Catholic vs Protestant debate

[dallasb78]

No, friend, faith in Jesus is the surest way. In fact, its the only way. God's gifts are irrevocable, and anyone who has faith in Jesus -- who believes in their heart and confesses with their lips, has salvation.

Of course Jesus is the surest way. But He provides the gift of Himself through the Sacraments.

 

[dallasb78]

And let's not forget, God doesn't like divorce, but if you pay the Catholic Church money, they will annul your marriage. Somehow giving money makes your marriage nonexistent. Funny how that works.

You are paying to have the marriage reviewed, not the annulment itself. It isn't granted in all cases.

 

[Utah]

Of course Jesus is the surest way. But He provides the gift of Himself through the Sacraments.

Jesus is the ONLY way.

He provided the gift of Himself through love of God and obedience to His will by going to the Cross.

 

[Utah]

You are paying to have the marriage reviewed, not the annulment itself. It isn't granted in all cases.

What's to review? You were either married or you weren't. You were either divorced or you weren't.

Come on, man!

 

[pottersclay]

​plus the pope wares a big hat (nothing to do with anything but just saying...)

 

[Magenta]

What say you to the Scripture verse I provided?

You provided none to support the dogmas, since none exist.

Absolutely agree on what Our Lord said. "No one comes through the Father except through me."

What will you do when the next ex cathedra decree proclaims Mary as co-mediatrix?(https://www.ewtn.com/library/MARY/coredemedadv.htm) Neither is her perpetual virginity supported by Scripture, which explicitly states that Jesus had brothers and sisters. One site I just looked at proclaims that the dogma of Divine Motherhood is generally accepted by all Christian denominations. I seriously doubt that.

 

[Ahwatukee]

If Jesus is God and Mary is His mother than Mary is the "Mother of God". Its just that simple. Catholics are not saying that she is greater than God.

That is wrong logic. Mary was the mother of Jesus in his humanity. He existed in eternity with God the Father before he arrived in the flesh. Mother of God is an erroneous term. What many do not know is that, Mary is not who is in view here. When Constantine deemed Christianity as the official religion of Rome, along with that came the pantheon of god's that were being worshiped in Rome. Those god's got transferred over to the names of the saints, which they now worship and pray to, as well as angels. The worship of the queen of heaven stemming from Babylon as Semiramis was transferred over to Mary and mother and son worship stemming from semiramis and Tammuz, Isis and Horus, et al, was transferred over to Mary and Jesus. She is deemed as being full of grace, co-mediator, is prayed to, deemed as sinless and assumed up into heaven Yet, scripture is clear that there is one mediator between God and man, which is Christ Jesus. For he and he alone is the One who shed his blood for us. According to scripture, everyone else, including Mary, is a sinner. Now, not to take anything away from Mary, for she was truly a blessed woman used of God to bring Christ into the world and as she said, "All generations will call me blessed."

"And I saw a mighty angel proclaiming in a loud voice, “Who is worthy to break the seals and open the scroll?” But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth could open the scroll or even look inside it. I wept and wept because no one was found who was worthy to open the scroll or look inside. Then one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals "

Regarding the above, if Mary was who Roman Catholicism claims she is, she would have been able to raise her hand being worthy to break the seals and open the scroll. But, as we can see from scripture above, no one is worthy to open the scroll but the Lamb, Jesus Christ.

At the on-set of the church, Satan was having believers killed, but that only caused the numbers of believers to grow. So, he changed his strategy by having Constantine deem Christianity as the official religion of Rome, which began to dilute the true church, which is what we now see in Roman Catholicism.

