Dates of Creation

[MahogonySnail]

THE SPRIRT OF ERROR WOULD BE TO EVER LISTEN TO YOUR ACCOUNT ON HOW TO TIE YOUR SHOES
CONSIDERING
NO ONE FINDS YOUR RESPONSES TO BE CREDIBLE
BUT RATHER
YOU HAVE BECOME THE JOKE OF MANY
BY YOUR LACK OF WIT

If that's true then why is my Rep Power 7 and yours 1? I speak the truth when I say that what you say comes from satan who is the father of lies.

You obviously aren't smart enough to realise that you can have light and darkness without the sun. Yes, the sun is not the only source of light. Look up the Hydrogen bomb.

 

[charisenexcelcis]

IF YOU READ CLOSELY
IT SAYS THAT GOD CREATED LIGHT TO DIVIDE DARKNESS
THIS HAS ABSOLUTELY NO BEARING ON ROTATION YET
FOR EVERYTHING WAS COMPLETELY DARK
THEN
GOD MADE LIGHT
AND AT THAT MOMENT WHEN HE MADE LIGHT IT BECAME MORNING
WHICH WAS THE FIRST DAY
BUT IT WAS NOT UNTIL THE 4TH DAY GOD MADE SUN AND MOON
SO
WHAT WAS THAT LIGHT DURING THE DAY IN THE FIRST 3 DAYS
IF IT WAS NOT THE SUN...?
THIS WOULD MEAN THE EARTH HAD NO ROTATION YET
TO BE SUBJECTIVE UNTO THE SUN AND MOON
TO BECOME DAY AND NIGHT FOR FIRST 3 DAYS
SO THE CLAIM THIS WAS 24 HOURS IS INACRUATE
IT COULD BE AS IN GOD's TIME A DAY AS 1000 YEARS

AS I STATED BEFORE

YOUR MEANING OF LITERAL
IS UNLIKE
GOD's MEANING OF LITERAL

I appreciate what you are saying. Let me ask this, since animals were created on the sixth day, two days after there was a sun and a moon, how does that help with the dinosaur problem?

 

[charisenexcelcis]

Just a side thought: the order of creation is significant. On the first three days He creates three realms: light, sea and sky, earth. On the next three days He creates the rulers of those days: sun, moon and stars to rule the light; birds and sea creatures to rule the sea and sky; beasts, cattle and creepers to rule the land. so then He specially creates man to be His regents.

 

[joint-heir]

It doesn't matter that there was no sun or moon, there was still an evening and a morning, there was a beam of light shining on the earth from one direction, leaving the other side in darkness. This was God's work light so He could see what He was doing. See Genesis 1:5:

God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning--the first day.

It has nothing to do with the sun and moon or what the future source of the light would be. Light is day, and darkness is night.

The purpose of light shining on one part of the earth was to de-thaw it and get it to the right temperature for supporting life. The source of this light was God Himself (see Revelations, no sun is needed in the new earth). Then God created the sun, which I suppose was His first "hands off" approach to a self sustaining universe.

BUT IT DOES NOT MEAN IT WAS AN EXACT 24 HOUR PERIOD DURING CREATION

AND LIGHT WAS PRESENT AS GOD SPOKE EXISTENCE
BUT AS SOON AS HE STEPPED AWAY (WHICH COULD BE A WEEK OR 1000 YEARS)
THE ABSENCE OF HIS LIGHT BECAME NIGHT
UNTIL
HE CREATED A SUN AND MOON TO REGULATE A ROTATING AXIS (24 HOUR)

ONCE AGAIN
AS IN EVERYTHING I READ FROM YOU
YOU LIMIT GOD

SOON WE SHOULD MAKE THESE FORUMS TOWARDS WORSHIPPING YOU
DUE TO YOUR CONSTANT PERSISTANCE
NOTHING IS POSSIBLE BY GOD
UNTIL
YOU MOHOG SNAIL
PUT YOUR STAMP OF APPROVAL ON IT

 

[joint-heir]

If that's true then why is my Rep Power 7 and yours 1? I speak the truth when I say that what you say comes from satan who is the father of lies.

You obviously aren't smart enough to realise that you can have light and darkness without the sun. Yes, the sun is not the only source of light. Look up the Hydrogen bomb.

