He became sin...???

[Roberth]

Gal 1:6 I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel; 7 which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! 9 As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!

Gal 3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us....

Gal 4:4 But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law,5 so that He might redeem those who were under the Law.....

Christ became what He was not by Divine right. He was born of a woman and therefore, because He shared in our humanity (after the fall) came under the curse of the law.

Why, did He transgress the law? No! Because He assumed our condemned life, bent-towards-self. That life had to die, eternally. That's why "you (your life from Adam) died to the law (the law demanded your death) in the body of Christ." (Rom 7:4) Hence "your old life (from Adam) was crucified with Christ so that they body of sin (our members permeated with self-love [iniquity]) might be done away with..." (Rom 6:6)

In Christ God's law has been fulfilled. In Christ the demands of God's law has been answered. In Christ you are complete.

 

[Mitspa]

Christ, as the son of man, had to deal with what tempts us, i.e, our bent-to-self or self-love. This self-love comes from within. This bent tempted Christ, just as we are tempted, but He never failed. Deal with it.....

No Christ was not full of sin as you are and He was the Word made flesh...and knew no sin.

 

[KJV1611]

No Christ was not full of sin as you are and He was the Word made flesh...and knew no sin.

I asked this earlier in this thread but I don't remember you answering. Do you think Jesus was tempted to commit adultery?

 

[Mitspa]

I asked this earlier in this thread but I don't remember you answering. Do you think Jesus was tempted to commit adultery?

I believe what the bible says and its shows His temptation was to change a stone into bread etc...when was the last time you was tempted to change a stone into bread... that's not a temptation based on sinful lust but a temptation based upon a man who needs to eat. A man in a body not a man in a body of sin.

 

[Mitspa]

1Pe 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.


Here is when the Lord took our sin..he was not born in sin!
He took our sin 2000 some odd years before we was even born into sin.

 

[KJV1611]

I believe what the bible says and its shows His temptation was to change a stone into bread etc...when was the last time you was tempted to change a stone into bread... that's not a temptation based on sinful lust but a temptation based upon a man who needs to eat. A man in a body not a man in a body of sin.

I changed stones into to bread a long time ago. The stones are the law and the bread is Christ. Can you give a a yes or no answer to whether or not Jesus was tempted to commit adultery?

 

[Mitspa]

I changed stones into to bread a long time ago. The stones are the law and the bread is Christ. Can you give a a yes or no answer to whether or not Jesus was tempted to commit adultery?

So was Jesus tempted to actually change stones into bread or to change the law into the New Testament ? He was tempted to use His divine power to feed himself ...the devil did not tempt Him with porno The devil tempted Him with power and glory in this world ... not with the low things he tempts fallen men with.

So how was you tempted to change stones into bread ? Hows that a temptation?

 

[Mitspa]

Heb 4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11 ¶ Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

In context of Hebs 4 ....Jesus faith was tempted ...not some sin nature in Him

 

[KJV1611]

So was Jesus tempted to actually change stones into bread or to change the law into the New Testament ? He was tempted to use His divine power to feed himself ...the devil did not tempt Him with porno The devil tempted Him with power and glory in this world ... not with the low things he tempts fallen men with.

So how was you tempted to change stones into bread ? Hows that a temptation?

He was tempted to use his divine power to make salvation though the law rather than through His blood... the devil was tempting him to not go to the cross.

So from your response I'm assuming you don't believe Jesus was tempted to commit adultery, fornication, or to lie and all the other low things the devil tempts us with.

 

[Mitspa]

He was tempted to use his divine power to make salvation though the law rather than through His blood... the devil was tempting him to not go to the cross.

So from your response I'm assuming you don't believe Jesus was tempted to commit adultery, fornication, or to lie and all the other low things the devil tempts us with.

So the whole thing of Him not eating for 40 days has no relation to the temptation with the stone into bread ? No he was being tempted as a hungry man in a body that needed food...not a body that lusted after sex . I think your trying to over spiritualize the event to ignore the clear intention of the passage and to ignore how the bible says He was tempted. The bible describes His temptation, not you or your lust. You being a sinner in the flesh want to go outside the scriptures to justify your own flesh in some way?

 

[KJV1611]

So the whole thing of Him not eating for 40 days has no relation to the temptation with the stone into bread ? No he was being tempted as a hungry man in a body that needed food...not a body that lusted after sex . I think your trying to over spiritualize the event to ignore the clear intention of the passage and to ignore how the bible says He was tempted. The bible describes His temptation, not you or your lust. You being a sinner in the flesh want to go outside the scriptures to justify your own flesh in some way?

There is almost always a duality in the bible, one physical and one spiritual. Yes Jesus was hungry and was tempted change the stones into literal bread.

