I want to understand the Catholic faith so....
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When did she "tear into the Protestant doctrine?"
I saw her telling why she doesn't bother explaining things to protestants. And for convenience sake, many of us gave wonderful examples of what she was talking about right on this thread. She isn't a victim, nor is she claiming to be one. (I don't know her well, but one thing you can't call her is a victim. lol) She is certainly being targeted by a mob mentality though.
She'd like to actually discuss stuff, but, instead of discussing, she's been attacked and, sometimes, attacked for who she isn't. (I've seen her use scripture. She even used it again in the post you're rallying again. You're claiming she's done stuff she hasn't done.)
RobOp tells in his PM's that some folks are saved on here. Truly a miracle because often our stance is to attack those who don't believe what we believe. (I am as guilty as the next guy.)
What would you do if you were her? She is "spiritual." She's willing to talk. And yet, YES! She is being attacked. SHE is, not just her church is.
She's listened. We haven't! She's been trying to follow the God of the Bible as far back as she remembers, yet she doesn't know if she is born again. Yeesh! This is an open invitation to truly talk to her, and yet what is everyone doing? Attacking her! Attacking her church!
So let's gag on perception and forget the obvious! Same thing we did to ZZ. Last I heard, it wasn't the church/denomination that saves, but dang if we aren't pushing that one anyway.
I saw her telling why she doesn't bother explaining things to protestants. And for convenience sake, many of us gave wonderful examples of what she was talking about right on this thread. She isn't a victim, nor is she claiming to be one. (I don't know her well, but one thing you can't call her is a victim. lol) She is certainly being targeted by a mob mentality though.
She'd like to actually discuss stuff, but, instead of discussing, she's been attacked and, sometimes, attacked for who she isn't. (I've seen her use scripture. She even used it again in the post you're rallying again. You're claiming she's done stuff she hasn't done.)
RobOp tells in his PM's that some folks are saved on here. Truly a miracle because often our stance is to attack those who don't believe what we believe. (I am as guilty as the next guy.)
What would you do if you were her? She is "spiritual." She's willing to talk. And yet, YES! She is being attacked. SHE is, not just her church is.
She's listened. We haven't! She's been trying to follow the God of the Bible as far back as she remembers, yet she doesn't know if she is born again. Yeesh! This is an open invitation to truly talk to her, and yet what is everyone doing? Attacking her! Attacking her church!
So let's gag on perception and forget the obvious! Same thing we did to ZZ. Last I heard, it wasn't the church/denomination that saves, but dang if we aren't pushing that one anyway.
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Try harder?
I am.
(Ooo ooo, does this land us right back into "if you're trying, you aren't getting grace?" lol)
The whole idea is not to back someone into a corner, because that just makes us defensive. When defensive, we don't listen. And, in this case, the offense should listen back, even if they hear the strawman. It's not a debate. They're real people.
Leave backing into a corner for debates. There's a big difference between debating the lesser points and how we treat people before we know if they're saved. You and I can go strong with each other because we trust the other is saved. BUT look what we've done to two people on this thread through the same tactics. (I honestly believe Fordman isn't listening, so treat him as a debate. I might be wrong.)
I am.
(Ooo ooo, does this land us right back into "if you're trying, you aren't getting grace?" lol)
The whole idea is not to back someone into a corner, because that just makes us defensive. When defensive, we don't listen. And, in this case, the offense should listen back, even if they hear the strawman. It's not a debate. They're real people.
Leave backing into a corner for debates. There's a big difference between debating the lesser points and how we treat people before we know if they're saved. You and I can go strong with each other because we trust the other is saved. BUT look what we've done to two people on this thread through the same tactics. (I honestly believe Fordman isn't listening, so treat him as a debate. I might be wrong.)
Romans 8:16-17
[SUP]16 [/SUP] The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,
[SUP]17 [/SUP] and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him in order that we may also be glorified with Him.
Ephesians 2:8-9
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
[SUP]9 [/SUP] not as a result of works, that no one should boast.
The ONLY "right" religion is the one where we are Children of God. The only "right" religion are those who have accepted Jesus and have received Salvation by Faith and Grace.
All those who teach Salvation is received by Works is not the "right" religion. All those who teach other gods before us like Mary are not of the "right" religion.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,
[SUP]17 [/SUP] and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him in order that we may also be glorified with Him.
Ephesians 2:8-9
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
[SUP]9 [/SUP] not as a result of works, that no one should boast.
The ONLY "right" religion is the one where we are Children of God. The only "right" religion are those who have accepted Jesus and have received Salvation by Faith and Grace.
All those who teach Salvation is received by Works is not the "right" religion. All those who teach other gods before us like Mary are not of the "right" religion.
My question still goes unanswered!! Is it wrong for me to point out to a person who claims to understand salvation but yet the comment on her profile that she was "baptized as a baby and it took", is a contradiction ?
We are not saved by baby baptism. So I am left thinking that one of two things is going on here
: Poetmary understands my point based on scripture and yet is unwilling to admit her flawed thinking OR she still doesnt understand.
Which is it ?
I merely want an answer. Im sure I am not the only one who is perplexed with her contradictory stance .
We are not saved by baby baptism. So I am left thinking that one of two things is going on here
: Poetmary understands my point based on scripture and yet is unwilling to admit her flawed thinking OR she still doesnt understand.
Which is it ?
I merely want an answer. Im sure I am not the only one who is perplexed with her contradictory stance .
Tell me PoetMary, do you believe Mary was born without sin?
Romans 3:10
[SUP]10 [/SUP] as it is written: “None is righteous, no, not one;
Romans 3:23
[SUP]23 [/SUP] for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Romans 5:12
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned
Tell me PoetMary, do you believe Mary is a mediator?
1 Timothy 2:5
[SUP]5 [/SUP] For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus
What did you mean in your answer that you have the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit by " through prayer, scripture, fellowship with believers, the sacraments, and right living"?
What Sacraments gives you the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit? And which "right living" gives you the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit?
Ephesians 1:13
[SUP]13 [/SUP] In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit
Romans 3:10
[SUP]10 [/SUP] as it is written: “None is righteous, no, not one;
Romans 3:23
[SUP]23 [/SUP] for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Romans 5:12
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned
Tell me PoetMary, do you believe Mary is a mediator?
1 Timothy 2:5
[SUP]5 [/SUP] For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus
What did you mean in your answer that you have the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit by " through prayer, scripture, fellowship with believers, the sacraments, and right living"?
What Sacraments gives you the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit? And which "right living" gives you the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit?
Ephesians 1:13
[SUP]13 [/SUP] In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit
I have my style you have yours. When people leave, they leave on their own accord and do not need mothering to stay. Am I to carry guilt feelings with everyone that leaves a battle zone?
I have always suggested that CC set up a "safe zone" where seekers and new believers can go to ask their sincere questions and the ones who would get booted would be their attackers...until then if I sense someone is, young, weak, or sincerely searching I do my best to be gentle, but when they turn and their agenda becomes apparent then the gloves come off.
I have always suggested that CC set up a "safe zone" where seekers and new believers can go to ask their sincere questions and the ones who would get booted would be their attackers...until then if I sense someone is, young, weak, or sincerely searching I do my best to be gentle, but when they turn and their agenda becomes apparent then the gloves come off.
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