YOUR A REP 7
BECAUSE
YOU HAVE BEEN ON THESE FORUMS LONGER THAN MOST
AND IT IS OBVIOUS THOSE WHO HAVE GAVE YOU INCREASE
ARE AS CLUELESS AS YOU

 

[MahogonySnail]

BUT IT DOES NOT MEAN IT WAS AN EXACT 24 HOUR PERIOD DURING CREATION

Yes it does.

ONCE AGAIN
AS IN EVERYTHING I READ FROM YOU
YOU LIMIT GOD

So you're calling yourself God now? I'm not limiting God I'm correcting your error. You are human are able to err aren't you?

 

[MahogonySnail]

YOUR A REP 7
BECAUSE
YOU HAVE BEEN ON THESE FORUMS LONGER THAN MOST
AND IT IS OBVIOUS THOSE WHO HAVE GAVE YOU INCREASE
ARE AS CLUELESS AS YOU

At least I'm not pretending to be a pastor.

 

[joint-heir]

I appreciate what you are saying. Let me ask this, since animals were created on the sixth day, two days after there was a sun and a moon, how does that help with the dinosaur problem?

IF DINOSAURS ARE A DIRECT COMPONENT TO BIRDS/FOWL
THIS WOULD PROVE
AFTER THEIR EXTINCTIONS
BIRDS/FOWL WERE THEN REFASHIONED BY GOD ON THE 6TH DAY

 

[charisenexcelcis]

IF DINOSAURS ARE A DIRECT COMPONENT TO BIRDS/FOWL
THIS WOULD PROVE
AFTER THEIR EXTINCTIONS
BIRDS/FOWL WERE THEN REFASHIONED BY GOD ON THE 6TH DAY

Are you saying that they existed before the sun and moon?

 

[MahogonySnail]

Yeah God put wings on a brontosaurus on the 6th day. Good one LOL.

 

[ty]

LETS CONSIDER THAT IN 2 PETER WE LEARN TO GOD A DAY IS AS A 1000 YEARS AND VICE VERSA
SO
THIS COULD MEAN
THAT IN EACH DAY OF CREATION WE HAVE 7000 YEARS
THIS WOULD BE ENOUGH TIME FOR DINO EXPERIMENTS AND OTHER ARTIFACTS TO TAKE PLACE
BUT
IF WE TAKE THIS MORE SERIOUSLY
WE WILL SEE THE CLOCK THAT BEGAN WINDING DOWN TO REVELATION
WOULD HAVE BEGAN WHEN ADAM AND EVE ATE OF THE TREE OF KNOWLEDGE
AND THEN WERE REMOVED FROM PARADISE TO SIN
SO
IF YOU TOOK 7000 POSSIBLE YEARS FOR 7 DAYS OF CREATION
ADD 2000 FROM ADAM TO NOAH
ADD 2000 FROM NOAH TO BIRTH OF JESUS
ADD 2000+ FROM BIRTH OF JESUS UNTIL TODAY
I WOULD SAY TO BELIEVE WE COULD BE AT 13,000+ YEARS
WOULD BE NO MEANS STRETCHING THE POSSIBILITY
SO MY GUESS WOULD BE
AROUND 13,000+ YEARS ACCORDING TO BIBLICAL SCRIPTURE
BUT
LETS NOT FORGET
WE COULD ADD A FEW DAYS OR ANOTHER WEEK IF YOU CONSIDER
FROM CREATION OF ADAM TO EVE AND THE TIME THEY ATE OF THE TREE OF KNOWLEDGE
SO THAT WOULD BRING US TO 16,000+ - 20,000+ POSSIBLE YEARS
REMEMBER
ADAMS AGE IS RECORDED FROM BEGINNING TO END ONCE HE COMMITTED SIN AND NOT BEFORE
ITS NOT LIKELY THAT ADAM WHO WAS GIVEN PERMISSION TO NAME ALL LIVING THINGS
(BIRDS-TREES-FISH-MAMMALS-AMPHIBIANS-PLANTS-FLOWERS-INSECTS-REPTILES-ALL LIVING THINGS)
DID THIS IN A 24 HOUR DAY PERIOD AS WE WOULD IMAGINE SO HAPPENED
TO ME IT WOULD MAKE SENSE IN A 1000+ YEAR PERIOD HE DID THIS
THEN AFTER EVE WAS CREATED HE NAMED HER ......WOMAN

