Promoting Half-truth
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May I say that though I am not Catholic, I consider Catholics my brothers (or "brethren" if you prefer). I believe they have errors and some doctines are not based in the word, but I WILL NOT cause a brother to stumble. I think many Churches have errors but I think most are honestly arrived at. There are others that I will not name that are cleverly deceitful, "wolves in sheeps clothing," but I would read the bible with them and pray, or ask them where in the Word they reference a particular doctrine. Regardless, the Body was meant to be one Body. Satan creates the divisions and we empower Satan when we act for purposes other than love. There is a "gentle rebuke" rather than the prideful insistence that sometimes rears it's head. "Let each be sure in their own mind, because each will stand or fall before the Father on his own."
If the discussions could stay civil it would be great...but part of me says Martin Luther would have been banned.
We all believe we are correct...that's why we believe what we believe. Perhaps if we left the personal out and "tested all spirits" against the Word we'd be more Christian in our approach.
One last thought...if a Church legalsim causes our brother's to stumble, should we remain silent? I have attended Pentacostal, Catholic Churches, and have "investigated" the Mormon Church (sat down with missionaries for days discussing the Church. I belonged to a Church for a while I now believe to be a cult (doctrine was not a particularly big issue, but practice and control was). I still learned much that was useful and edifying, and was sad that men had to intrude and control the personal relationship with God. If asked what my issue was with the Church I would respond the way I did to the minister in the cult? "Could you show me the biblical basis? I've looked and can't find it." If the response is anger, as the minister expressed to me (much to the chagrin of the other members who were present) I would do again what I did then...give him a hug, thank him for the time, ask him for his prayers and offer him mine and move on.
We live in difficult times, a time when the Church is under attack. The enemy is inside the gates spreading disinformation and disunity. Our only defense is the "Armor of God." I suspect any Christian should be able to defend doctrine without resorting to the "you hurt my feelings" defense. I also think any Christian should be able to discuss the Word without making it personal. Ask the question. and let the Word Judge.
Me first...was Mary a virgin her whole life, did Jesus have brothers and sisters, what is the biblical basis for the belief? I hope this isn't offensive to anyone...
If the discussions could stay civil it would be great...but part of me says Martin Luther would have been banned.
We all believe we are correct...that's why we believe what we believe. Perhaps if we left the personal out and "tested all spirits" against the Word we'd be more Christian in our approach.
One last thought...if a Church legalsim causes our brother's to stumble, should we remain silent? I have attended Pentacostal, Catholic Churches, and have "investigated" the Mormon Church (sat down with missionaries for days discussing the Church. I belonged to a Church for a while I now believe to be a cult (doctrine was not a particularly big issue, but practice and control was). I still learned much that was useful and edifying, and was sad that men had to intrude and control the personal relationship with God. If asked what my issue was with the Church I would respond the way I did to the minister in the cult? "Could you show me the biblical basis? I've looked and can't find it." If the response is anger, as the minister expressed to me (much to the chagrin of the other members who were present) I would do again what I did then...give him a hug, thank him for the time, ask him for his prayers and offer him mine and move on.
We live in difficult times, a time when the Church is under attack. The enemy is inside the gates spreading disinformation and disunity. Our only defense is the "Armor of God." I suspect any Christian should be able to defend doctrine without resorting to the "you hurt my feelings" defense. I also think any Christian should be able to discuss the Word without making it personal. Ask the question. and let the Word Judge.
Me first...was Mary a virgin her whole life, did Jesus have brothers and sisters, what is the biblical basis for the belief? I hope this isn't offensive to anyone...
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The United Pentecostal Church is an abherrant branch. Try The Assemblies of God (the biggest in the world), the Church of God in Christ (the biggest in the US), the Foursquare Church, the Pentecostal Church of God, the Church of God (Cleveland) or the Open Bible Standard Church. Also, you make the jump from the issue of initial evidence to salvation. I am shocked that you would handle your misunderstanding in this regard. Disagreeing with you is not accusing you of lying. I am curious, you told me that you often fellowship with an Assembly of God church. You should have gone to that pastor and asked him.
