Are we sinners?

[Gr8grace]

Galatians 5:13

For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.


This scripture is about not using the liberty we have in Christ to continue on living sinful lives, giving into our fleshly desires. Paul gives a strict warning along with this that those who do continue to give into the flesh living those sinful lifestyles will not receive eternal life.

Its not always just sin. self-righteousness or doing good independently from God is giving occasion to the flesh.

 

[KennethC]

Amen!....Yes..we are risen with Christ!..that is a so true!...again Kenneth..it's the acceptance gracew that causes a stumbling block to people..

we all agree what a person's life should look like if they walk according to the Spirit within them...

That is not true Grace777x70 as by saying we all, you are defending others on here who have said they don't have to.

The walk can not be separated from the faith, and that is what James was trying to show us as well as John too.

Saying we don't overcome or have victory over sin is not Grace talking, under Grace we do have this !!!

 

[ladylynn]

Morality is not even a point in the Christian way of life.

We can live a life that is moral to the core...................and not live one second in Spirituality or the Christian way of life.

Christ in you., the hope of glory. (verse came to mind when I read your post) It has to be said yet again., the law is good but it has no power to make anyone good., the law is right but it has no power to make anyone righteous. The effects of being saved shows that the 'root' is Christ and the works are the fruits of the HolySpirit. Works are not the root of salvation, works are the fruits of salvation.

 

[KennethC]

Its not always just sin. self-righteousness or doing good independently from God is giving occasion to the flesh.

Ummmmmm

Self-righteousness or doing for self is sin !!!

Anything not of the faith is sin....................Romans 14:23


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[Grace777x70]

Who says we don't overcome sin through grace?..see..this is where the craziness comes in.....


let me ask those people that believe in the grace of Christ...are we under sin?..doomed to live by it's dominion over us?

For my answer = definitely not and I have never said sin would have dominion us.


I will let the rest answer...for themselves

That is not true Grace777x70 as by saying we all, you are defending others on here who have said they don't have to.

The walk can not be separated from the faith, and that is what James was trying to show us as well as John too.

Saying we don't overcome or have victory over sin is not Grace talking, under Grace we do have this !!!

 

[kathryn]

Amen!....Yes..we are risen with Christ!..that is a so true!...again Kenneth..it's the acceptance gracew that causes a stumbling block to people..

we all agree what a person's life should look like if they walk according to the Spirit within them...

I don't know of anyone who disagrees concerning acceptance grace. The stumbling block here is after that in my view

 

[Gr8grace]

Do you not have the Holy Spirit guiding in you and helping you ???

You talk sometimes like I have seen others on here talk as if they are all alone, and this no victory or no overcoming mindset is a sign of that.

Paul compared the faith in Christ to a race, yet some of you on here act as if the race has already been ran !!!

This is why I think some of you would treat Paul as a heretic now days, because He did not treat God's grace in a way that He could just sit back and do nothing. He taught on that our role is a very active one, striving, standing firm, and ever growing being careful not to be lead astray !!!

I would tend to lean towards the fact that the Grace adherents on this forums probably do more "works" and are busier than the "works" crowd. I would bet on it and bet a lot of money on it. They don't need to have a "braggamony" they got Grace.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Morality is not even a point in the Christian way of life.

We can live a life that is moral to the core...................and not live one second in Spirituality or the Christian way of life.

But righteousness is everything. If the spirit you are living in is not the righteousness of GOD, your 'spirituality' means nothing.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Who says we don't overcome sin through grace?..see..this is where the craziness comes in.....
let me ask those people that believe in the grace of Christ...are we under sin?..doomed to live by it's dominion over us?
For my answer = definitely not and I have never said sin would have dominion us.
I will let the rest answer...for themselves

I say and the bible says. We overcome through faith, not grace.

For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, [even] our faith. 1 John 5:4​

 

[ladylynn]

But one of your number does say if you constantly follow after the flesh all of your life you still attain heaven.

One of my number? Aren't we all of the same number? No one has advocated that a true born again blood bought child of God will be constantly following after the flesh allll their life as a Christian. But people make these silly scenarios like this....

..."Ok, so you get saved and for a few weeks you are fine but then you become a high priest in satanism., are you still saved?"

