The neo-Gnostic spirit of New.Modern.Hyper Grace

[DP]

This applies to something I posted elsewhere. The old covenant priests were commanded to cleanse themselves while they worked so that they didn't die. Handling sacrifices for sin and walking on the earth defiled them even though they were holy. For this reason, they were commanded to cleanse themselves with water in the brass basin by the altar.

Thou shalt also make a laver [of] brass, and his foot [also of] brass, to wash [withal]: and thou shalt put it between the tabernacle of the congregation and the altar, and thou shalt put water therein. For Aaron and his sons shall wash their hands and their feet thereat: When they go into the tabernacle of the congregation, they shall wash with water, that they die not; or when they come near to the altar to minister, to burn offering made by fire unto the LORD: So they shall wash their hands and their feet, that they die not: and it shall be a statute for ever to them, [even] to him and to his seed throughout their generations. Exodus 30:18-21​

Likewise, in our service to GOD, we become defiled by the world or sin, and must continually be cleansed by the spirit, lest we die.

How this relates to your post is that approaching GOD in an unclean condition is just doing dead works.

And through many brethren's ignorance of that, they forget that our Lord Jesus tore down the curtain for us so that we need go only through Him to The Father, ourselves having been made priests in Christ Jesus.

 

[Grace777x70]

So, in other words there is no scripture there that says to "look for sin"......when we are examining ourselves....is it possible it means something else other then conjecture?...

2 Corinthians 13:5 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

If you can't distinguish the difference in these verses about examining oneself like it says, then you are denying what that Scripture states, and I certainly cannot help you out of the brainwashing you've been manipulated into by men.

1 Cor 11:27-31
27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
KJV

 

[DP]

And that would be ...Myth 1: Hyper-Grace Preachers are Against Repentance

Hyper-grace preachers say there’s no need for repentance. They dismiss repentance as unbelief.” Actually, hyper-grace preachers are for repentance, not against it. We say things like “repentance is essential” and “repentance is to be our lifestyle.” We are for repentance, for without it no one can receive the grace of God.
But what is repentance?

Repentance is one of those words that means different things to different people. Those with a performance-oriented mindset typically interpret repentance as turning from sin. It’s something you do (turn) as a result of something you’ve done (sinned). It’s fixing what you broke. It’s atoning for your mistakes. It’s sewing fig leaves to hide your shame.

In contrast, faith-based repentance is always done in response to something God has done. It’s the change of heart and mind that happens when you encounter His grace.

A mixed-grace gospel will define repentance in terms of a prescribed set of behaviors (e.g., turning from sin) and emotions (e.g., sorrow and grief). But insisting on the proper way to repent is tantamount to putting people under law.

The fruit of repentance may take 101 different forms—don’t limit God—but repentance itself is simply a change of mind. It’s what the word literally means.

To see what believers in the grace of Christ really say about repentance..you can click the below link..it'll bless you.

Myth 1: Hyper-Grace Preachers are Against Repentance – Escape to Reality

No amount of man's philosophy is going to change the NT Doctrine of repentance which is what I showed from Scripture. You have been so brainwashed that you are trying to compare their words literally against (in opposition to) God's Holy Writ.

 

[DP]

So, in other words there is no scripture there that says to "look for sin"......when we are examining ourselves....is it possible it means something else other then conjecture?...

2 Corinthians 13:5 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

It can mean anything YOU WANT... IF... you so choose. I'm not here to spoon feed you God's Word. You are able to read it for yourself and heed it for yourself. It's simply your... choice as to what you want to believe and who you listen to.

If you want to pull single verses that say you are saved, while disregarding the rest of Scripture as a whole, then go to. I'm not trying to stop you doing that. But I will declare you are in error by doing that.

 

[Grace777x70]

so if the scripture doesn't say it is " sin to be looking for".....then I am in error?..okie dokie....

It can mean anything YOU WANT... IF... you so choose. I'm not here to spoon feed you God's Word. You are able to read it for yourself and heed it for yourself. It's simply your... choice as to what you want to believe and who you listen to.

If you want to pull single verses that say you are saved, while disregarding the rest of Scripture as a whole, then go to. I'm not trying to stop you doing that. But I will declare you are in error by doing that.

