I just ate pepperoni, now what?

[DP]

I don't worry about it, however medical evidence is available that the things God forbid to be eaten really are not very good for you. We don't eat pork or shellfish at my home, with the exception of the occasional pepperoni pizza.

And the medical evidence confirms God didn't change His unclean list of meats. He created all things, so shouldn't He know what is healthy for us to eat and what is not?

Likewise, Apostle Paul didn't change that list either in 1 Tim.4, though that's not how a lot of Churches teach it. They most often leave out the point in bold red that Paul said:

1 Tim 4:3-5
3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.


4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
KJV

The meats God created to be received with thanksgiving is about His clean list, not the unclean list.

Paul in 1 Corinthians 10 set the NT doctrine on this matter. He said whatever is sold in the shambles (market), that eat, asking no questions for conscience sake. And when bid to the unbeliever's house for dinner, eat what is put before you, asking no question for conscience sake.

That's how Paul defined our liberty in Christ Jesus per the New Covenant. Yet it still does not mean the unclean meats suddenly became healthy for our body. Many things God told Israel to do back in the OT was about the way He made His creation (i.e, real science), like washing pots and utensils in running water instead of stagnate germ-laden water.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

And the medical evidence confirms God didn't change His unclean list of meats. He created all things, so shouldn't He know what is healthy for us to eat and what is not?

Likewise, Apostle Paul didn't change that list either in 1 Tim.4, though that's not how a lot of Churches teach it. They most often leave out the point in bold red that Paul said:

1 Tim 4:3-5
3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.


4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
KJV

The meats God created to be received with thanksgiving is about His clean list, not the unclean list.

Paul in 1 Corinthians 10 set the NT doctrine on this matter. He said whatever is sold in the shambles (market), that eat, asking no questions for conscience sake. And when bid to the unbeliever's house for dinner, eat what is put before you, asking no question for conscience sake.

That's how Paul defined our liberty in Christ Jesus per the New Covenant. Yet it still does not mean the unclean meats suddenly became healthy for our body. Many things God told Israel to do back in the OT was about the way He made His creation (i.e, real science), like washing pots and utensils in running water instead of stagnate germ-laden water.

Might want to include the first two verses of that chapter.

Colossians 2:16

[SUP]16 [/SUP]Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

 

[DP]

Might want to include the first two verses of that chapter.

Colossians 2:16

[SUP]16 [/SUP]Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

No problem with that either, but don't assume I'm saying don't eat meat, because that would be bearing false witness against what I have said before:

1 Tim 4:1-2
4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;


2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
KJV


Yet what I was speaking is Scriptural, as I covered what Paul taught in 1 Cor.10 about eating whatever is sold in the market ("shambles"). It's not a Salvation matter what we eat. But it still... is a flesh health matter.

And that's what this kind of debate is about, those who think by praying over your food means God will suddenly make it healthy to your body, vs. God not changing how He made us and His creation, which is why He gave the difference between the clean and the unclean meats.

Because many of the Churches aren't teaching the difference, that's why there exists so much junk food on the market, and some folks are addicted to it, and it's making their bodies unhealthy.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Red dragon meat? Uh... dinosaurs have been dead for up to several thousand years.

I was speaking of a mystery.

Psalm 74:14
Thou brakest the heads of leviathan in pieces, and gavest him to be meat to the people inhabiting the wilderness.

 

[KohenMatt]

I don't eat pork or shellfish as I believe the Clean/Unclean food laws found in Leviticus 11 and Deuteronomy 14 are still applicable, despite Peter's vision.

However, you shouldn't feel bad because of what someone on this forum says or does. You should do what the Holy Spirit teaches you through Scripture. If the Holy Spirits nudges you when you eat pork, you should listen to God's Spirit.

The awesome thing about God's forgiveness is that if you did eat, you're forgiven.

 

[deesandpooh]

God has his reasons for saying why things are clean and unclean.if you do your research on pigs...there discusting,but then agin with all the stuff they put in todays food that would be considered unclean too.me personaly i dont eat pork,shellfish ecx..but i definitly am not going to say your going to hell if you do.infact every now and then i forget to pick every bacon piece off something are i eat shrimp roman noodles.Iv even had biscutsand gravy once are twice.but mostly i dont.

 

[deesandpooh]

Oh it actully says in the bible we arent suppose to fight bout these kind of matters.

 

[notuptome]

I don't eat pork or shellfish as I believe the Clean/Unclean food laws found in Leviticus 11 and Deuteronomy 14 are still applicable, despite Peter's vision.