Hebrews says He was tempted in ALL points just like us. I take that to mean exactly what it says.

Hebrews 4:15 KJV
For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

 

[BradC]

I changed stones into to bread a long time ago. The stones are the law and the bread is Christ. Can you give a a yes or no answer to whether or not Jesus was tempted to commit adultery?

If Mitspa will allow me, I would be glad to answer the question of adultery. If part of the 'all points' of (Heb 4:15) includes adultery, then yes our Lord could have very well been tempted, but only outwardly and not inwardly. He had no corresponding sin nature within the members of his body, no lusts, no desires and no appetites of the flesh to be enticed. Those temptations would just fall to the ground with no power to conceive sin. Our Lord's heart was not filled with what man's heart is filled with described in (Mt 15:19, Mk 7:21-23). Our Lord's heart was full of grace and truth (John 1:14).

James 1:12-15

12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

Adam and Eve were without lust in their heart in the garden. They were created in the image and likeness of God. They were not God for they were Adam (Gen 5:2) and of one flesh (Gen 2:24). They were not full of grace and truth as our Lord was. They were formed and created by the spoken word but were not the word made flesh and fashioned as a man as our Lord was (Phil 2:8). The woman was tempted and deceived by the words of the serpent in the garden and through those strange words, which she internalized and gave place to (Eph 4:27), she partook of the wrong fruit that she had perceived was good for food, pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she ate and gave to her husband who also ate and their eyes were opened knowing good and evil (Gen 3:1-7).

When their eyes were opened the lusts, the desires and the appetites of this fruit had its beginning and was joined to their flesh (the first Adam). From that very moment when they ate of this fruit, every form of lust that would exist in the heart and flesh of man was rooted in the knowledge and corruption of good and evil. When we are born again we are born of the incorruptible seed of the word which is Spirit and life (1 Pt 1:23, John 3:3-7, John 6:63). This does not take place until the very moment when we respond to the gospel by faith and agree with the Son who shed his blood, who died, was buried and raised from the dead

1 Cor 15:45-50

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven. (ONLY TWO MEN ARE MENTIONED)
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

 

[Grandpa]

So you believe that Jesus..the Word made flesh had sin in the flesh like you and me?

No.

I believe He understood our temptations. I believe He was able to resist ALL of them.

I don't think temptations are sin. They are possible future sins.

 

[Roberth]

.... He was the Word made flesh...and knew no sin.

Because He didn't sin....But He was tempted, "AS WE ARE"!!!!! What part of that can't you wrap your mind around?

 

[Roberth]

Did your old self (life) die in Christ?

What type of life do you have - one without indwelling sin?

 

[Roberth]

If Mitspa will allow me, I would be glad to answer the question of adultery. If part of the 'all points' of (Heb 4:15) includes adultery, then yes our Lord could have very well been tempted, but only outwardly and not inwardly. He had no corresponding sin nature within the members of his body, no lusts, no desires and no appetites of the flesh to be enticed. .

Then His mind, as the son of man, couldn't have been tempted, period! To be tempted to sin you must have something in you that responds to external stimuli. Since your old life from Adam was in Christ when He died (see Rom 6:6), then your old life had to be in him from birth. There's no way around it...

 

[Roberth]

To be tempted to sin you must have something in you that responds to external stimuli.

Take for example our love of self (which is "the law of sin" or "sin dwelling in me").


Jesus said, " "He who loves his life loses it, and he who hates his life in this world will keep it to life eternal." John 12:25


Now notice how Christ was tempted to save Himself:


Luke 22:42 "Father, if it be Thy will, take this cup (my death) away from me; yet not my will but Yours be done!"


Christ's will, momentarily, opposed His Father's will to save the human race through His death. But He caught Himself and submitted, not to His temptation, but the will of His Father.


This proves that Christ as the son of man had to deal with "sin in the flesh", that is, He was tempted by our love of self. That's what iniquity is...it's our bent-to-self or self-love.

 

[Roberth]

The catholics also believe in the trinity ? do you? ...Roberth

Yes....The problem is they have truth and error. The immaculate conception is a heresy of the highest order.

 

[Mitspa]

There is almost always a duality in the bible, one physical and one spiritual. Yes Jesus was hungry and was tempted change the stones into literal bread.

Hebrews says He was tempted in ALL points just like us. I take that to mean exactly what it says.

Hebrews 4:15 KJV
For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

Well the context is in the trying of our faith...not in the lust of the flesh... read Heb 4 in context

Heb 4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11 ¶ Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

In context of Hebs 4 ....Jesus faith was tempted ...not some sin nature in Him

 

[Mitspa]

Yes....The problem is they have truth and error. The immaculate conception is a heresy of the highest order.

The Holy Spirit impregnated Mary ..that's clear biblical truth. It heresy to deny that .