Why I keep the Sabbath FYI.

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If you really feel that stands in opposition to the truth of Scripture then your understanding of Scripture is at great variance with mine, and we will not find a middle ground.
This is true, for there is no "middle ground" where Scripture is concerned.

There are semantic arguments, though.

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Magenta

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This is true, for there is no "middle ground" where Scripture is concerned.
Then why are you refusing to acknowledge that God did not ask Adam and Eve to sacrifice a lamb to pay for their sin as was stated? He provided the covering, Scripture explicitly states that also. I stand on the Word of God, while everyone else involved in this part of the discussion skirts the issue.
 
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[h=2]Is the Fourth Commandment Still Relevant?[/h] Does it make any difference which day we observe—or whether we even keep one at all? Does the Bible establish Sunday as the Lord's Day? Was the Sabbath given for the Jewish people only—while Christians are commanded to keep Sunday as the Lord's Day?
Without a doubt, most professing Christians accept Sunday as the New Testament Lord's Day. Muslims observe Friday. Some religions observe no day. But there are those who insist the seventh-day Sabbath is still binding. Few take the Sabbath seriously—in fact, the vast majority of Christians have never looked into this question. Most never question Sunday-observance, unwittingly following the traditions of men rather than the clear command of God!
Few people realize that the Sabbath vs. Sunday controversy raged during the first three centuries of the Christian era, and thousands were tortured and put to death over this question both before and after the Emperor Constantine supposedly "resolved" the heated debate in his Sabbatical edict in AD 321. If so many chose death over observing a day not commanded by God, could not this dispute be more significant than we may have thought?
What does the Bible really say about the Sabbath? It is generally assumed that Sunday is the correct day. Is it possible that all of these churches are wrong on this fundamental doctrine? And, after all, does it make any difference? Do we not have to adjust our religion to the changing times? Was not the law—including the Sabbath—"nailed to the cross" when Christ died? What about scriptures like Galatians 4:10 or Colossians 2:16—do they not prove that it does not matter which day we keep? Was not Christ resurrected on Sunday, thus His day is the "Lord's Day?"
Such questions must be answered!
 
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[h=2]Sabbath Tour:
The Sabbath Created for Whom and When?[/h]


"And [Jesus] said to them, 'The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath'" (Mark 2:27-28).
The Sabbath was not just created; it was made with someone in mind. The prevalent idea today is that the Sabbath was made "for the Jews"—but that is not what Christ says! Christ says it was made "for man"! It was something created for the benefit of all of mankind, not just for a certain group of people. God created the Sabbath immediately after He created the human race—not at the origination of the Jews:
Then God said, "Let Us [plural, God and the Word] make man in Our image, according to Our likeness." . . . So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. (Genesis 1:26-27)
Verse 31 shows that this happened on the sixth day of creation week. Further, man was the very last thing or being created on that day. Man came into being, then, probably in the late afternoon of the sixth day.
And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made. (Genesis 2:2-3)
When "God said, 'Let Us make man,'" who spoke? As John 1:1-3, 14 shows, Jesus Christ is also called the Word—that is, the Spokesman. He speaks only as the Father directs. God created all things by Jesus Christ (Ephesians 3:9; Colossians 1:16). Therefore, the One who became Jesus said: "Let Us make man." Jesus did the work of creation, as instructed by the Father.
Notice that He did not complete His creating on the sixth day, but it continued through the seventh day: "And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done." God ended His work, but the creation week was not yet over! Creation Week was a full seven days of creation.
What did He create on the seventh day? He made the Sabbath! However, He made the Sabbath, not by work, but by ceasing from it. On the seventh day He ended the work of creation—what was created by work. He rested on the seventh day, and by doing so, created the Sabbath. He then blessed and set apart the seventh day as a day of rest and worship for mankind.
 
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[h=2]Sabbath Tour:
Does It Matter Which Day We Keep Holy?[/h]


Does it really make any difference whether we keep the day God blessed and made holy? Can we substitute another day? Do we have to keep any day at all? Must the Christian respect what God makes holy?
God records a plain but effective explanation in an experience in Moses' life. Moses had been raised from a baby as a prince by Pharaoh's daughter, but he had killed an Egyptian guard who had been beating a Hebrew slave. He was forced to flee for his life to the land of Midian. There, after some time, he had married a daughter of Jethro the priest of Midian.
One day, leading a flock of sheep, Moses came to Mount Sinai, where he saw a large bush burning, yet the flames did not consume it. While pondering this strange sight, the Lord called to Moses out of the burning bush: "Moses, Moses! . . . Do not draw near this place. Take your sandals off your feet, for the place where you stand is holy ground" (Exodus 3:1-5).
Why did it make any difference whether Moses took off his shoes—or where? Because the ground where he stood at that moment was holy! God required him to treat holy ground with a respect he did not treat other common plots of ground. Why was this ground holy? Because God's presence was in it! God is holy, and His presence in the bush made the ground around it holy.
In the same way, God's presence is in His Sabbath. He rested on the seventh day of Creation to put His presence in that day, making it holy time. Four thousand years later, when this same Being, the Word, lived in human flesh, He was still putting His presence in that same weekly recurring Sabbath: He went into the synagogues "as His custom was . . . on the Sabbath day" (Luke 4:16)!
Jesus Christ is the same today as He was yesterday, and shall be forever (Hebrews 13:8). He has not changed in the least. He is still putting His presence in His Sabbath, making it holy!
God commanded Moses to take his shoes off that holy ground. Likewise, the same God commands mankind to take his foot off from trampling and profaning His holy time. God requires His children to treat that day with a respect not required of other time. Notice Isaiah 58:13-14:
If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath, from doing your pleasure on My holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight, the holy day of the Lord honorable, and shall honor Him, not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor speaking your own words, then you shall delight yourself in the Lord; and I will cause you to ride on the high hills of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father. The mouth of the Lord has spoken.
We honor God by keeping holy those things that He has made holy—and only God can make things holy! We dishonor Him when we speak our own words, saying, "Well, I think the ideas and ways of men must be right. I'd rather do as they do, and have them think well of me."
God commands: "Take your foot off My holy time. Quit trampling all over that which is holy and sacred to Me! Quit profaning My holy things." The sin is in profaning what God made holy.
God has never made any other weekday holy. Mankind has no authority to sanctify a day. One cannot keep a day holy, unless God has first made it holy, any more than one can keep cold water hot unless it is hot in the first place! God made this period of time holy, and He commands us to keep it that way!
 
