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Then endorse it correctly. Paul's message is not offensive to me in the manner in which you intend to imply. Paul's message as intended to be and is offensive to the sin in my life. This a quality of all of Gods word.
Scripture is not something we use to bludgeon other believers. The scripture is a two edged sword that God uses to divide between the thoughts and intents of our hearts.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Scripture is not something we use to bludgeon other believers. The scripture is a two edged sword that God uses to divide between the thoughts and intents of our hearts.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Fear and bondage to insecurity is no way to live the Christian life, yet neither is having a casual attitude towards sin or being a smug Christian. Notice that Philippians 2:12 says to "work out" your salvation, not work for. The Greek verb rendered "work out" means to continually work to bring something to fulfillment or completion. We continue to grow spiritually after we have been saved through faith. To work out our salvation refers to the believer's responsibility for active pursuit of obedience in the process of ongoing sanctification. The justified person is actively involved in submitting to God's will, resisting sin, and growing in grace.
Significantly, ongoing sanctification has no bearing on justification. That is, even if we don't live a sinless perfect life (which we won't), we are still justified by faith in Christ (Romans 5:1). You will notice that verse 12 does not end with a period, but with a comma. It would be incorrect to stop reading there, for we would not understand what God was inspiring Paul to tell us. Verse 13 continues, after a comma, "for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose." Fear and trembling is the attitude with which Christians are to pursue their ongoing ongoing sanctification. It involves a healthy fear of offending God and a righteous awe and respect for Him (Proverbs 1:7; Psalm 34:9; Isaiah 66:2), not fear of going to hell if you don't live a sinless life.
Significantly, ongoing sanctification has no bearing on justification. That is, even if we don't live a sinless perfect life (which we won't), we are still justified by faith in Christ (Romans 5:1). You will notice that verse 12 does not end with a period, but with a comma. It would be incorrect to stop reading there, for we would not understand what God was inspiring Paul to tell us. Verse 13 continues, after a comma, "for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose." Fear and trembling is the attitude with which Christians are to pursue their ongoing ongoing sanctification. It involves a healthy fear of offending God and a righteous awe and respect for Him (Proverbs 1:7; Psalm 34:9; Isaiah 66:2), not fear of going to hell if you don't live a sinless life.
Kathryn, in case you haven't seen this already, this idea is what the gnostics in the early church period believed according to the witness of Irenaeus, who was a disciple of Polycarp, who was a disciple of the apostle John. This is what he wrote in Against Heresies.
In other words, they believed that they had grace as a possession that could not be taken away from them, regardless of what they did.
See if you notice the similarities between what the gnostics believed and what is being taught here by OSAS and Modern Grace folks.
In other words, they believed that they had grace as a possession that could not be taken away from them, regardless of what they did.
See if you notice the similarities between what the gnostics believed and what is being taught here by OSAS and Modern Grace folks.
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God has not required me to be responsible for how men receive the message only to declare the message to all me.
It is the Holy Spirit that makes the message clear in the hearts of the hearers.
Unbelievers are already at enmity with God. Why do we feel it necessary to get unbelievers sanctified before we get them saved?
Gods grace produces a new nature in the unbeliever. The new nature seeks righteousness and shuns evil. If it isn't there He isn't there.
The Arminian view of salvation able to be lost always overstates the desire to sin.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
It is the Holy Spirit that makes the message clear in the hearts of the hearers.
Unbelievers are already at enmity with God. Why do we feel it necessary to get unbelievers sanctified before we get them saved?
Gods grace produces a new nature in the unbeliever. The new nature seeks righteousness and shuns evil. If it isn't there He isn't there.
The Arminian view of salvation able to be lost always overstates the desire to sin.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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I don't rush to defend sinful behavior I have seen the results of it. I defend people who are struggling with thier human nature and have not yet learned the difference between yielding to God and trying to control themselves by "obeying the law"
The former brings forth fruit, the latter leads to frustration.
The former brings forth fruit, the latter leads to frustration.
If thew gospel we preach does not make people say.."what?..are you saying we can just sin all we want now?"..if they don not say that..we have not preached the gospel..we gave him a man-centered doctrine.
Grace is scandalous which is why it is attacked by D.I.Y. righteousness/holiness adherents
All sin is wrong and destructive..When we understand grace..we will not allow sin to be master over us. But we need to hear the real gospel of the grace of Christ.
Romans 1:16-17 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, "BUT THE RIGHTEOUS man SHALL LIVE BY FAITH."
