Is the Devil bound right now...?

[VCO]

VCO first of all I did not do that quote you responded to in Post #1327, as things got jumbled up there and what you were responding to was actually what Valiant said.

As for Post #1335 the quote you are responding to there I did write, and I was in the Catholic church for 5 years and took the RCIA classes. I am well aware what the Catholic church teaches which is why I left after only 5 years do to the many things taught that did not align with the scriptures.

As for 1 John 2:19 that passage is speaking of forms of the spirit of antichrist, not former believers who fell away do to hardships or troubles in their lives. The preceding verse 2:18 shows this, and it is a bad misconception to apply this scripture to all people who do not continue in the faith.

As for Matthew 7:13-23 I like this passage as well because it is one of many that gets rejected or the context twisted by others to make it say other than what it does. The reason for this passage is another that shows that a true believer in Him will be recognized by how they carry themselves and treat others (fruit).

It disproves a person can live a continuous sinful lifestyle of never repenting and still go to heaven as some teach today.

God bless and keep growing in the faith.

Sorry for the misunderstanding. Personally, I think the Narrow Gate of what constitutes a genuine born again Christian and one who in reality came through the Broad Gate of easy believism (just acknowledge who HE IS), is a MUCH NARROWER GATE THAN MOST THINK IT IS.

YES, one must have been convicted in our hearts of our own sinfulness by the Holy Spirit, and have Genuinely Repented.

YES, one must have genuinely out of love Received Him as LORD, which means surrendered to HIM as MASTER.

YES, one's lifestyle WILL reflect a ongoing lifestyle of striving to obey HIM out of LOVE FOR HIM.

NO, we are not perfect, but obedience to HIM is certainly the DIRECTION of our Christian Walk, and when we meet HIM in the Air, then we shall be PERFECT.

I think you are wrong about 1 John 2:19 because of this verse:

Jude 1:24 (NASB)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, and to make you stand in the presence of His glory blameless with great joy,


AND

John 14:15 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.

AND

1 John 2:4 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] The one who says, "I have come to know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him;

 

[Cassian]

Correction, I referred to the "Many who call themselves Christians". The Same MANY who are crying "LORD LORD" when HE Tells them, "I NEVER KNEW YOU."

Every single person being discussed in the following verses, call themselves Christians, but ONLY A FEW REALLY ARE BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS who are saved.

Matthew 7:13-14 (NKJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

Matthew 7:20-23 (NKJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
[SUP]23 [/SUP] And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'

Matthew 22:14 (NKJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] For many​ are called, but few are chosen."


THESE TRUTHS, have always been in plain sight in our Bibles.
Why is it so few want to hear it?
Why is it so few Pastors want to teach it?

The FEW are those who are truly born again, and they are only those who out of the pure motive of genuine LOVE for Jesus Christ, have willingly surrendered complete control of their lives to Jesus Christ as LORD, which means MASTER.

John 3:3 (NKJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

Seems like another self convicting statement. You are the one who cannot produce the evidence that the so-called dispensational premillennial theory was and is the meaning of scripture.
Instead of addressing the issue you need to obfuscate with being "born again" which is irrelevant to the issue.

 

[popeye]

Seems like another self convicting statement. You are the one who cannot produce the evidence that the so-called dispensational premillennial theory was and is the meaning of scripture.
Instead of addressing the issue you need to obfuscate with being "born again" which is irrelevant to the issue.

Since history is your supposed forte,when did the AC reign and require all inhabitants of earth to take a mark?

And the flying scorpions? The 200 million man army? Hailstones of fire? Tribulation such as the world has NEVER SEEN OR EVER WILL SEE AGAIN?

Will await your CONVINCING answer

 

[VCO]

Seems like another self convicting statement. You are the one who cannot produce the evidence that the so-called dispensational premillennial theory was and is the meaning of scripture.
Instead of addressing the issue you need to obfuscate with being "born again" which is irrelevant to the issue.

Cassian, I explained to you before, one CANNOT gain spiritual understanding of the verses without becoming born again first. THAT MAKES BORN AGAIN VERY RELEVANT.

1 Corinthians 2:13-14 (NIV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.

 

[Cassian]

Since history is your supposed forte,when did the AC reign and require all inhabitants of earth to take a mark?

And the flying scorpions? The 200 million man army? Hailstones of fire? Tribulation such as the world has NEVER SEEN OR EVER WILL SEE AGAIN?