What kind of question is that?! Yet it gets asked all the time. If it is to prove that if a person truly got saved and somehow ended up in a satanic cult., is Jesus blood enough to keep them? Is Jesus promise that none shall be lost to Him still stand.?. YES., we have to say it does if they were really saved. But quite often those people only made a profession of Christ and were not POSSESSING Christ and no change had take place.

 

[Gr8grace]

But righteousness is everything. If the spirit you are living in is not the righteousness of GOD, your 'spirituality' means nothing.

Exactly. living in morality, in the flesh, or trying to make the flesh righteous is an act of futility.
A life time wasted and works burned.

We already have perfect righteousness in Christ and our new creation. We can't add to it.

So morality does nothing for the Christian way of life. It may be beneficial and may result from living the Spiritual life. But has absolutely nothing to do with our Christian way of life.

 

[kathryn]

One of my number? Aren't we all of the same number? No one has advocated that a true born again blood bought child of God will be constantly following after the flesh allll their life as a Christian. But people make these silly scenarios like this....

..."Ok, so you get saved and for a few weeks you are fine but then you become a high priest in satanism., are you still saved?"

What kind of question is that?! Yet it gets asked all the time. If it is to prove that if a person truly got saved and somehow ended up in a satanic cult., is Jesus blood enough to keep them? Is Jesus promise that none shall be lost to Him still stand.?. YES., we have to say it does if they were really saved. But quite often those people only made a profession of Christ and were not POSSESSING Christ and no change had take place.

Grace 770 has stated if someone constantly all their life follows after the flesh rather than the spirit their physical body is destroyed but they themselves still inherit eternal life.

That is not biblical in my view

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Its not always just sin. self-righteousness or doing good independently from God is giving occasion to the flesh.

Doing good independently of GOD. What does that mean?

 

[kathryn]

Exactly. living in morality, in the flesh, or trying to make the flesh righteous is an act of futility.
A life time wasted and works burned.

We already have perfect righteousness in Christ and our new creation. We can't add to it.

So morality does nothing for the Christian way of life. It may be beneficial and may result from living the Spiritual life. But has absolutely nothing to do with our Christian way of life.

Morality does nothing for the christian way of life?

It has nothing to do with our christian way of life?

You left me speechless, dumbstruck in fact

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Grace 770 has stated if someone constantly all their life follows after the flesh rather than the spirit their physical body is destroyed but they themselves still inherit eternal life.

That is not biblical in my view

It's not. It's gnostic and Calvinist.

 

[blondieindahouse]

Grace 770 has stated if someone constantly all their life follows after the flesh rather than the spirit their physical body is destroyed but they themselves still inherit eternal life.

That is not biblical in my view

Ive actually heard that before.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Exactly. living in morality, in the flesh, or trying to make the flesh righteous is an act of futility.
A life time wasted and works burned.

We already have perfect righteousness in Christ and our new creation. We can't add to it.

So morality does nothing for the Christian way of life. It may be beneficial and may result from living the Spiritual life. But has absolutely nothing to do with our Christian way of life.

The problem is, if a person is living in their own morality, let's say, eschewing any kind of self-effort because it's not grace, then they are not living in the righteousness of GOD. Correct doctrine is everything.

 

[kathryn]

It's not. It's gnostic and Calvinist.

Brace yourself, we will be told we are steeped in legalism soon!

 

[blondieindahouse]

Morality is not even a point in the Christian way of life.

We can live a life that is moral to the core...................and not live one second in Spirituality or the Christian way of life.

I agree with that! We all know people who do many good things in their lives. BUT.....they have never accepted the gospel.

 

[KennethC]

I would tend to lean towards the fact that the Grace adherents on this forums probably do more "works" and are busier than the "works" crowd. I would bet on it and bet a lot of money on it. They don't need to have a "braggamony" they got Grace.

Now you are just being ridiculous and trying to spin things........

No body is bragging about works they do, and I don't even know where you come up with this straw man.

Are you trying to deflect the question asked to you by this ???

The whole debates used about: works earning, bragging about works, and such are all faulty debates that nobody has ever said here. Please this needs to stop, listen to what a person actually saying !!!

Works are proof of one who is saved.......Is not the same as saying........Works earn

They are completely opposite thinking !!!