SO I BELIEVE THE TIMELINE COULD LOOK LIKE THIS

CREATION = 7000 YEARS
ADAM AND EVE TO FALL OF PARADISE = 3000 - 7000 YEARS
ADAM IN SIN TO NOAH = 2000 YEARS
NOAH TO BIRTH OF JESUS = 2000 YEARS
JESUS TO NOW = 2000+ YEARS

TOTAL POSSIBILITY = 16,000+ - 20,000+ YEars

what makes you or anybody else decide what the length of the days are i will tell anyone if you want to know these answers go to www.answersingesis.com ken ham has devoted most of his life workin on these questions

 

[joint-heir]

Yes it does. So you're calling yourself God now? I'm not limiting God I'm correcting your error. You are human are able to err aren't you?

LIKE I SAID

YOU DIDNT READ WHAT WAS DISCUSSED AT FIRST

I AM NOT CLAIMING WHAT I AM SAYING IS FACT

I AM CLAIMING HOW IT COULD ACCOUNT TO HOW WE BELIEVE THE EARTH IS 15,000 YEARS OLD

TRY READING
BEFORE YOU ASSUME

 

[joint-heir]

Are you saying that they existed before the sun and moon?

WHY DONT YOU READ EVERYTHING I WROTE IN THIS FORUM

WE ARE GIVING IDEAS OF HOW EARTH COULD ADD UP TO 15,000 YEARS OLD

I WASNT THERE

IN MY FIRST STATEMENT I SAID IN THE BEGINNING
WAS


WHAT IF


HOW HARD IS THAT FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND...?


NOW I AM ANSWERING ACCORDING TO WHAT IF

AFTER ALL
WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE THE EARTH ADD UP TO THE AGE WE THINK
AND THIS WAS A POSSIBILITIY OF WHAT COULD HAVE

DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW...?

 

[MahogonySnail]

And the first error was assuming that where it says 1 day you can insert 1000 years, that's what I was addressing. I never said you were stupid, I said the people who think such things are stupid. But given you responded in such anger, you really must think yourself to be one of the ones I was addressing.

 

[joint-heir]

Originally Posted by joint-heir

LETS CONSIDER THAT IN 2 PETER WE LEARN TO GOD A DAY IS AS A 1000 YEARS AND VICE VERSA
SO
THIS COULD MEAN
THAT IN EACH DAY OF CREATION WE HAVE 7000 YEARS
THIS WOULD BE ENOUGH TIME FOR DINO EXPERIMENTS AND OTHER ARTIFACTS TO TAKE PLACE
BUT
IF WE TAKE THIS MORE SERIOUSLY
WE WILL SEE THE CLOCK THAT BEGAN WINDING DOWN TO REVELATION
WOULD HAVE BEGAN WHEN ADAM AND EVE ATE OF THE TREE OF KNOWLEDGE
AND THEN WERE REMOVED FROM PARADISE TO SIN
SO
IF YOU TOOK 7000 POSSIBLE YEARS FOR 7 DAYS OF CREATION
ADD 2000 FROM ADAM TO NOAH
ADD 2000 FROM NOAH TO BIRTH OF JESUS
ADD 2000+ FROM BIRTH OF JESUS UNTIL TODAY
I WOULD SAY TO BELIEVE WE COULD BE AT 13,000+ YEARS
WOULD BE NO MEANS STRETCHING THE POSSIBILITY
SO MY GUESS WOULD BE
AROUND 13,000+ YEARS ACCORDING TO BIBLICAL SCRIPTURE
BUT
LETS NOT FORGET
WE COULD ADD A FEW DAYS OR ANOTHER WEEK IF YOU CONSIDER
FROM CREATION OF ADAM TO EVE AND THE TIME THEY ATE OF THE TREE OF KNOWLEDGE
SO THAT WOULD BRING US TO 16,000+ - 20,000+ POSSIBLE YEARS
REMEMBER
ADAMS AGE IS RECORDED FROM BEGINNING TO END ONCE HE COMMITTED SIN AND NOT BEFORE
ITS NOT LIKELY THAT ADAM WHO WAS GIVEN PERMISSION TO NAME ALL LIVING THINGS
(BIRDS-TREES-FISH-MAMMALS-AMPHIBIANS-PLANTS-FLOWERS-INSECTS-REPTILES-ALL LIVING THINGS)
DID THIS IN A 24 HOUR DAY PERIOD AS WE WOULD IMAGINE SO HAPPENED
TO ME IT WOULD MAKE SENSE IN A 1000+ YEAR PERIOD HE DID THIS
THEN AFTER EVE WAS CREATED HE NAMED HER ......WOMAN