 

[maxwel]

Understanding Martin Luther's Authority:
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Why the VATICAN is too Corrupt & Vile to Qualify as an Authority on Godly Matters


#2
Frontline (for PBS) Does Full Length Documentary on Recent Scandals & Corruption of the Vatican.
See original PBS page, with video, Here:
Secrets of the Vatican | FRONTLINE | PBS
See Transcript Here:
Transcript | Secrets of the Vatican | FRONTLINE | PBS


[video=youtube;LsjHKXMCSJU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsjHKXMCSJU[/video]

 

[dallasb78]

If it wasn't, God wouldn't have allowed to be here. If we didn't have his word and couldn't trust in it, then we would have no instruction manual to live by and we would not be able to know the nature of God or his will for us. It can't be "some of it is the truth" and "some of it isn't." It is either the true word of God or none of it is!

"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God[SUP]a[/SUP] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work." (2 Tim.3:16)

"Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things. For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit. (2 Pet.1:20)

"I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the gospel I preached is not of human origin. I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ. (Gal.1:11)

"So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,' spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand—then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.



"Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true."

I'm like a Berean, I study the scriptures, therefore, if the pope or anyone else proclaims another gospel other than the one that I am reading about, then they are teaching a different gospel and are therefore, accursed. Scripture gets the final say.

Let me put it to you this way: If One person who claims to have the Holy Spirit, reads the Bible and is lead to believe in OSAS and another who also claims to be lead by the Holy Spirit, is lead to believe that one can lose salvation then how can we tell which is the right interpretation? And this is just one of the smaller Biblical issues.

 

[Kefa54]

This debate is like 1965 +/- a few years old. Can we move on and just be in the Body of Christ.

Kefa

 

[dallasb78]

What's to review? You were either married or you weren't. You were either divorced or you weren't.

Come on, man!

If the marriage wasn't consummated or if it wasn't a validly ordained marriage, ie "not Sacramental", then it will be annulled. There are other reasons also I think.

 

[Magenta]

2 Thess. 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

Scripture does not teach the immaculate conception of Mary, nor her assumption, nor her perpetual virginity, nor motherhood to all humanity, nor did any of the apostles. They are ALL things your church made up to elevate Mary to goddess status. One of your popes even terribly misread Scripture to make Mary Magdalene a prostitute, which again, nothing in Scripture supports!

 

[KJV1611]

Hi all, I recently converted to the Catholic Faith from non-practicing christian, and am interested in a debate with protestants regarding the true Church. I would like the debate to many focus on the issue of authority and where it comes from, but i am willing to argue any point.

To Begin,

From who did Martin Luther get the authority to challenge the Catholic Church on doctrine?

There's no authority needed to challenge the Catholic Church, anyone can pick up a bible and do that and should do that. Christianity is the exoteric religion of the church to the masses while Egyptian sun God worship is the esoteric and true religion of the church.

This why the Catholic Jesus is always depicted with a SUN disk behind his head. This is also why Catholics worship and pray to Mary... she's not really Mary, she's Isis the queen of heaven.

So to sum it up. The Catholic church presents Osiris to the masses by the name of Jesus and Isis by the name of Mary. All a Catholic has to do is read the bible and it becomes crystal clear that their Jesus and Mary are not the same Jesus and Mary of the bible.

 

[dallasb78]

That is wrong logic. Mary was the mother of Jesus in his humanity. He existed in eternity with God the Father before he arrived in the flesh. Mother of God is an erroneous term. What many do not know is that, Mary is not who is in view here. When Constantine deemed Christianity as the official religion of Rome, along with that came the pantheon of god's that were being worshiped in Rome. Those god's got transferred over to the names of the saints, which they now worship and pray to, as well as angels. The worship of the queen of heaven stemming from Babylon as Semiramis was transferred over to Mary and mother and son worship stemming from semiramis and Tammuz, Isis and Horus, et al, was transferred over to Mary and Jesus. She is deemed as being full of grace, co-mediator, is prayed to, deemed as sinless and assumed up into heaven Yet, scripture is clear that there is one mediator between God and man, which is Christ Jesus. For he and he alone is the One who shed his blood for us. According to scripture, everyone else, including Mary, is a sinner. Now, not to take anything away from Mary, for she was truly a blessed woman used of God to bring Christ into the world and as she said, "All generations will call me blessed."

