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LOL I'll be round in half an hour 
Just getting into my transporter. Don't boot your husband too hard lol
Just getting into my transporter. Don't boot your husband too hard lol
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I understand what you are saying Jimmie, but also, you could address the verses she posted. I just feel too much of me, and not enough of God can lead to "sometimes" egos clashing. I will take a look at what you said, and give a personal opinion if I feel led ok. But I still see using scripture only as a viable way to communicate our beliefs. I also see in our human-ness, how that could become totally boring, or at least, not competitive enough for us So no, I would just read the bible only if that were always used on bible forums.
So no, I would just read the bible only if that were always used on bible forums.
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Right, and I have lots of room to grow in studying the Word. I love these verses regarding that, and yes by the way, I do see the difference already with being saved, drafted in as saved gentiles, and the promises God has made to Israel, the Jewish people (saved or unsaved) because of yours or someones verses in the thread
2 Timothy 3:14-17New King James Version (NKJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]But you must continue in the things which you have learned and been assured of, knowing from whom you have learned them, [SUP]15 [/SUP]and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, [SUP]17 [/SUP]that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
2 Timothy 3:14-17New King James Version (NKJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]But you must continue in the things which you have learned and been assured of, knowing from whom you have learned them, [SUP]15 [/SUP]and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, [SUP]17 [/SUP]that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
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LOL you have given me so many 'likes' I wonder you can say that. Do you wear blinkers all the time?
so you have not argued with me below? GOOD we shall see lol Funnily I couldn't care what you believe either. I am concerned about the young Christians you could lead astray.
that is quite frankly a LIE. you have constantly questioned whether I am saved because of what I believe about subjects you disagree on. And you are one of the most arrogant contributors I know. Shall I go back and post them? You're not worth the time.
Good. And that fulfilled all the promises made to Abraham concerning his seed.
Is this a new song? LOL
They were given that piece of land and they possessed it. But in the end they forfeited it.
Good.
LOL of course Heb 11.1-16 debunks your whole position. It was GOD's explanation of the fulfilment of His promises.
well keep trying. you never know you might succeed lol
Pity you don't use the New more. Are you sure you haven't just got Revelation? LOL
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Well I prefer the Holy Spirit and Scripture
As WE are His chosen people (1 Pet 2.9) it is clear He is not finished with us. But He is certainly finished with unbelieving Judaism.I think you overexaggerate their importance. The whole world is focussed on ISIS but what does that prove? The present nation of Israel is man's invention. It commenced when Zionists took possession of an empty country in the nineteenth century. It is not related to the promises of God. God's promises are to believers, not unbelievers. And believing Israel were the foundation of the church which is God's holy nation (1 Pet 2.9)
It happened to the Palestinians.
Actually it wasn't. It was founded in the late nineteenth century by Zionists, confirmed by the 1917 Balfour Declaration. 1948 was simply when it chose to declare itself a nation.
LOL it depends where you looked
What do you think the Zionist were doing who had settled there?He has done. Here we are, God's olive tree (Rom 11.12-24)
So do I. That's why I believe we ARE Israel (Gal 3.28; 6.16; Eph 2.11-22; Rom 11.12-24; 1 Peter 2.9; John 15.1-6)..
I wonder if it can be anything to do with America's aid, her atomic bombs, her modern weaponry and training?
LOL read the history. It was no miracle. That is the invention of fertile minds.
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Yes to the olive tree. So we have become part of Israel (not part of the Jews).
Sooooo? There will also be a remnant of Arabs lol
Some will and those who do will become members of the true Israel, the church.
The unbelieving Jews displaced themselves. But you must not equate the Jews with Israel. Paul quite clearly distinguishes them. Unbelieving Jews were cut off from Israel. Believing Gentiles were grafted in, thus becoming Israel.
They belong to Israel, BELIEVING Israel, and that is now the true Messiah believing church.
I have already found it in the New Testament
True but its also important to be right
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If your standard mantra helps you to rationalize a false teaching, go for it.
As can be clearly seen the only man made theory here is yours, the premil/dispensational theory. None of you can even put forth a consensus. Yet the Gospel given once in the beginning has always been unified and has been believed and practiced the very same from the beginning. That is the authentic work of the Holy Spirit as He promised.
A promise you clearly do not believe. You much more prefer either your own version of interpretation or use some other man's premise and build on it.
You are far from God's word. You are mired in a 20th century theory still being developed and probably will always be in transition, unlike the Gospel which has not changed from the beginning.
It is a theory that has no purpose and no one has yet even tried to present one.
As can be clearly seen the only man made theory here is yours, the premil/dispensational theory. None of you can even put forth a consensus. Yet the Gospel given once in the beginning has always been unified and has been believed and practiced the very same from the beginning. That is the authentic work of the Holy Spirit as He promised.
