled by God to be perversions. Whether we feel we were born gay or not, we are encouraged not to indulge in certain interactions. So imo, claiming to be born gay is not an excuse, no more than claiming to be born an alcoholic.
No, it isn't. Being gay isn't a sin just like being a kleptomaniac isn't a sin. Committing gay acts is a sin. Stealing is a sin. It is not a sin to simply have a disorder.
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Richie_2uk
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No its not a choice, though the choice is more of a temptation, However the act or practice of gay, that's a sin.
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Mitspa
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If a disorder is caused because of or as a fruit or certain sin..then you can call it what ever you want, from a biblical perspective its sin... Yes being a thief is a sin as well... this disorder talk don't fool God, it might work in the PC world but God is not mocked by such nonsense.
I wonder if much of the tension in this thread stems from an unnecessary conflation of concepts. If I'm picking up the gist of the discussion correctly, we generally agree that homosexual acts are sinful. There is debate on whether the motivations behind those acts are also sinful. The temptation to sin is not, by itself, sin.
There is also discussion on how to minister the gospel to a person who professes homosexual preferences, tendencies, or history. Here's where I agree with Mitspa: the truth must be told. However, the truth must be told in love, and that is where we as Christians often fail. If we are so busy hating the sin (rightly) that the sinner perceives the hatred as personal, we're doing something wrong. We need to love people to repentance, not bludgeon them into avoiding Christ. Loving them includes telling them the truth about sin and judgment, but it also includes affirming their personhood, their identity as the (tarnished) image of God, their potential to be joined to His family, and especially that they too are loved by our heavenly Father. After all, isn't the Gospel 'good news'?
There is also discussion on how to minister the gospel to a person who professes homosexual preferences, tendencies, or history. Here's where I agree with Mitspa: the truth must be told. However, the truth must be told in love, and that is where we as Christians often fail. If we are so busy hating the sin (rightly) that the sinner perceives the hatred as personal, we're doing something wrong. We need to love people to repentance, not bludgeon them into avoiding Christ. Loving them includes telling them the truth about sin and judgment, but it also includes affirming their personhood, their identity as the (tarnished) image of God, their potential to be joined to His family, and especially that they too are loved by our heavenly Father. After all, isn't the Gospel 'good news'?
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Mitspa
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I would generally agree that we don't make a point to hunt gays down or single them out in a harmful way..but what we have going on in our society..in the church and even on this forum is an attempt by many to bring the PC values of the world into the truth of Christ and even to excuse and justify sinful behavior that God clearly will never accept.
Why do you say that? How is me saying that gays have a disorder that causes them to like the same sex, the same thing as me saying it's ok to commit homosexual acts? There is no connection. I'm not saying it's ok to for people of the same sex to have sexual relations. I'm saying it's NOT SINFUL for a GAY MAN OR WOMAN to live a life a celibacy even though they still feel attracted to the same sex. In no way is that excusing sin. That's called righteousness.
Feeling attracted to the same sex isn't sin. Giving into those feelings (lust, physical acts) is. nit-picking everything is what the Pharisees do, not us. NO WHERE in the Bible does it say that it is sinful for a man or woman to be attracted to the same sex. Stay biblical and away from radicalism.
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Mitspa
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Well it is in fact sin...Jesus said that its what comes from a mans heart that defiles a man... Now in Christ we know He has patience with us and mercy...but the fact is that a person who has these desires are just like the fellow that desires another mans wife or commits adultery in their heart... Now that's the bible...and your PC ideas are not going to help you on the Day you stand before the Lord.
Its not our brains that make us act feminine and masculine. Like, girls dont wear makeup and buy everything in pink because their brain makes them, they do it because they enjoy acting that way. Same with guys, its not a mental thing, you act in a way thats pleasing to you. And the age isnt important, I enjoyed acting that ways as a child. I did it because it was pleasing to me. But I can choose to ignore things that are pleasing to me if they go against what God wants, if I worry less about happiness in earthly living and being with God.
I agree, its not a sin to be tempted, but being tempted and letting yourself believe that someone of the same gender is "attractive" is not the same thing. Christ tells us that a man who looks at another woman with lustful eyes has already committed adultery, its safe to apply this with homosexuality. Finding someone of the same gender attractive is homosexuality.
Dont let the secular world confuse you with this, and lead you to believe that God is evil because He hates those who are tempted. You DO have the power to say no to those feelings, if that idea comes into your head, say, a man sees another man and the feelings of attraction comes to him, he can shake it out and say no, and keep to Gods word.
This is what the secular people dont get (or rather dont WANT to get), they just keep going on and on about not being able to help it. Its the exact same thing we teach children with drugs. Just say no
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Tommy2
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Can you please explain what you mean by "desire" a little more? I thought Jesus was talking about lust. As far back as I can remember having any sexual feelings, I've had same-sex attractions that I never asked for, never wanted, and would get rid of tomorrow if I could. Yet sometime this week I'll probably be walking down the street, look up, and see a guy I'll feel an instant attraction for. As long as I don't act on it or spend time fantasizing about it, I don't believe that is sin. Do you agree or disagree?