Vote on Obsession with confession(1st John 1:9,sin confession)

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

If all sin has been forgiven, what are you guilty of?

This can only mean that you think there is no guilt when sin is committed. Lawlessness.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Why would God be impressing a sense of guilt upon those He has declared not guilty? Sounds more like the accuser of the brethren to me.

The rationalization of a lawless mind.

 

[FreeNChrist]

The rationalization of a lawless mind.

That all sounds so very "accusing."


Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying,

“Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, he who accuses them before our God day and night." Rev. 12:10

 

[Grace777x70]

1 John 2:1-2 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous;
[SUP]2 [/SUP] and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.

Jesus is our lawyer standing beside the Father to show all that His Blood paid for it all.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

if our heart condemns us

G2607 καταγινώσκω kataginosko = "to know something against"... our heart knows when we do something wrong

Notice that even if our heart does " know something against us "..God comes in and reassures us ..God is greater then our heart and knows who we are in Christ despite our failure....this is what He witnesses to...God witnesses to the righteousness that is in Christ Jesus and we are in Him.

because if our heart condemns us, because God is greater than our heart and knows all [things].

This is the same word used in Galatians 2:11 to describe Peter being condemned for his hypocrisy.

​But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed [him] to his face, because he was condemned. Galatians 2:11​

 

[Grace777x70]

Cool...Good one.......Peter's heart knew something against himself....which is probably why we don't see in scripture him arguing with Paul about his hypocrisy...

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

if our heart condemns us

G2607 καταγινώσκω kataginosko = "to know something against"... our heart knows when we do something wrong

Notice that even if our heart does " know something against us "..God comes in and reassures us ..God is greater then our heart and knows who we are in Christ despite our failure....this is what He witnesses to...God witnesses to the righteousness that is in Christ Jesus and we are in Him.

because if our heart condemns us, because God is greater than our heart and knows all [things].

Same word used in Deuteronomy 25:1 in the Septuagint

And if there should be a dispute between men, and they should come forward to judgment, and [the judges] judge, and justify the righteous, and condemn the wicked: Deuteronomy 25:1​

 

[Grace777x70]

.....I heard through the grapevine that we have a New Covenant now......so now Christians are "the wicked )..oh brother....I'm pretty sure that Jesus is still our Advocate now...just sayin'...

 

[Grace777x70]

I can see this is going to be one of those wasted times again.....ya'll have a great day and be blessed!!

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

if our heart condemns us

G2607 καταγινώσκω kataginosko = "to know something against"... our heart knows when we do something wrong

Notice that even if our heart does " know something against us "..God comes in and reassures us ..God is greater then our heart and knows who we are in Christ despite our failure....this is what He witnesses to...God witnesses to the righteousness that is in Christ Jesus and we are in Him.

because if our heart condemns us, because God is greater than our heart and knows all [things].

καταγινώσκω

Theological Dictionary of the New Testament
kataginṓskō, akatágnōstos. The verb means “to note,” “to see something in someone,” “to know to be guilty,” “to judge,” “to take a low view of.” It is rare in the LXX, where it means “to condemn” (Dt. 25:1) and “to scorn” (Prov. 28:11). Condemnatory self-knowledge is the point in 1 Jn. 3:20–21. “Detected” (or “condemned”) is the meaning in Gal. 2:11. akatágnōstos means “one against whom no fault can be alleged or accusation sustained”; it occurs in the NT only in Tit. 2:8.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

.....I heard through the grapevine that we have a New Covenant now......so now Christians are "the wicked )..oh brother....I'm pretty sure that Jesus is still our Advocate now...just sayin'...

False characterization. Christians doing wickedness doesn't turn them into children of the devil. Jesus is our advocate to whom we can always turn to for forgiveness when our heart condemns us for wrongdoing.

 

[Grace777x70]

Strong's Number: <G2607>
Original Word: [FONT="Galatia Sil" !important]καταγινώσκω[/FONT], [FONT="Gentium" !important]kataginōskō[/FONT]
Usage Notes: "to know something against" ([FONT="Gentium" !important]kata[/FONT], "against," [FONT="Gentium" !important]ginōskō[/FONT], "to know by experience"),

As I say..this is endless and a complete waste of time...