However, you shouldn't feel bad because of what someone on this forum says or does. You should do what the Holy Spirit teaches you through Scripture. If the Holy Spirits nudges you when you eat pork, you should listen to God's Spirit.

The awesome thing about God's forgiveness is that if you did eat, you're forgiven.

Peters vision is not about food but about people.

Keeping Kosher does not make you Jewish any more than standing in the garage makes you a car.

Charity toward one another is more of a guide than the Kosher laws.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[deesandpooh]

I was speaking of a mystery.

Psalm 74:14
Thou brakest the heads of leviathan in pieces, and gavest him to be meat to the people inhabiting the wilderness.

can i get a leviathan steak with my milkshake and fries please?lol

 

[deesandpooh]

Turkey hotdogs and turkey pepperoni is yummy so is beef sausage.better for you and lower in fat.

 

[KennethC]

Might want to include the first two verses of that chapter.

Colossians 2:16

[SUP]16 [/SUP]Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Not to mention all the other scriptures that says we are allowed to eat whatever we want, because food does not commend us to God.

There is only 4 restrictions about eating given in the NT.........

1) Not to eat/drink the blood

2) Not to eat things strangled

3) Not to eat things that we know was offered to idols

4) Not to eat in front of others if it will cause them to stumble

That is it !!!

 

[KennethC]

Peters vision is not about food but about people.

Keeping Kosher does not make you Jewish any more than standing in the garage makes you a car.

Charity toward one another is more of a guide than the Kosher laws.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Peter's vision had a duel meaning !!!

It applied to people and food both, and other scripture confirm this. We need to stop when defending one side over the other, keep just using the two passages of Peter's vision and 1 Timothy 4. There are more scriptures on showing we can eat whatever we want now !!!

 

[p_rehbein]

]Peter's vision had a duel meaning !!![/B]

It applied to people and food both, and other scripture confirm this. We need to stop when defending one side over the other, keep just using the two passages of Peter's vision and 1 Timothy 4. There are more scriptures on showing we can eat whatever we want now !!!

True.

I had port roast for New Years dinner.........that and black eyed peas, cabbage and corn bread........mmmmmm

 

[inJC]

I am sorry to be the one to tell you. Eating the unclean separates one from God. It is forbidden to eat anything that God has declared to be unclean. If you have, then you need to repent and ask God for forgiveness. the blood of Jesus can cleanse us from all unrighteousness. You must stop eating pepperoni.

 

[inJC]

when Jesus finished feeding the 5,000 people He asked His disciples to gather whatever remained and they gathered up 12 baskets of bread pieces Does this not tell us that Jesus is frugal, he does not waste.
Contrast with His experience with the demon possessed man at Gaderene. The demons asked for permission to enter into the herd of swine. Immediately they ran violently down the cliff into the sea and were choked. Consider 2000 pigs x 200 lbs each x $3 lb = 1.2 million dollars of pork. Jesus obviously never regarded swine as food. The owners of the pigs certainly did and because they suffered loss of their pigs they would not listen to Jesus. Today we have the same thing. People desire to fulfill their appetites more than to serve Jesus. If you repent He will accept you.

 

[p_rehbein]

I am sorry to be the one to tell you. Eating the unclean separates one from God. It is forbidden to eat anything that God has declared to be unclean. If you have, then you need to repent and ask God for forgiveness. the blood of Jesus can cleanse us from all unrighteousness. You must stop eating pepperoni.

Romans 14:10) But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
11 .) For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
12 .) So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
13 .) Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
14 .) I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.

 

[Brother_Don]

Maybe take some rolaids, or pepto, i'm not sure why you are asking now what.

 

[posthuman]

It is forbidden to eat anything that God has declared to be unclean.

it is forbidden to call unclean what God has called clean.

have a look at Mark 7:19.

 

[posthuman]

after eating, digestion, from which the body receives energy - then expelling waste.

 

[Brother_Don]

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(NKJV) Romans 14:1 - Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things.
2 For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables.
3 Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for Elohim has received him.
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Here we are told to receive one who is weak in the faith. For centuries, traditional Christianity has taught that this weak person is one who is still hanging onto so called "ceremonial" commandments in the law of Yahweh such as Sabbath observance and refraining from eating unclean animals as outlined in the 15th chapter of Leviticus.
If this were the case, we would need to classify Peter (Kepha) as one who is 'weak in faith.' For when Yahweh gave him a vision in Acts chapter 10, Kepha said "I have never eaten anything common or unclean."
This was many years after Messiah's resurrection. So was Kepha/Peter weak in faith? I think not:

Acts 3:6 - Then Peter said, "Silver and gold I do not have, but what I do have I give you: In the name of Yahushua the Messiah of Nazareth, rise up and walk." 7 And he took him by the right hand and lifted him up, and immediately his feet and ankle bones received strength.
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This doesn't sound like a man who is "weak in faith" to me. It was through faith that this man was healed. And didn't Yahushua pray that Kepha's faith would not fail?

