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Not sure why rational people could think they are succeeding in a discussion when they wrongly represent the person who disagrees with them?
Christians here who are seeking to share grace in it's fullness are not saying they are sinless in their flesh, they are learning HOW TO SIN LESS. None of us have claimed sinless perfection.
Personally., if the only way someone can "win" (if that is what they are seeking while we discuss the Bible) if the only way to make sense of their opinion is by mis representing what someone has said than they are not really winning anything.
Are we not supposed to be 'reasoning together'?????? Isn't the goal - our goal - for us to come closer to understanding the truth as Christians here on CC?
Ahh...yes..we certainly do have to control our body!..mine never wants top exercise but it does seem to want to eat all the time.
I agree 100% that we need to discipline our body and make it our slave as Paul says...
It's interesting the term KJV uses .."keep under " my body is only used 2x in the NT...the word actually means = “to strike under the eye”...It refers to a constant beating...it certainly sounds like Paul really subdued his body to do what HE wanted it to do and not give in to it....
Complete Biblical Library Greek-English Dictionary, The - The Complete Biblical Library Greek-English Dictionary – Sigma-Omega.
I agree 100% that we need to discipline our body and make it our slave as Paul says...
It's interesting the term KJV uses .."keep under " my body is only used 2x in the NT...the word actually means = “to strike under the eye”...It refers to a constant beating...it certainly sounds like Paul really subdued his body to do what HE wanted it to do and not give in to it....
Complete Biblical Library Greek-English Dictionary, The - The Complete Biblical Library Greek-English Dictionary – Sigma-Omega.
Sin is overcome, not your master by living under grace, not law. You can only sin in your flesh
It is a puzzle to me, but a few who believe only they understand true grace keep impressing in the flesh christians are always a slave to sin, sin is therefore their master.
That oppose Paul's message of grace
It is a puzzle to me, but a few who believe only they understand true grace keep impressing in the flesh christians are always a slave to sin, sin is therefore their master.
That oppose Paul's message of grace
We are not schizophrenic Christians with 2 natures...that is ridiculous...that's like saying we are a man and a woman at the same time...
We are in the flesh...but the flesh is not the real us..the body is our earth suit if you will...the body itself is not evil..it's the flesh that is in it that also has the power of sin in it....and this "sin" in our flesh will remain until we die physically .
If we don not understand our true identity in Christ..our whole Christian walk will be stunned. We will remain baby Christians no matter how much "bible knowledge " we have....
But if people want to think they have multiple identities.....then go for it....but we will never grow up in Him by believing gin this way.
We are in the flesh...but the flesh is not the real us..the body is our earth suit if you will...the body itself is not evil..it's the flesh that is in it that also has the power of sin in it....and this "sin" in our flesh will remain until we die physically .
If we don not understand our true identity in Christ..our whole Christian walk will be stunned. We will remain baby Christians no matter how much "bible knowledge " we have....
But if people want to think they have multiple identities.....then go for it....but we will never grow up in Him by believing gin this way.
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Now what kind of a thing is that for you to write?? A faith rooted in denial?? It's rooted in what the Bible says and not how I feel. I see no point in insulting other believers HeRose., why do you do that?
what kind of fruit do you think that will yield in our conversations here? Does it bring you satisfaction when you put someone down like that? What's the point???
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That's a good question and long overdue. It might be better to know what it isn't. It's not an old man, old self, old nature, sin-nature, self-nature, Adam-nature, human nature, a murderer or a boogeyman. What it is, the flesh (sarx), as it is used in reference to our behavior is those patterns of selfish and sinful action and reaction within our desires.
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Thats whats tough...............we are already PERFECT being in Christ, we just don't realize it yet.
our inheritance is in our account. This is where work is involved. We need to grow in grace and knowledge to fully realize what is already there.
New American Standard Bible
Now I say, as long as the heir is a child, he does not differ at all from a slave although he is owner of everything,
our inheritance is in our account. This is where work is involved. We need to grow in grace and knowledge to fully realize what is already there.
New American Standard Bible
Now I say, as long as the heir is a child, he does not differ at all from a slave although he is owner of everything,