He became sin...???

[Mitspa]

Look at the definition, it means in all manner or in all means or as the KJV put it, all points.

πᾶςpâs, pas; including all the forms of declension; apparently a primary word; all, any, every, the whole:—all (manner of, means), alway(-s), any (one), × daily, + ever, every (one, way), as many as, +no(-thing), X thoroughly, whatsoever, whole, whosoever.

Yes I understand the word pas...Im quite able in the Greek and to translate it as "all points" is just an opinion and an addition of a word to the text. now the word "similitude" or "likeness" is clearly in the text (homoiotes) but left un-translated for some reason ?

 

[Roberth]

Its speaking of our trial of faith and relating it to the Lord test of faith...not sin in the flesh.

What type of humanity died in Christ 2000 years ago? The Bible states it was our old life and then it says "our body of sin". That died in Christ. Therefore Christ assumed us in our fallen condition. You just can't get around it, unless you renounce the clear gospel and that's exactly what you are doing. You, therefore, are an enemy of the gospel of Christ.

 

[Roberth]

Nope.

The Lamb of God was/is Perfect in every way. Unblemished. No sin.

God's not a lamb. It's a metaphor. It simply mean that He lived a perfect life in our fallen, sinful flesh. His performance was spotless.

 

[Roberth]

So you do believe the Word was made flesh and that flesh had sin as Romans 7 describes?

Christ did not have the experience the converted man of Romans 7 had. If you look closely the man of Romans 7 had 2 forces (or laws) within himself.

1] The law of my mind (the law written in the heart)

2] The law of sin

According to Paul he delighted in God's law according to the converted man (the inward man), but he saw another law in the members of his body that countered his good intentions. That force (or law) he called "the law of sin". It is the same as "sin dwelling in me". Paul found that this force cannot be defeated by "the law of my mind". In other words will power cannot defeat the clamor of our nature based on self-love (a u-turn agape). Christ didn't experience this defeat.

 

[Mitspa]

Christ did not have the experience the converted man of Romans 7 had. If you look closely the man of Romans 7 had 2 forces (or laws) within himself.

1] The law of my mind (the law written in the heart)

2] The law of sin

According to Paul he delighted in God's law according to the converted man (the inward man), but he saw another law in the members of his body that countered his good intentions. That force (or law) he called "the law of sin". It is the same as "sin dwelling in me". Paul found that this force cannot be defeated by "the law of my mind". In other words will power cannot defeat the clamor of our nature based on self-love (a u-turn agape). Christ didn't experience this defeat.

Your still trying to claim that Christ had indwelling sin...which is completely unbiblical and blasphemy against His holiness and purity.

 

[Mitspa]

God's not a lamb. It's a metaphor. It simply mean that He lived a perfect life in our fallen, sinful flesh. His performance was spotless.

This just shows your not trying to have a honest discussion ...everyone knows why He is called the Lamb of God ..everyone who knows anything understand the symbolism of the lamb without spot or blemish ...perfect in everyway. To say "oh gods not a lamb" as if that's a answer to the point? Proves your not looking for truth.

 

[BradC]

What type of humanity died in Christ 2000 years ago? The Bible states it was our old life and then it says "our body of sin". That died in Christ. Therefore Christ assumed us in our fallen condition. You just can't get around it, unless you renounce the clear gospel and that's exactly what you are doing. You, therefore, are an enemy of the gospel of Christ.

You are just off in how you perceive Christ and the body of sin. Sin was imputed to the body of Christ, not because he had a body of sin already but because he did not have one. It did not happen until the cross when he had finished the work he was sent to do by the Father. At that point when Jesus cried out 'My God, My God why has thou forsaken me' is the time he experienced and bore our sin and the sin of the whole world upon his body and BECAME SIN. God forsook his Son for that moment because God could not look upon sin. Our sin and the old sin nature that produces sins was crucified with Christ on the cross when he died for the wages of our sin. He bore the judgment and penalty for all sin, even the sin of those who would remain in unbelief.

The gospel we are to preach is Jesus Christ and him crucified, which is the good news that our sins have been paid for. If any man acknowledge this and believe that Christ was raised from the died can be saved and is born again of the word and the Spirit, having his conscience cleansed from dead works that he might serve the living God. THe Holy Spirit indwells no man for the salvation until they believe in their heart unto God's righteousness.

 

[Mitspa]

What type of humanity died in Christ 2000 years ago? The Bible states it was our old life and then it says "our body of sin". That died in Christ. Therefore Christ assumed us in our fallen condition. You just can't get around it, unless you renounce the clear gospel and that's exactly what you are doing. You, therefore, are an enemy of the gospel of Christ.

You don't even seem to have the beginnings of understanding of the gospel? You don't seem to even understand the fact that Christ took our sins at the Cross...you seem to think He was born with our sin nature.... Its fine if you think im wrong ...I wouldn't have it any other way, seeing the condition of error your in.

 

[Mitspa]

You are just off in how you perceive Christ and the body of sin. Sin was imputed to the body of Christ, not because he had a body of sin already but because he did not have one. It did not happen until the cross when he had finished the work he was sent to do by the Father. At that point when Jesus cried out 'My God, My God why has thou forsaken me' is the time he experienced and bore our sin and the sin of the whole world upon his body and BECAME SIN. God forsook his Son for that moment because God could not look upon sin. Our sin and the old sin nature that produces sins was crucified with Christ on the cross when he died for the wages of our sin. He bore the judgment and penalty for all sin, even the sin of those who would remain in unbelief.