Will await your CONVINCING answer

It was not written to be literal. There is your first mistake.
Secondly, you could easily prove your view with some historical evidence. After all Revelation and scripture was given a long time ago. So, if the view is actually scriptural it would have been believed from the beginning. Yet, history shows that the Church declared "Chiliasm" heretical 1700 years ago and the view most are espousing was generated just 200 years ago with the most popularized only in the last 50 years or so.
How can that be scriptural? Did the Holy Spirit forget something in the beginning? Did the Holy Spirit lie about giving revelation in this age to individual men for private interpretation?

 

[Cassian]

Cassian, I explained to you before, one CANNOT gain spiritual understanding of the verses without becoming born again first. THAT MAKES BORN AGAIN VERY RELEVANT.

1 Corinthians 2:13-14 (NIV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.

It applies to you. Where is your evidence that the Holy Spirit gave as part of Revelation this dispensational premillennial view. Nothing in history confirms that it was ever part of the revelation given by the Holy Spirit. In fact it was condemned. You and those who have developed (ing) this view is not of the Holy Spirit. That can easily be discerned. But discerned ONLY by those who are Spirit led. Led as the Holy Spirit promised in scripture that He would guide the Church into all Truth and preserve His Revelation unified as He is unified with the Father.

The Holy Spirit is not a purveyor of confusion and does not give man new meanings to what He originally gave in the beginning. He gave it once and has preserve it unchanged for 2000 years. History is the authentic witness to the veracity of the Holy Spirit. False teachings are easily discerned today, after2000 years, that if it was not from the beginning it is a false teaching.

 

[popeye]

It was not written to be literal. There is your first mistake.
Secondly, you could easily prove your view with some historical evidence. After all Revelation and scripture was given a long time ago. So, if the view is actually scriptural it would have been believed from the beginning. Yet, history shows that the Church declared "Chiliasm" heretical 1700 years ago and the view most are espousing was generated just 200 years ago with the most popularized only in the last 50 years or so.
How can that be scriptural? Did the Holy Spirit forget something in the beginning? Did the Holy Spirit lie about giving revelation in this age to individual men for private interpretation?

Oh,I get it. There are no alligators in the lake because a thousand years ago some scientist that is akin to God himself said so and certified his findings.

Therefore since you BELIEVE IT, you assert it,but you never seen it personally and when we ask you to dive in you change the subject.

 

[prove-all]

How can that be scriptural? Did the Holy Spirit forget something in the beginning? Did the Holy Spirit lie about giving revelation in this age to individual men for private interpretation?

the bible tells us that some understanding would be unlocked in this end time only.

But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book,
even to [the time of] the end: many shall run to and fro,
and knowledge shall be increased.


could say the internet and man going to space quilify, could this key maybe.​

 

[Cassian]

Oh,I get it. There are no alligators in the lake because a thousand years ago some scientist that is akin to God himself said so and certified his findings.

Therefore since you BELIEVE IT, you assert it,but you never seen it personally and when we ask you to dive in you change the subject.

So all you have is more irrelevant, non substantive mantra that has nothing to do with the topic. You are the ones that need to give positive evidence that premillennialism is actually the teaching of scripture. I cannot prove a negative.

 

[Cassian]

the bible tells us that some understanding would be unlocked in this end time only.

But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book,
even to [the time of] the end: many shall run to and fro,
and knowledge shall be increased.


could say the internet and man going to space quilify, could this key maybe.​

And just how does this relate to the topic? How does this prove that millennialism has always been a scriptural teaching?

 

[prove-all]

And just how does this relate to the topic?

I was just trying to be helpfull in pointing endtime understanding seal,

Did the Holy Spirit forget something in the beginning?

my reply was that there was a seal put on the understanding,
till this [end time frame] , that was Not given in the biginning to understand.
even Danial did not understand. was just pointing this out

Did the Holy Spirit lie about giving revelation in this age to individual men for private interpretation?

I mentioned that a man can understand now, that is if God wants him to.
not everyone was given the mysteries back then, somethings also only unlocked untill now.
and nothing is of private interpretation, only from the bible can interpret the bible

He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know
the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

How does this prove that millennialism has always been a scriptural teaching?

I never tried to or touched on the subject. sorry

 

[VCO]

It was not written to be literal. There is your first mistake.
Secondly, you could easily prove your view with some historical evidence. After all Revelation and scripture was given a long time ago. So, if the view is actually scriptural it would have been believed from the beginning. Yet, history shows that the Church declared "Chiliasm" heretical 1700 years ago and the view most are espousing was generated just 200 years ago with the most popularized only in the last 50 years or so.
How can that be scriptural? Did the Holy Spirit forget something in the beginning? Did the Holy Spirit lie about giving revelation in this age to individual men for private interpretation?