I love promoting grace. Christ died for all our sins, we are not under law but under grace.
But that is depending on something.
But if you are led by the spirit you are not under law
Some are preaching it makes no difference if you are led by the spirit or the flesh all your life, you still make it to heaven
Might sound nice and cosy to say that, but that isn't what the bible states
But that is depending on something.
But if you are led by the spirit you are not under law
Some are preaching it makes no difference if you are led by the spirit or the flesh all your life, you still make it to heaven
Might sound nice and cosy to say that, but that isn't what the bible states
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Why would I be afraid of a God that sacrificed Jesus for me????? The most precious, perfect Son for me???? His love casts out fear. Trusting in Jesus doesn't leave me frightened and shaky instead from the bottom of my heart I love Him because he first loved me. I love Him because he is faithful to me. (even when I mess up)
When we know who we are in Christ and grow in the knowledge and grace that is in Him....we become established in the "word of righteousness". The whole gospel is stating that it is the righteousness of God..
Romans 1:16-17 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, "BUT THE RIGHTEOUS man SHALL LIVE BY FAITH."
When we see who we are in Christ..that He is our righteousness!..We just naturally become who we really are in Him. unfortunately religion says..you have to do this or that in order to be righteous..they are not submitting themselves to God's righteousness.
So..knowing our righteousness in Christ...this scripture come alive to us now with no condemnation.
1 Corinthians 15:34 (KJV)
[SUP]34 [/SUP] Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God:
Romans 1:16-17 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, "BUT THE RIGHTEOUS man SHALL LIVE BY FAITH."
When we see who we are in Christ..that He is our righteousness!..We just naturally become who we really are in Him. unfortunately religion says..you have to do this or that in order to be righteous..they are not submitting themselves to God's righteousness.
So..knowing our righteousness in Christ...this scripture come alive to us now with no condemnation.
1 Corinthians 15:34 (KJV)
[SUP]34 [/SUP] Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God:
If people are trying to control themselves by obeying the law they will probably end up worse sinners.
Grace sets people free
But grace that says you can act however you like all your life and make it to heaven is not bible grace, just man made, and ruins the lives of many who believe it
Its as bad as legalism
Grace sets people free
But grace that says you can act however you like all your life and make it to heaven is not bible grace, just man made, and ruins the lives of many who believe it
Its as bad as legalism
No one say..go out and sin all you want.. but when we "hear" about acceptance grace..these thoughts come to our minds..This how grace believers say about the Christian and sin..how do we overcome the sin that we struggle with?
Awake to who you are in Christ!..Awake to righteousness..when you see who you are in Him in your new man..you become like Him outwardly.
2 Corinthians 3:17-18 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.
Hebrews 5:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For everyone who partakes only of milk is not accustomed to the word of righteousness, for he is an infant.
Romans 5:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.
Isaiah 54:14 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] "In righteousness you will be established; You will be far from oppression, for you will not fear; And from terror, for it will not come near you.
2 Corinthians 5:21 (NASB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
When you see who you are in Christ because of His finished work...you become outwardly in behavior what you are truly like in your new inner man where Christ dwells..
Awake to who you are in Christ!..Awake to righteousness..when you see who you are in Him in your new man..you become like Him outwardly.
2 Corinthians 3:17-18 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.
Hebrews 5:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For everyone who partakes only of milk is not accustomed to the word of righteousness, for he is an infant.
Romans 5:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.
Isaiah 54:14 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] "In righteousness you will be established; You will be far from oppression, for you will not fear; And from terror, for it will not come near you.
2 Corinthians 5:21 (NASB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
When you see who you are in Christ because of His finished work...you become outwardly in behavior what you are truly like in your new inner man where Christ dwells..
The reason we need to have the fear of the lord is because of the deceitfulness of the human heart and GOD"s hatred for sin. The fear of the lord is [the beginning of) knowledge and wisdom.
And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the Lord, that [is] wisdom; and to depart from evil [is] understanding. Job 28:28
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, and all that act accordingly have a good understanding; his praise endures for ever and ever. Psalms 111:10
The fear of the LORD [is] the beginning of knowledge: [but] fools despise wisdom and instruction. Proverbs 1:7
And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the Lord, that [is] wisdom; and to depart from evil [is] understanding. Job 28:28
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, and all that act accordingly have a good understanding; his praise endures for ever and ever. Psalms 111:10
The fear of the LORD [is] the beginning of knowledge: [but] fools despise wisdom and instruction. Proverbs 1:7