A promise you clearly do not believe. You much more prefer either your own version of interpretation or use some other man's premise and build on it.
You are far from God's word. You are mired in a 20th century theory still being developed and probably will always be in transition, unlike the Gospel which has not changed from the beginning.
It is a theory that has no purpose and no one has yet even tried to present one.
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well I have one friend lol
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Well I prefer the Holy Spirit and Scripture
As WE are His chosen people (1 Pet 2.9) it is clear He is not finished with us. But He is certainly finished with unbelieving Judaism.I think you overexaggerate their importance. The whole world is focussed on ISIS but what does that prove? The present nation of Israel is man's invention. It commenced when Zionists took possession of an empty country in the nineteenth century. It is not related to the promises of God. God's promises are to believers, not unbelievers. And believing Israel were the foundation of the church which is God's holy nation (1 Pet 2.9)
It happened to the Palestinians.
Actually it wasn't. It was founded in the late nineteenth century by Zionists, confirmed by the 1917 Balfour Declaration. 1948 was simply when it chose to declare itself a nation.
LOL it depends where you looked
What do you think the Zionist were doing who had settled there?He has done. Here we are, God's olive tree (Rom 11.12-24)
So do I. That's why I believe we ARE Israel (Gal 3.28; 6.16; Eph 2.11-22; Rom 11.12-24; 1 Peter 2.9; John 15.1-6)..
I wonder if it can be anything to do with America's aid, her atomic bombs, her modern weaponry and training?
LOL read the history. It was no miracle. That is the invention of fertile minds.
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Yes to the olive tree. So we have become part of Israel (not part of the Jews).
Sooooo? There will also be a remnant of Arabs lol
Some will and those who do will become members of the true Israel, the church.
The unbelieving Jews displaced themselves. But you must not equate the Jews with Israel. Paul quite clearly distinguishes them. Unbelieving Jews were cut off from Israel. Believing Gentiles were grafted in, thus becoming Israel.
They belong to Israel, BELIEVING Israel, and that is now the true Messiah believing church.
I have already found it in the New Testament
True but its also important to be right
Quickly then I have to get on with housework.Im gonna get fired!
1.WE are His chosen people (1 Pet 2.9) it is clear He is not finished with us. But He is certainly finished with unbelieving Judaism.
First Peter is talking of the Jews IMO He isnt finished with them not us.
2.The whole world is focussed on ISIS but what does that prove?
Focused on ISIS because of the Jews.Who hates Jews more than ISIS? Still about Israel.
3.It is not related to the promises of God. God's promises are to believers, not unbelievers. And believing Israel were the foundation of the church which is God's holy nation.
Romans 11,Jews are blinded until the Gentiles all come in. God doesnt go back on His promises.
4.It happened to the Palestinians.
History lesson needed,I confess.
5.Actually it wasn't. It was founded in the late nineteenth century by Zionists, confirmed by the 1917 Balfour Declaration. 1948 was simply when it chose to declare itself a nation.
Bible talks of a woman in birthing,then born in a day. I believe it refers to Israel.
6.LOL it depends where you looked
What do you think the Zionist were doing who had settled there?Look at pictures before Israel became a country,desolate. Even Mark Twain said so in his travels.
7.He has done. Here we are, God's olive tree (Rom 11.12-24)
We are grafted into the olive tree.. Romans 11
8.So do I. That's why I believe we ARE Israel
Dont have time to repost the verses on the church being separate for Israel. Crossnote posted a great one tho.
9.I wonder if it can be anything to do with America's aid, her atomic bombs, her modern weaponry and training?
Oh certainly,I totally believe America was created by God for a reason,one is the support of Israel.
10.LOL read the history. It was no miracle. That is the invention of fertile minds.
God uses whomever He wishes to bring about His plan.Like the Pharaoh of Egypt.
11.Yes to the olive tree. So we have become part of Israel
Excellent! Now you're getting somewhere! PART not REPLACED.
12.Sooooo? There will also be a remnant of Arabs lol
Not according to the Bible. Romans says a remnant of Jews.
13.Some will and those who do will become members of the true Israel, the church.
The Jews will trust the anti-Christ.He will turn on them and they will understand Christ was their Messiah.They will mourn and will be saved. Romans 11
14.The unbelieving Jews displaced themselves. But you must not equate the Jews with Israel. Paul quite clearly distinguishes them. Unbelieving Jews were cut off from Israel. Believing Gentiles were grafted in, thus becoming Israel.
Yes I understand that is your theology but I disagree with that.
15.They belong to Israel, BELIEVING Israel, and that is now the true Messiah believing church.
Dont believe the church replaced the Jews.
16.I have already found it in the New Testament
I wasnt talking to you...
17.True but its also important to be right
Yes but its confusing for anyone to find their way in this mess. She needs to seek the answer herself.
Now housework before hubby boots me!