So tell me Cassian, just how do you know what the demons sealed in the Abyss from the time of Noah, look like?

HOW DO YOU KNOW THEY DON'T LOOK LIKE THIS?

OR THIS?

Did you know that the Red Chinese have 200 Million in their Armed Forces?

Notice the Goose Step, people laughed at it once before.

DID YOU KNOW THEY BUILT A HIGHWAY ACROSS THE HIMALAYAN MOUNTAINS GOING WEST?

SO IT IS POSSIBLE TO DRIVE TO ISRAEL NOW!

What would frozen comet exploding, causing a massive meteorite shower that also had a methane gas base as they entered our atmosphere?

Besides the "Great Tribulation" what would you call a time when an evil World Dictator orders the beheading of all Jews and Believers that Jesus the Messiah is coming back?

 

[Cassian]

So tell me Cassian, just how do you know what the demons sealed in the Abyss from the time of Noah, look like?

HOW DO YOU KNOW THEY DON'T LOOK LIKE THIS?

OR THIS?

Did you know that the Red Chinese have 200 Million in their Armed Forces?

Notice the Goose Step, people laughed at it once before.

DID YOU KNOW THEY BUILT A HIGHWAY ACROSS THE HIMALAYAN MOUNTAINS GOING WEST?

SO IT IS POSSIBLE TO DRIVE TO ISRAEL NOW!

What would frozen comet exploding, causing a massive meteorite shower that also had a methane gas base as they entered our atmosphere?

Besides the "Great Tribulation" what would you call a time when an evil World Dictator orders the beheading of all Jews and Believers that Jesus the Messiah is coming back?

So, instead of giving evidence you want me to accept some man's wild fairytaie scenario based on a literal interpretation of Revelation. It has never been interpreted literally.

The very fact that man thinks that Christ is coming for some Jews when Christ died specifically to make ONE new man. There is no Jew or Greek any longer. The Jews were scattered for a reason and it, as per scripture, was permanent. You are caught in the same blindness as the Jews at Jesus' time. They were looking for an earthly king. Now modern man is still looking for an earthly king. The entire NT is full of the fulfilling of OT prophecies. Paul makes a very straight forward explanation of who is considered "Israel". It is NOT the national or blood Jew, but the Spiritual Jew. Spiritual Israel is the NT Church.

Paul reiterates this understanding in Gal 3:16, again in Gal 3:29

One of the Books used by the premillennials is Daniel. Yet Daniel is completely fulfilled except for the mention of the resurrection in the last day. As for Revelation only the period of tribulation at the end, the antichrist, and then Christ's return has yet to happen.

The fact that you cannot find any evidence that it has always been the meaning of scripture is quite obvious.

 

[Cassian]

prove-all,

I was just trying to be helpfull in pointing endtime understanding seal,

But it is from Daniel and it has all been fulfilled.

my reply was that there was a seal put on the understanding,
till this [end time frame] , that was Not given in the biginning to understand.
even Danial did not understand. was just pointing this out

See above.

I mentioned that a man can understand now, that is if God wants him to.
not everyone was given the mysteries back then, somethings also only unlocked untill now.
and nothing is of private interpretation, only from the bible can interpret the bible

What mysteries do we not know that we need to know?

 

[DP]

The early Church prior to the 3rd century A.D. were premillennial. With later Constantine and the Edict of Milan, many of the later Church fathers began to heed the allegorical spiritualism of those like Origen from the Alexandria, Egypt school, which had joined pagan doctrines in with Christian doctrine.

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Early 1st-2nd century Church fathers:

Papias (60 - 130 A.D.), "there will be a millennium after the resurrection of the dead, when the kingdom of Christ will be set up in material form on this earth." (Eusebius quote in Eusebius Ecclesiastical History, vol. II (Cambridge, MA, Harvard University Press, 1926) Vol.1, p.297)


Justin Martyr (100-165 A.D.), "But I and others, who are right-minded Christians on all points, are assured that there will be a resurrection of the dead, and a thousand years in Jerusalem, which will then he built, adorned, and enlarged, as the prophets Ezekiel and Isaiah and others declare." (Dialogue With Trypho, Chapter 80.)


Tertullian (160-230 A.D.), "But we do confess that a kingdom is promised to us upon the earth, although before heaven, only in another state of existence; inasmuch as it will be after the resurrection for a thousand years in the divinely-built city of Jerusalem, 'let down from heaven,' which the apostle also calls 'our mother from above;' and, while declaring that our citizenship is in heaven, he predicts of it that it is really a city in heaven. This both Ezekiel had knowledge of and the Apostle John beheld." (Tertullian, Against Marcion, book 3, chap.25.)