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Does it matter if you put yourself under the law? Yes it does and those who do have fallen from grace and are under the curse of the law.
 

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Does it matter if you put yourself under the law? Yes it does and those who do have fallen from grace and are under the curse of the law.
Fortunately, most of us Sabbath/Law keepers around here don't fit into that category.

It would do many here well to see and accept that.
 
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Fortunately, most of us Sabbath/Law keepers around here don't fit into that category.

It would do many here well to see and accept that.
So you guys are not under the New Covenant ? Gods Words in the New Testament don't apply to you? Is that what your saying?
 

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Does it matter if you put yourself under the law? Yes it does and those who do have fallen from grace and are under the curse of the law.
Fortunately, most of us Sabbath/Law keepers around here don't fit into that category.

It would do many here well to see and accept that.
So you guys are not under the New Covenant ? Gods Words in the New Testament don't apply to you? Is that what your saying?
Not sure how you came to that conclusion. You must have misread.

Of course I'm under the New Covenant and of course the New Testament applies to me.
 
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Then why are you refusing to acknowledge that God did not ask Adam and Eve to sacrifice a lamb to pay for their sin as was stated? He provided the covering, Scripture explicitly states that also. I stand on the Word of God, while everyone else involved in this part of the discussion skirts the issue.
You are denying what would have certainly been the command.

True, God provided that covering in the initial offense, and it was that offense which demanded a temporary covering.

Now, I will no longer debate semantics, I just want to know...

...where are my cookies?


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You are denying what would have certainly been the command.

...where are my cookies?
False accusation, no cookie for you! Why must you add to what I have very clearly stated as the revealed written Word of God? You deny the Word of God at the same time. Stop arguing your semantics, man.
 
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Not sure how you came to that conclusion. You must have misread.

Of course I'm under the New Covenant and of course the New Testament applies to me.
But some of your statements would appear to be at odds with the following:

One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind Rom 14:5

That is written by the person commissioned by Christ to be the chief explainer of the new covenant to the world
 

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False accusation, no cookie for you! Why must you add to what I have very clearly stated as the revealed written Word of God? You deny the Word of God at the same time. Stop arguing your semantics, man.
Magenta,

'Twer I, I'd move on from this particular silly debate.

Just sayin'
 

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Magenta,

'Twer I, I'd move on from this particular silly debate.

Just sayin'
LOL. I don't know why they find it so hard to acknowledge what is very clearly explicitly written in the Word of God. Are they just being stubborn? Are they blind? How would you explain their inability to see what is plainly written?
 
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False accusation, no cookie for you! Why must you add to what I have very clearly stated as the revealed written Word of God? You deny the Word of God at the same time. Stop arguing your semantics, man.
Answer my question: do you feel that an animal or animals died for those skins to be provided or did God create them apart from the death of animals.

Secondly...how did Abel know to bring of his flock?

Lucky guess?

I am not denying anything at all, and you can help show I am adding to the Word by answering the questions posed to you.


God bless.
 
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LOL. I don't know why they find it so hard to acknowledge what is very clearly explicitly written in the Word of God. Are they just being stubborn? Are they blind? How would you explain their inability to see what is plainly written?
So you are a Sabbath Keeper as well?


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But some of your statements would appear to be at odds with the following:

One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind Rom 14:5

That is written by the person commissioned by Christ to be the chief explainer of the new covenant to the world

I think this verse perfectly describes where we're at....

"One person considers one day more sacred than another;" (Me, in regards to the the Sabbath over the rest of the week)

"another considers every day alike." (You)

"Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind" (I am, and I would imagine you are too.)

So I don't see how either of us are at odds with this verse.
 

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Answer my question:
Why are you making demands of me when you refuse to acknowledge the Word of God as it was presented to you, and defend an obvious error? You disappoint.
 
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I think this verse perfectly describes where we're at....

"One person considers one day more sacred than another;" (Me, in regards to the the Sabbath over the rest of the week)

"another considers every day alike." (You)

"Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind" (I am, and I would imagine you are too.)

So I don't see how either of us are at odds with this verse.
You are at odds by teaching that the Sabbath has to be kept or one is sinning.

Do you do that?

Do you feel you are right and those who keep Sunday, and those who see every day as holy unto God are wrong?

And as I said before, I am not accusing you of this, I am just asking.

You say in your tag you keep the Law, well, do you offer up sacrifice of animals for remission of sins and atonement?

In this post you imply that you have liberty to keep the Sabbath, and I agree with that. However, if you feel that keeping the Sabbath is something that must be done, then you find yourself at odds with clear teaching.


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LOL. I don't know why they find it so hard to acknowledge what is very clearly explicitly written in the Word of God. Are they just being stubborn? Are they blind? How would you explain their inability to see what is plainly written?
2 Timothy 2:23
"Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels."

Titus 3:9
"But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and strife and disputes about the Law, for they are unprofitable and worthless."

These instructions were given because there were folks who wanted to do otherwise.