Luk 22:31-32 - And the Master said, "Simon, Simon! Indeed, Satan has asked for you, that he may sift you as wheat.
32 "But I have prayed for you, that your faith should not fail; and when you have returned to Me, strengthen your brethren."
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Consider also that Paul himself would have to be classified as 'weak in faith' if this were the proper interpretation. For his custom was to observe the Sabbath:

Acts 17:2 -Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures,
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It can be shown that the disciples all kept the Sabbath 84 times in the New Testament. Were they all weak in faith also? I think not!
This is only the beginning of why I am fully persuaded that what is being talked about in Romans 14 could not be about the eating of unclean meats like pork or Sabbath breaking. It appears that the actual situation in Rome has to do with meat offered to idols.
However, this is not evident just by looking at the first few verses of Romans. We must read through the whole chapter before we really get an understanding of what is being talked about here.
So who is the one who is "weak in faith?"
In the 8th chapter of 1st Corinthians we read about a situation where they were dealing with weak brethren in relation to food as well:

1Co 8:10-13 - For if anyone sees you who have knowledge eating in an idol's temple, will not the conscience of him who is weak be emboldened to eat those things offered to idols?
11 And because of your knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Messiah died?
12 But when you thus sin against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, you sin against Messiah.
13 Therefore, if food makes my brother stumble, I will never again eat meat, lest I make my brother stumble.

The subject matter of 1 Corinthians 8 is whether or not it is appropriate to eat food that was offered to idols. The weak brother was one who had not yet overcome the temptation to worship idols. Let's look at these verses in full context:

1Co 8:1-13 - Now concerning things offered to idols: We know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffs up, but love edifies.
2 And if anyone thinks that he knows anything, he knows nothing yet as he ought to know.
3 But if anyone loves Elohim, this one is known by Him.
4 Therefore concerning the eating of things offered to idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is no other Elohim but one.
5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods and many lords),
6 yet for us there is one Elohim, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Master Yahushua Messiah, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.
7 However, there is not in everyone that knowledge; for some, with consciousness of the idol, until now eat it as a thing offered to an idol; and their conscience, being weak, is defiled.
8 But food does not commend us to Elohim; for neither if we eat are we the better, nor if we do not eat are we the worse.
9 But beware lest somehow this liberty of yours become a stumbling block to those who are weak.
10 For if anyone sees you who have knowledge eating in an idol's temple, will not the conscience of him who is weak be emboldened to eat those things offered to idols?
11 And because of your knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Messiah died?
12 But when you thus sin against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, you sin against Messiah.
13 Therefore, if food makes my brother stumble, I will never again eat meat, lest I make my brother stumble.
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If you didn't read the above chapter, please read it fully.
Notice that the strong brother is one who has knowledge that an "idol is nothing" whereas a weak brother is still being faced with temptations that the idol might actually be something deserving of honor or worship. The advice Paul gives in this situation is identical to the advice he gives in Romans 14. Namely, that while an idol is nothing, we should not do anything to cause another person to stumble. Consider the parallel here:

Rom 14:15 - Yet if your brother is grieved because of your food, you are no longer walking in love. Do not destroy with your food the one for whom Messiah died.
1Co 8:11-12 - And because of your knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Messiah died?
12 But when you thus sin against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, you sin against Messiah.
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And again:

Rom 14:21 - It is good neither to eat meat nor drink wine nor do anything by which your brother stumbles or is offended or is made weak.
1Co 8:13 - Therefore, if food makes my brother stumble, I will never again eat meat, lest I make my brother stumble.
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So we have almost identical statements coming out of both chapters. The verses in 1 Corinthians are more descriptive in that he is specifically speaking of food offered to idols, but Romans 14 is a bit more vague and open to interpretation.
or this reason, traditional Christianity has taught Romans 14 justifies Sabbath breaking and eating unclean animals.
But lets continue looking at the situation in Corinth and try to get a deeper understanding of Paul's expectations with them:

1Co 10:24-26 - Let no one seek his own, but each one the other's well-being.
25 Eat whatever is sold in the meat market, asking no questions for conscience' sake;
26 for "the earth is Yahweh's, and all its fullness." (quoting Psalm 24:1)
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