The neo-Gnostic spirit of New.Modern.Hyper Grace
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I was joking... you told me before your tablet could not handle multiple pages open... but on the sides of every page are buttons for facebook and twitter and the like, for sharing. You can make them disappear, though they will come back every time you open a new page. I don't know if that has anything to do with what you are talking about or not...
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this is the Last post I'm sorry for tying up thread. The tablet can have those 'open' but nothing happens unless I go back to email and return to that spot. So they seem open but theyre frozen. I dont have those icons down the side, just this new annoying share bar. Anyone know what this is and how to get rid of it? Feel free to pm me. Heres how it looks when I type...
Well this pinpoints the difficulty in conversing at a productive level with you and others steeped in the new.modern.hyper grace elixir. I have repeatedly called what you and others proclaim to be lawless grace, but that charge is filtered through the "lens" that has descended over your minds to mean that I have accused devotees of proclaiming a license to sin. This is just a practiced talking point that is used to deflect from the real issue, which is the lawless spirit behind the doctrine.
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This gets frustrating.
1. No one is telling you what we are taught to think, We tell you what we believe.
2. We do not believe ANYTHING of what you are saying
3. Ben politely asked you to stop using these straw men arguments (it is actually what you are taught to think, or you would not be making such erroneous accusations which are not true, you would actually listen to what we say) yet all you can do is again tell him he is wrong in what he actually believes..
1. No one is telling you what we are taught to think, We tell you what we believe.
2. We do not believe ANYTHING of what you are saying
3. Ben politely asked you to stop using these straw men arguments (it is actually what you are taught to think, or you would not be making such erroneous accusations which are not true, you would actually listen to what we say) yet all you can do is again tell him he is wrong in what he actually believes..
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works based gospels. such as roman catholicism, believes in the death burial and ressurection of Christ.
Does that mean we should reject the cross. Because these false prophets and believers believe in it?
That is exactly what your doing. Just because a group may believe in something another groups says, does not make them like that group.
Gnostics believed they could sin all they want, because it did not matter, what they did in the body was meaningless. So they excused their sin and could please themselves all they want, because it did not matter, it is the spiritual that mattered, and the spirit can not sin.
Grace (hyper or not) teaches that we can not sin all we want, that would be a mockery to the grace of God. nor do we want to sin all we want (even at all) we want out of gratitude, to learn the ways of the father, the gnostics had no desire whatsoever to do this.
you can not compaier the two. Because they have one or two things you happen to be against. they are night and day apart in their belief system, Not even remotely identical.
This quote from BenFTW says it all...
This is hardly a connection between God's grace and Gnosticism. Believers in Gnosticism believe that sin couldn't be imputed to them because they were inherently spirit. They didn't believe they had sin (1 John 1:9; unlike grace believers, who acknowledge their sin but know Jesus took care of it). Sin isn't imputed to us because it was given to Christ at the cross. That is the hyper-grace stance, not in agreement with Gnosticism. It glorifies Jesus Christ and not self.
Those adhering to Gnosticism found comfort/assurance in themselves just like the self-righteous legalistic gospel individuals do. Their assurance is found in themselves. It rather seems Gnosticism and Legalism have a likeness and it is pride. Looking to self as the full measure of assurance, as the means to why one is saved. Unlike those in agreement with "modern hyper-grace", knowing their salvation is not dependent upon themselves but the finished work of Jesus Christ.
The opposition you have against Hyper-Grace theology seems to be chalk full of straw man, and ignorance (respectfully). Every disagreement thus far and refuted continues to be one not posited by those who you would say fall under "new modern Hyper Grace" teaching. I suggest you read a book by a grace preacher so you can better understand what you seem to be so against.
At the moment, you aren't addressing what some might call the "Gospel of Grace" but some imagined gospel that contradicts scripture and grace preachers themselves. You're refuting something that isn't being presented and therefore are wasting your time and those reading. Its pointless, and only further buries people in ignorance to God's grace.
This is hardly a connection between God's grace and Gnosticism. Believers in Gnosticism believe that sin couldn't be imputed to them because they were inherently spirit. They didn't believe they had sin (1 John 1:9; unlike grace believers, who acknowledge their sin but know Jesus took care of it). Sin isn't imputed to us because it was given to Christ at the cross. That is the hyper-grace stance, not in agreement with Gnosticism. It glorifies Jesus Christ and not self.
Those adhering to Gnosticism found comfort/assurance in themselves just like the self-righteous legalistic gospel individuals do. Their assurance is found in themselves. It rather seems Gnosticism and Legalism have a likeness and it is pride. Looking to self as the full measure of assurance, as the means to why one is saved. Unlike those in agreement with "modern hyper-grace", knowing their salvation is not dependent upon themselves but the finished work of Jesus Christ.
The opposition you have against Hyper-Grace theology seems to be chalk full of straw man, and ignorance (respectfully). Every disagreement thus far and refuted continues to be one not posited by those who you would say fall under "new modern Hyper Grace" teaching. I suggest you read a book by a grace preacher so you can better understand what you seem to be so against.
At the moment, you aren't addressing what some might call the "Gospel of Grace" but some imagined gospel that contradicts scripture and grace preachers themselves. You're refuting something that isn't being presented and therefore are wasting your time and those reading. Its pointless, and only further buries people in ignorance to God's grace.
What you' and others are doing is rejecting association with gnostic beliefs that are identical with your beliefs by selecting gnostic beliefs that don't apply to you. That's a straw man because I never said those things apply to you.
In terms of salvation, this is exactly what is taught by some here.
In terms of salvation, this is exactly what is taught by some here.
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And thats different, Should I call you roman catholic or eastern orthodox because you believe in the trinity and the cross? and say your believing in a false gospel like they do?
I fail to see why you do not see the point i made.
who? I keep seeing you make these accusations, but I have yet to see anyone teach it.