Vine's Expository Dictionary of Old Testament and New Testament Words.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Strong's Number: <G2607>
Original Word: [FONT="Galatia Sil" !important]καταγινώσκω[/FONT], [FONT="Gentium" !important]kataginōskō[/FONT]
Usage Notes: "to know something against" ([FONT="Gentium" !important]kata[/FONT], "against," [FONT="Gentium" !important]ginōskō[/FONT], "to know by experience"),

As I say..this is endless and a complete waste of time...

Vine's Expository Dictionary of Old Testament and New Testament Words.

Enhanced Strong’s Lexicon
2607 καταγινώσκω [kataginosko /kat·ag·in·o·sko/] v. From 2596 and 1097; TDNT 1:714; TDNTA 119; GK 2861; Three occurrences; AV translates as “condemn” twice, and “blame” once. 1 to find fault with, blame. 2 to accuse, condemn.

Dictionary of Biblical Languages With Semantic Domains: Greek (New Testament)
2861 καταγινώσκω (kataginōskō): vb.; ≡ Str 2607; TDNT 1.714—LN 30.118 condemn, convict (1Jn 3:20, 21+; Mk 7:2 v.r. NA26); (pass.) be in the wrong, be condemned (Gal 2:11+)

Johan Lust, Erik Eynikel and Katrin Hauspie, A Greek-English Lexicon of the Septuagint : Revised Edition (Deutsche Bibelgesellschaft: Stuttgart, 2003).
καταγινώσκω V 1-0-0-1-2=4
Dt 25,1; Prv 28,11; Sir 14,2; 19,5
to condemn [τινος] Dt 25,1; to damn, to curse [τινος] Sir 14,2; to disapprove Prv 28,11

Joseph Henry Thayer, A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament: Being Grimm's Wilke's Clavis Novi Testamenti (New York: Harper & Brothers., 1889), 330.
κατα-γινώσκω; pf. pass. ptcp. κατεγνωσμένος; to find fault with, blame: κατεγνωσμένος ἦν, he had incurred the censure of the Gentile Christians; Luther rightly, es war Klage über ihn kommen [i.e. a charge had been laid against him; but al. he stood condemned, see Meyer or Ellic. in loc.; cf. Bttm. § 134, 4. 8], Gal. 2:11; to accuse, condemn: τινός, any one, 1 Jn. 3:20 sq., with which cf. Sir. 14:2 μακάριος, οὗ οὐ κατέγνω ἡ ψυχὴ αὐτοῦ. (In these and other signif. in Grk. writ. fr. [Aeschyl. and] Hdt. down; [see Ellicott u. s.].)*

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Strong's Number: <G2607>
Original Word: [FONT="Galatia Sil" !important]καταγινώσκω[/FONT], [FONT="Gentium" !important]kataginōskō[/FONT]
Usage Notes: "to know something against" ([FONT="Gentium" !important]kata[/FONT], "against," [FONT="Gentium" !important]ginōskō[/FONT], "to know by experience"),

As I say..this is endless and a complete waste of time...

Vine's Expository Dictionary of Old Testament and New Testament Words.

Johannes P. Louw and Eugene Albert Nida, vol. 1, Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament: Based on Semantic Domains, 2nd edition. (New York: United Bible Societies, 1996), 364.
30.118 καταγινώσκω: to judge something to be bad—‘to condemn.’ ἐὰν καταγινώσκῃ ἡμῶν ἡ καρδία ‘if our hearts condemn us’ or ‘if our hearts say to us that we have done wrong’ 1 Jn 3:20.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

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A rich man is wise in his own conceit; but an knowledgeable poor man will condemn him. Proverbs 28:11

Condemn
G2607 καταγινώσκω kataginosko (kat-ag-in-o'-sko) v.
1. to note against, i.e. find fault with[/INDENT][/QUOTE]

 

[Grace777x70]

Proverbs 28:11 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] The rich man is wise in his own conceit; but the poor that hath understanding searcheth him out.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Proverbs 28:11 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] The rich man is wise in his own conceit; but the poor that hath understanding searcheth him out.

It's pretty clear that translation is inaccurate.

 

[Grace777x70]

oh brother.....it is endless with you ....God love ya'....

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

oh brother.....it is endless with you ....God love ya'....

Well at least you've got one thing right.

 

[Budman]

This can only mean that you think there is no guilt when sin is committed. Lawlessness.

There is no condemnation for us. None. Zero. Nada. Zilch.

We will never be judged judicially for sin - Jesus took all of God's wrath for us.

God says to all who trust in His Son; "Not Guilty!"

We have been declared righteous.

If we are in any way guilty, then we can be condemned.

So why feel guilty if we are not guilty?