"And I saw a mighty angel proclaiming in a loud voice, “Who is worthy to break the seals and open the scroll?” But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth could open the scroll or even look inside it. I wept and wept because no one was found who was worthy to open the scroll or look inside. Then one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals "

Regarding the above, if Mary was who Roman Catholicism claims she is, she would have been able to raise her hand being worthy to break the seals and open the scroll. But, as we can see from scripture above, no one is worthy to open the scroll but the Lamb, Jesus Christ.

At the on-set of the church, Satan was having believers killed, but that only caused the numbers of believers to grow. So, he changed his strategy by having Constantine deem Christianity as the official religion of Rome, which began to dilute the true church, which is what we now see in Roman Catholicism.

If Mary were only the mother of Jesus's human body than Jesus wouldn't be fully human. Take this into consideration: The Word of God as given to Moses was contained in "The Ark of the Covenant" This ark was considered to be without blemish. So much so that God struck dead anyone who touched it. In the same way Mary is the Ark that carried Jesus, without any sin. But only sinless though God's Grace, not through her own effort.

 

[maxwel]

Understanding Martin Luther's Authority:
-------------------------------------------------
Why the VATICAN is too Corrupt & Vile to Qualify as an Authority on Godly Matters


#3
Vatican Bank - Involved in Money Laundering, Fake Securities, Smuggling, and More.

Article Here:
God's Bankers: financial scandals at the Vatican - Business Insider

 

[Magenta]

The popes are only infallible on maters of Faith and Morals when speaking "Ex Cathedra", which actually doesn't happen all that often.

They have nothing to support their proclamations but fanciful thinking, since Scripture certainly does not promote what they proclaim as fact. In fact, Scripture often states contrary to what the RCC states as truth. It's a good thing they do not claim to be infallible all the time when they can so easily be shown to be wrong. Unfortunately, many people do not take correction well, including Roman Catholics. They like the pomp and circumstance, and the showy displays of wealth and power, despite all the corruption in the upper ranks. Nothing at all like the first century churches.

 

[dallasb78]

Scripture does not teach the immaculate conception of Mary, nor her assumption, nor her perpetual virginity, nor motherhood to all humanity, nor did any of the apostles. They are ALL things your church made up to elevate Mary to goddess status. One of your popes even terribly misread Scripture to make Mary Magdalene a prostitute, which again, nothing in Scripture supports!

All these things, other than she being a goddess, have been taught by the Church since before Constantine because only the Catholic church has links to that far back. The Church fathers were all catholic and passed this doctrine down through the centuries.

 

[KJV1611]

They have nothing to support their proclamations but fanciful thinking, since Scripture certainly does not promote what they proclaim as fact. In fact, Scripture often states contrary to what the RCC states as truth. It's a good thing they do not claim to be infallible all the time when they can so easily be shown to be wrong. Unfortunately, many people do not take correction well, including Roman Catholics. They like the pomp and circumstance, and the showy displays of wealth and power, despite all the corruption in the upper ranks. Nothing at all like the first century churches.

And they wear Dagon fish hats!

 

[dallasb78]

There's no authority needed to challenge the Catholic Church, anyone can pick up a bible and do that and should do that. Christianity is the exoteric religion of the church to the masses while Egyptian sun God worship is the esoteric and true religion of the church.

This why the Catholic Jesus is always depicted with a SUN disk behind his head. This is also why Catholics worship and pray to Mary... she's not really Mary, she's Isis the queen of heaven.

So to sum it up. The Catholic church presents Osiris to the masses by the name of Jesus and Isis by the name of Mary. All a Catholic has to do is read the bible and it becomes crystal clear that their Jesus and Mary are not the same Jesus and Mary of the bible.

I have read the Bible many times, as have many Catholics through the Centuries. The problem with Protestantism is that different people with the same sincere love of God can read the same Bible and get two different doctrines. This only leads to confusion.

 

[blondieindahouse]

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