Maybe that is why you deviate so much. I believe that all of scripture is the witness of the revelation God gave to man. It is all being guarded and preserved by the Holy Spirit. All of it, not part of it. The Church has always had the same scriptural understanding and has remained unchanged. What those outside of the Church want to make of it is their own, it has no relation to the view of the Church.
The Church has never relied on man to interpret scripture and surely not men outside of the Church. It is why today, 2000 years after all revelation was given, it is very easy to ascertain false teachings because they are not from the beginning.
The Church has never relied on man to interpret scripture and surely not men outside of the Church. It is why today, 2000 years after all revelation was given, it is very easy to ascertain false teachings because they are not from the beginning.
Are you REALLY so blind that you do not see that the whole message of the Bible is a salvation issue? That is what every part of the Bible is about. Or don't you really understand about what salvation is limiting it with your petty mind? The whole pont from beginning too end is that man fell and how God will remedy the fact.
You are so small minded. THATS WHAT PRETRIB DOES FOR YOU
You are so small minded. THATS WHAT PRETRIB DOES FOR YOU
Quickly then I have to get on with housework.Im gonna get fired!
LOL the Old Testament is for Jews. Peter is for Jews. Revelation is for Jews. Do you have any Bible left that is relevant? Is 1 Peter 4.2-4 spoken to Jews? I think NOT.
Oh come on lol ISIS are not attacking Jews. They are mainly attacking Christians, and Muslims of a different sect. They are not forming their caliphate in Palestine, but in Syria and Iraq
He doesn't need to. The present church IS the true Israel. Thus He can fulfil all His promise to them.
Note that your citation says NOTHIN about God then doing anything for unbelieving Jews. 'Until' simply indicates that their blindness will last that long. It does not promise that it will then end.
when the Zionists moved in the land was empty apart from a few wandering nomad. The arrival of the Zionists awoke former Palestinians to the fact that they could return to their land.
Israel really WAS born in a day when the first returnees arrived after the Exile. It was again born in a day at Pentecost.
LOL it depends where you looked What do you think the Zionist were doing who had settled there?
What do you think the Zionist were doing who had settled there?I see what you mean about history not being your strong point. Mark Twain had in mind Palestine before the Zionists settled. But the Zionists transformed the land where they were. The desert blossomed like a rose (or crocus).
Exactly we become a living part of the olive tree, From then on an essential part. And what was the name that God gave to ISRAEL?
'The LORD called your name (the phrase parallels the naming of Adam - Gen 5.2) a green OLIVE TREE' (Jer 11.16). So we have become an essential part of Israel.
Pity you didn't cite it then. Then I could have shown up his error.
Then why are so many Jews staying in America?
well that can be used to prove that every nation is chosen by God. It proves NOTHING.
If you read everything I have said not ONCE have I spoken of replacing Israel. From the beginning I have insisted that it is the CONTINUING of Israel. A replacement Israel would not fulfil promises. A continuing Israel DOES.
LOL EVERY nation leaves a remnant in the end.
That is simply fantasy based on misusing texts.
well you are entitled to do that as I disagree with yours lol
Nor do I. The earliest church WERE JEWS. So you have two large groups. Messiah believing Jews. Messiah rejecting Jews. Which of them was God's true Israel?
It would be very strange if God set aside the believing Jews who accepted the Messiah and obeyed the teaching of Jesus, and chose the unbelieving Judaists s Israel who rejected the teaching of Jesus. In fact it would be incredible, (as Paul pointed out).
The new TRUE ISRAEL was formed (Matt 21.43; John 15.1-6) before a single Gentile proselyte was made.
All the Gentile believers did was unite with the true Israel as proselytes. Israel had ALWAYS accepted proselytes (Exod 12.48).
I thought you were going to boot him lol
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Are you so arrogant you think you know everythng? (who said I was pretrib, I have never stated such, nor am I)
And no, All the bible is not about salvation, That's the lie you have bought into.
If it was, Then we are saved by Law. We are saved because God sent a worldwide flood, we are saved blah blah blah.
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Quickly then I have to get on with housework.Im gonna get fired!
LOL the Old Testament is for Jews. Peter is for Jews. Revelation is for Jews. Do you have any Bible left that is relevant? Is 1 Peter 4.2-4 spoken to Jews? I think NOT.
Oh come on lol ISIS are not attacking Jews. They are mainly attacking Christians, and Muslims of a different sect. They are not forming their caliphate in Palestine, but in Syria and Iraq
He doesn't need to. The present church IS the true Israel. Thus He can fulfil all His promise to them.
Note that your citation says NOTHIN about God then doing anything for unbelieving Jews. 'Until' simply indicates that their blindness will last that long. It does not promise that it will then end.
when the Zionists moved in the land was empty apart from a few wandering nomad. The arrival of the Zionists awoke former Palestinians to the fact that they could return to their land.