SO I BELIEVE THE TIMELINE COULD LOOK LIKE THIS

CREATION = 7000 YEARS
ADAM AND EVE TO FALL OF PARADISE = 3000 - 7000 YEARS
ADAM IN SIN TO NOAH = 2000 YEARS
NOAH TO BIRTH OF JESUS = 2000 YEARS
JESUS TO NOW = 2000+ YEARS

TOTAL POSSIBILITY = 16,000+ - 20,000+ YEars




NOTICE THE 3RD LINE.......THIS COULD MEAN

IM THROWING IDEAS OF HOW WE COULD GET TO THE AGE WE THINK THE EARTH IS


DO YOU PEOPLE UNDERSTAND ENGLISH...?

ASIDE FROM SIN
I BET GOD HATES
ASSUMPTION

SO STOP ASSUMING

 

[MahogonySnail]

DO YOU PEOPLE UNDERSTAND ENGLISH...?


I know the meaning of an expression. Thousand years to one day, is not a literal fact, it's an expression. God is notso aloof from the world or stupid that He doesn't know what a 24 hour literal day is. In the bible when God says day it means day.

 

[joint-heir]

And the first error was assuming that where it says 1 day you can insert 1000 years, that's what I was addressing. I never said you were stupid, I said the people who think such things are stupid. But given you responded in such anger, you really must think yourself to be one of the ones I was addressing.

NO
WHAT YOU ARE DOING
IS
THINKING YOU KNOW WHAT I AM SAYING
SO YOU ASSUMED I MADE MY STANCE UPON THIS

THAT IS CALLED STUPIDITY AT ITS BEST TO BE HONEST ABOUT IT

I NEVER MADE ANY CLAIM FOR THIS TO BE FACT

I HAD AN IDEA AND THREW IT OUT
ITS NOT A BELIEF

SO COME DOWN OFF YOUR WOODEN HORSEY
AND ACT LIKE A MAN INSTEAD OF A BOY

AND READ
INSTEAD OF ASSUMING


THIS IS WHY YOU ARE A JOKE WHICH I REFERENCED TO BEFORE

 

[joint-heir]

DO YOU PEOPLE UNDERSTAND ENGLISH...?


I know the meaning of an expression. Thousand years to one day, is not a literal fact, it's an expression. God is notso aloof from the world or stupid that He doesn't know what a 24 hour literal day is. In the bible when God says day it means day.

YOU SHOULD STOP.......SERIOUSLY

YOU COMPLETELY CONFIRM WITH EVERY POST

YOU ARE CLUELESS TO WHAT I WAS DOING

ITS A SHAME YOUR REPRESENT ANYTHING AT ALL

 

[MahogonySnail]

You assumed you were the stupid ones I was referring to when I was not. Who is assuming now? I was making a general comment about the 1day to 1000 year idea, I never even mentioned your name. Given your response to my statements, I think it shows you agree with the view that 1 day is a 1000 years. No one would get mad about such a thing I said unless they believed in that doctrine themself. But thanks for confirming that you aren't a real pastor by your poor manners and bad attitude. Not to mention your false teachings as well. Is calling other people a joke how you normally win over converts to your religion? If possible, which it isn't, maybe I shouldl just copy and paste what you said to every member in your congregation how would you like that? SO THEY CAN SEE WHO YOU REALLY ARE.

 

[charisenexcelcis]

WHY DONT YOU READ EVERYTHING I WROTE IN THIS FORUM

WE ARE GIVING IDEAS OF HOW EARTH COULD ADD UP TO 15,000 YEARS OLD

I WASNT THERE

IN MY FIRST STATEMENT I SAID IN THE BEGINNING
WAS


WHAT IF


HOW HARD IS THAT FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND...?


NOW I AM ANSWERING ACCORDING TO WHAT IF

AFTER ALL
WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE THE EARTH ADD UP TO THE AGE WE THINK
AND THIS WAS A POSSIBILITIY OF WHAT COULD HAVE

DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW...?

I am not attacking you. I'm just trying to get a clear idea of what you are proposing. Don't be so sensitive. And, just because....Do you understand now.