The gospel we are to preach is Jesus Christ and him crucified, which is the good news that our sins have been paid for. If any man acknowledge this and believe that Christ was raised from the died can be saved and is born again of the word and the Spirit, having his conscience cleansed from dead works that he might serve the living God. THe Holy Spirit indwells no man for the salvation until they believe in their heart unto God's righteousness.

1Pe 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed

 

[knownbyGod]

God's not a lamb. It's a metaphor. It simply mean that He lived a perfect life in our fallen, sinful flesh. His performance was spotless.

Jesus is called the lamb of God in the bible,

John 1:29 [Full Chapter]
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

 

[Roberth]

Jesus is called the lamb of God in the bible,

John 1:29 [Full Chapter]
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Yes, He is the symbolic lamb used in the sacrificial system, but He wasn't a lamb. It's a metaphor.

 

[Roberth]

You don't seem to even understand the fact that Christ took our sins at the Cross...you seem to think He was born with our sin nature

And you seem to think that somehow our nature was magically added to Christ's humanity on the cross. There's no evidence of that, but we know He was "born of a woman" and that He was "made of the seed of David" and Abraham. What type of nature did Mary, David and Abraham have? Answer: The one we all share with Adam.

In fact Paul states our old life died "in Christ" (see Rom 6:6). The only type of life I have is the one that came from Adam, after the fall. So my life from Adam was in Christ when He died as our corporate head. That's how Christ could actually be tempted, as we are tempted, yet He never sinned.

He never sinned because "the law of the Spirit in Christ Jesus" defeated "the law of sin and death." See Romans 8:2

 

[Roberth]

He never sinned because "the law of the Spirit in Christ Jesus" defeated "the law of sin and death." See Romans 8:2

Rom 8:2 "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set me free from the law of sin and death."

Q: Are you personally free from a] "the law of sin", which Paul defines as indwelling sin (our love of self) and b] mortality?

A: No, as individuals from Adam we still retain a sinful nature and we are still mortal.

So what is Paul saying?

Paul is saying that the power of the Spirit (the law of the Spirit) in the humanity of Christ defeated "the law of sin" (the sin nature) and therefore Christ has legally defeated "sin in the flesh" and "death"!

Therefore "in Christ" we have a glorified humanity free from a] the sin nature and b] mortality. In Christ we are sinless and immortal. That's our position "in Christ" in the heavenly places. In Him we stand blameless. This is the essence of justification by faith alone.

 

[Mitspa]

And you seem to think that somehow our nature was magically added to Christ's humanity on the cross. There's no evidence of that, but we know He was "born of a woman" and that He was "made of the seed of David" and Abraham. What type of nature did Mary, David and Abraham have? Answer: The one we all share with Adam.

In fact Paul states our old life died "in Christ" (see Rom 6:6). The only type of life I have is the one that came from Adam, after the fall. So my life from Adam was in Christ when He died as our corporate head. That's how Christ could actually be tempted, as we are tempted, yet He never sinned.

He never sinned because "the law of the Spirit in Christ Jesus" defeated "the law of sin and death." See Romans 8:2

Yes He bore our sins on the cross..just as scripture says in evident words... Its a miracle of God, like many things God did that men are not able to grasp with a natural mind...you want to call it "magic"? I guess since you have no problem with blaspheming the nature of Christ you see no problem with using such words for the works of the Almighty?

1Pe 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed

 

[Mitspa]

Yes, He is the symbolic lamb used in the sacrificial system, but He wasn't a lamb. It's a metaphor.

Its more than a metaphor...it a title of Christ and the symbolism of the Lamb without spot or blemish is well understood among most bible believing Christians ....

 

[Roberth]

Sin was imputed to the body of Christ, not because he had a body of sin already but because he did not have one. It did not happen until the cross when he had finished the work he was sent to do by the Father.

You can't imputed our love of self (sin). You either have it in your flesh or you do not. God didn't impute anything on the cross. The cross only answers one of the demands of the law, i.e., the justice of God.

But first Christ had to fulfill the law in order to be our righteousness. To do this He first had to keep the law where Adam and his descendants failed. So He assumed our humanity indwelt with our love of self. The difference is He never succumbed to our nature. He lived a perfect life with sin (self-love) in the flesh.

 

[Roberth]

Its more than a metaphor......

Is Christ a lamb? No...IT's a metaphor. End of discussion.

 

[Mitspa]

You can't imputed our love of self (sin). You either have it in your flesh or you do not. God didn't impute anything on the cross. The cross only answers one of the demands of the law, i.e., the justice of God.

But first Christ had to fulfill the law in order to be our righteousness. To do this He first had to keep the law where Adam and his descendants failed. So He assumed our humanity indwelt with our love of self. The difference is He never succumbed to our nature. He lived a perfect life with sin (self-love) in the flesh.

So how did our sins get in His body on the cross? If sin cannot be imputed? Or do you not really believe the bible?


1Pe 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed

 

[Roberth]

1Pe 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree....

He took the punishment for our sins....That's what it means. He took the curse of the law.

 

[Mitspa]

He took the punishment for our sins....That's what it means. He took the curse of the law.

No it says He took our sins...not our punishment

1Pe 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins

Don't you believe the bible?