Israel really WAS born in a day when the first returnees arrived after the Exile. It was again born in a day at Pentecost.
I see what you mean about history not being your strong point. Mark Twain had in mind Palestine before the Zionists settled. But the Zionists transformed the land where they were. The desert blossomed like a rose (or crocus).
Exactly we become a living part of the olive tree, From then on an essential part. And what was the name that God gave to ISRAEL?
'The LORD called your name (the phrase parallels the naming of Adam - Gen 5.2) a green OLIVE TREE' (Jer 11.16). So we have become an essential part of Israel.
Pity you didn't cite it then. Then I could have shown up his error.
Then why are so many Jews staying in America?
well that can be used to prove that every nation is chosen by God. It proves NOTHING.
If you read everything I have said not ONCE have I spoken of replacing Israel. From the beginning I have insisted that it is the CONTINUING of Israel. A replacement Israel would not fulfil promises. A continuing Israel DOES.
LOL EVERY nation leaves a remnant in the end.
That is simply fantasy based on misusing texts.
well you are entitled to do that as I disagree with yours lol
Nor do I. The earliest church WERE JEWS. So you have two large groups. Messiah believing Jews. Messiah rejecting Jews. Which of them was God's true Israel?
It would be very strange if God set aside the believing Jews who accepted the Messiah and obeyed the teaching of Jesus, and chose the unbelieving Judaists s Israel who rejected the teaching of Jesus. In fact it would be incredible, (as Paul pointed out).
The new TRUE ISRAEL was formed (Matt 21.43; John 15.1-6) before a single Gentile proselyte was made.
All the Gentile believers did was unite with the true Israel as proselytes. Israel had ALWAYS accepted proselytes (Exod 12.48).
I thought you were going to boot him lol
Sigh....cant you do a short post?! Like Jesus wept,lets discuss that. Im running outta batteries.
1.Is 1 Peter 4.2-4 spoken to Jews?
That isnt the Scripture we were discussing. What point are you making with this Scripture?
2.Oh come on lol ISIS are not attacking Jews.
They are Muslim,they are enemies of Jews and hate Jews. They'll get around to the Jews soon enough.
3.Note that your citation says NOTHIN about God then doing anything for unbelieving Jews. 'Until' simply indicates that their blindness will last that long. It does not promise that it will then end.
Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself... Don’t you know what Scripture says in the passage about Elijah—how he appealed to God against Israel: 3 “Lord, they have killed your prophets and torn down your altars; I am the only one left, and they are trying to kill me”[a]? 4 And what was God’s answer to him? “I have reserved for myself seven thousand who have not bowed the knee to Baal.”[b]5 So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace.... Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all!...And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!
4.The arrival of the Zionists awoke former Palestinians to the fact that they could return to their land.
They have no country.Israel is a nation,Palestine is not.Not the same thing,at all.
5.Israel really WAS born in a day when the first returnees arrived after the Exile. It was again born in a day at Pentecost.
Once again,I dont believe that theology.
6.I see what you mean about history not being your strong point. Mark Twain had in mind Palestine before the Zionists settled. But the Zionists transformed the land where they were. The desert blossomed like a rose (or crocus).
Hey watch the sarcasm! I'll sick the dog on ya! Check out these pics...http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~dhershkowitz/index.html
Compare them to Israel today.
7.So we have become an essential part of Israel.
Agreed,a part,grafted in.Not a replacement!!!!
8.Then I could have shown up his error.
Take that up with Crossnote.Its a few pages back,cant miss it.Or ask him to repost it.
9.Then why are so many Jews staying in America?
God is gathering them home.I dont know Gods timing, but there was no homeland,now there is.He'll do what He has said.
10.well that can be used to prove that every nation is chosen by God. It proves NOTHING.
Except God calls them His chosen people,the apple of His eye. And He has guided them down though history,Hes not going to stop now.
11.If you read everything I have said not ONCE have I spoken of replacing Israel. From the beginning I have insisted that it is the CONTINUING of Israel. A replacement Israel would not fulfil promises. A continuing Israel DOES.
[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif] Yes! Israel is continuing and so is the church.The church doesnt receive the promises given to Israel.
[/FONT]12.LOL EVERY nation leaves a remnant in the end.
Verse is written out above. If you dont believe it I cant make you.It says remnant...
13.That is simply fantasy based on misusing texts.
Well I guess you need to prove that statement
14.well you are entitled to do that as I disagree with yours lol
Ya I know,we seriously need to find something we agree on.
15.Nor do I. The earliest church WERE JEWS. So you have two large groups. Messiah believing Jews. Messiah rejecting Jews. Which of them was God's true Israel?
Sigh we're still missing each other. All the Jews have not come in yet! We still believe differently.
Nah dont think I can boot him. Hes 6'4 and Im 5'2. How tall are you BTW
joking joking