OH... gotchya Goood grief. I guess the question as to whether its misrepresentation or not is subjective isnt it. Perhaps it is representation that those deceived in their walk would rather not be convicted about. Perhaps we should just all play nice, after all, all roads do lead to heaven right, no matter how deceived so we should just be quiet and let people flounder in their doctrine that is contrary to scripture.... NOT.
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Would you please pay attention? We're not saying that you shouldn't dispute doctrines that you believe contradict the scriptures. We're saying don't make things up about them. That's all. If you're reading more into it then that, please stop.
For example, here's how you do it correctly:
Jesus said to call no man father, only call God your father.
Catholics refer to spiritual leaders as fathers and the Pope as the Holy Father. So, I believe that this aspect of Catholic practice is wrongheaded.
This is making crap up:
Catholics worship the Virgin Mary!
For example, here's how you do it correctly:
Jesus said to call no man father, only call God your father.
Catholics refer to spiritual leaders as fathers and the Pope as the Holy Father. So, I believe that this aspect of Catholic practice is wrongheaded.
This is making crap up:
Catholics worship the Virgin Mary!
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Nobody is lying.....just because they disagree with you...as I do, I was brought up Pentecostal and what you are claiming is their belief is utterly wrong!!...you heard a story from a young woman?,,,did you bother to verify it??? even if that where true, that is NOT the belief of majority Pentecostals...are you not aware that in EVERY denomination there are persons who's beliefs differ?...don't paint every Christian Pentecostal because of some persons "story"...
Potato potaato. Suppose if they dont worship her they should stop saying the Hail mary eh? I know I know blah blah blah its them asking her to interceed for them... I suppose I could pray to mother teresa too & she could interceed for me too... not. My husband grew up in the Catholic Church an alter boy. His mother taught catocism and still doesnt know the Lord. When you sit in fellowship with another beliver you feel the presence of the Lord and that is a beautiful thing. What also is a beautiful thing is questioning what you are taught and making a decision when you see so many flaws in your Church that are absolutely contrary to the Bible. Now you are a most articulate well spoken young poster who can definitely give us all a lesson in how to say potato.
they dont say the Hail mary?? thats strange. As far as the pentecostal Church's go the only experience I have there is the day of my salvation... The best day of my life! Praise the Lord! If people are being filled with the Holy Spirit in these other churches thats great cause its the most awesome thing I've ever experienced. I do thank God for the Catholic church because it gave my husband his foundation that enabled him to receive the Lord later & my father in law was the most awesome loving man loyal to the Catholic church & I'm certain he's with the Lord. Not all individuals have the same experiences I guess and I need to remember that my experiences dont necessarily reflect others. With that I apologise.
that was my point before I started getting attacked because I accused the orginal poster who started this thread, of promoting half-truth with his post. for he lumped all pentecostal together, as far as I know all pentecostal around here believe that speaking tongues are the evidence of receiving the Holy Ghost, so if some do and some don't then to lump them all togather is promoting half truth about pentecostals. the only reason I posted this post about the upci was because some lady came in claiming she was pentecostal and that pentecostal did not believe that speaking in tongues were the evidence of being saved!!
well you might want to check also for if one group of pentecostal believe what i said then my post was not wrong as the lady blasted that it was!1 I know what the pentecostal believe around here I was just at one not long ago and they tried to get a lady that came up to speak tongue they told her to start with abba abba, over and over again said it was like starting with baby talk
no dude you came in the middle of a disscussion, go back and check the other post. The lady said that I was wrong about pentecostal , that she was pentecostal and that pentecostal didn't believe what i said so I showed proof that at least one group of them did. I know there are different branches in the Baptist, pentecostal, and even the catholic , Church, I had a devout catholic grandma tell me one time that she didn't want to have anything to do with the Christian, Jesus. that was the whole point of tell the one that started this thread to put all together was promoting half-truth
Ok, fine. But what about how you treated me with my issue? I trust that's not busybody meddling? 
Keep it up "Pastor" Keith.
Keep it up "Pastor" Keith.
so some time back i said something that upset you, and you have hung on to that and now you set out for revenge against me , and you accuse me of not being lined up with scriptures! hhhhmmmmmVERY INTERESTING!!!!!!!!!! I can be your friend after all this has settled down can you be my friend????