 

[ukok102nak]

what are the four winds that is mentioned in
Revelation 7:1_3 that has the capacity to level
the trees earth and sea in this world?
Revelation: 7. 1. After these things, I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that they should not blow upon the earth, nor upon the sea, nor on any tree.
2. And I saw another angel ascending from the rising of the sun, having the sign of the living God; and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
3. Saying: Hurt not the earth, nor the sea, nor the trees, till we sign the servants of our God in their foreheads.

:smoke: thank you very much :happy:

 

[DP]

what are the four winds that is mentioned in
Revelation 7:1_3 that has the capacity to level
the trees earth and sea in this world?
Revelation: 7. 1. After these things, I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that they should not blow upon the earth, nor upon the sea, nor on any tree.
2. And I saw another angel ascending from the rising of the sun, having the sign of the living God; and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
3. Saying: Hurt not the earth, nor the sea, nor the trees, till we sign the servants of our God in their foreheads.

:smoke: thank you very much :happy:

It's a term first written in the OT (see Jer.49:36; Ezek.37:9; Dan.7:2; Dan.8:8; Dan.11:4; Zech.2:6; and for NT Matt.24:31 and Mark 13:27.)

Per those Scriptures, it can have a positive meaning for God's elect, or a negative meaning upon His enemies.

When Apostle Paul in 1 Thess.5 spoke of the time of "sudden destruction" upon the wicked, and Peter regarding the elements burning up per 2 Peter 3:10, both were referring to events that are to occur upon this earth on "the day of the Lord".

God gave His OT prophets to write much about the events to occur on that "day of the Lord". Per them, and Paul and Peter, that is the day of Christ's second coming to do battle with Satan's host on earth, and it will include the event of God's consuming fire burning man's works off the surface of this earth. At the same moment, the resurrection is coupled with it, as also the "caught up" event of Christ's saints on earth.

In that Rev.7 example, the four angels are being told to hold the four winds back until... what? Until God 'seals' His elect that are on earth. The purpose for that sealing is so they will not be deceived during the time of "great tribulation" our Lord Jesus forewarned of in Matthew 24. Thus those four winds are not loosed on the earth until the ending of that tribulation when Jesus returns.

 

[ukok102nak]

:smoke: Thank you very much :happy:
For your answer . ...

By the way the verses you gave us tells us about the four winds
what do we mean to say is `` what are this four winds``
Specifically each wind and their attributes
like this one
:read:
Ephesians: 4. 14. That henceforth we be no more children tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine by the wickedness of men, by cunning craftiness, by which they lie in wait to deceive

God bless us all

:ty:

 

[VCO]

Seems like another self convicting statement. You are the one who cannot produce the evidence that the so-called dispensational premillennial theory was and is the meaning of scripture.
Instead of addressing the issue you need to obfuscate with being "born again" which is irrelevant to the issue.

Cassian, I gave you a multitude of evidence, both here, and on my thread http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/95283-calling-out-bride-go-wedding-lamb.html. You chose to reject it all, because you have no spiritual mind to use to discern spiritual truths with spiritual understanding; you only understand with the fleshly mind that is between your ears. YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN FIRST. There is no such thing as having spiritual understanding without the HOLY SPIRIT entering your heart first. Until you come to HIM with a broken, contrite heart; surrendering completely to HIM out of LOVE FOR HIM; you will remain without spiritual understanding.

It is not my job to make you understand, which would be an exercise in futility. You do not come thru the Narrow Gate in groups, NOR do you get pushed thru by another individual. You have to choose to believe, and willingly walk thru that Narrow Gate because you LOVE HIM DEEPLY, with the Kind of LOVE that only the Holy Spirit can pour into your heart. Somehow I think your stumbling block is your pride in your own human intellect.

1 Corinthians 2:13-14 (NIV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.

 

[VCO]

what are the four winds that is mentioned in
Revelation 7:1_3 that has the capacity to level
the trees earth and sea in this world?
Revelation: 7. 1. After these things, I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that they should not blow upon the earth, nor upon the sea, nor on any tree.
2. And I saw another angel ascending from the rising of the sun, having the sign of the living God; and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
3. Saying: Hurt not the earth, nor the sea, nor the trees, till we sign the servants of our God in their foreheads.

:smoke: thank you very much :happy:

What happens if there is NO WIND BLOWING from any direction?

You got it, a world-wide MAJOR DROUGHT, followed by a MAJOR FAMINE; is the first thing that comes to my mind.