 

[DP]

The Hyper-Grace doctrine of men against continued repentance for future sins reveals just how... the following Scripture is about believers on Christ that had works in Him, but did iniquity, because failure to examine oneself of sin (daily even) and repent is how the believer can fall away to work iniquity:

Matt 7:21-23
21 Not every one that saith unto Me, "Lord, Lord", shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of My Father Which is in heaven.


22 Many will say to me in that day, "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?"


23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from Me, ye that work iniquity.
KJV

 

[Grace777x70]

Not true what you said about the hyper-grace and repentance..but we'll let that go..and look at your scripture instead..

Notice that in Matt 7:19-23..Jesus said "I never knew you "...these people were not believers.....everyone when they see Jesus will call Him Lord.....

John 10:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

The Hyper-Grace doctrine of men against continued repentance for future sins reveals just how... the following Scripture is about believers on Christ that had works in Him, but did iniquity, because failure to examine oneself of sin (daily even) and repent is how the believer can fall away to work iniquity:

Matt 7:21-23
21 Not every one that saith unto Me, "Lord, Lord", shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of My Father Which is in heaven.


22 Many will say to me in that day, "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?"


23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from Me, ye that work iniquity.
KJV

 

[DP]

I really don't see much difference in simply acknowledging that we have sinned and acknowledging that we have sinned and humbly saying we are sorry (forgiveness) within that acknowledgment. . . Why acknowledge it at all if you are not sorry that you did the wrong? If you are already forgiven why acknowledge anything at all? I apologize and I am not arguing for argument sake - I really don't see any difference . . . .

That's the point. Hyper-Grace doctrines of men see no reason to recognize sin and thus no further need for any repenting. For that reason, those brainwashed in that aren't concerned with future sins they may commit, when what it does is open themselves up to doing the works of the flesh with a clear conscience, because afterall, Jesus already forgave all their future sins too, they think, so no further need for repentance.

Phil 2:12-13
12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.


13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
KJV

Thus they wrongly associate ideas like the "fear and trembling" that Apostle Paul said there with someone who doesn't really have the Faith that our Lord Jesus died on the cross to forgive all our sins at one time. That's how twisted those false prophets of Hyper-Grace are on NT doctrine of the need for further repenting when we mess up.

 

[DP]

Here's another Scripture from Apostle Paul they purposefully misinterpret:

Rom 3:25
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
KJV

Why would Apostle Paul say Christ's death on the cross is only for the remission of "sins that are past"? Did our Lord Jesus forgive us of ALL sin we would ever commit? No. That's why Apostle John would also teach that we are expected to repent to Jesus of future sin in 1 John 1.

 

[DP]

Not true what you said about the hyper-grace and repentance..but we'll let that go..and look at your scripture instead..

Notice that in Matt 7:19-23..Jesus said "I never knew you "...these people were not believers.....everyone when they see Jesus will call Him Lord.....

John 10:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

You're wrong again. It is not MY Scripture. It is The Word of The Living God.

 

[FreeNChrist]

That's the point. Hyper-Grace doctrines of men see no reason to recognize sin and thus no further need for any repenting. For that reason, those brainwashed in that aren't concerned with future sins they may commit, when what it does is open themselves up to doing the works of the flesh with a clear conscience, because afterall, Jesus already forgave all their future sins too, they think, so no further need for repentance.

Phil 2:12-13
12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.


13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
KJV

Thus they wrongly associate ideas like the "fear and trembling" that Apostle Paul said there with someone who doesn't really have the Faith that our Lord Jesus died on the cross to forgive all our sins at one time. That's how twisted those false prophets of Hyper-Grace are on NT doctrine of the need for further repenting when we mess up.

Another one telling others what they believe. And getting it all wrong as usual.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I would also add that the sons of Aaron who offered "strange fire" =strange doctrine before the Lord, were consumed and devoured by the Lords fire. Those who have ears to hear, let them hear what the Spirit is saying in this.

Jeremiah 5:14
Wherefore thus saith the Lord God of hosts, Because ye speak this word, behold, I will make my words in thy mouth fire, and this people wood, and it shall devour them.

Revelation 11:5
And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

GOD is glorified by all who draw near to him.

And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all [people] to myself.” John 12:32

And I saw as a glassy sea mixed with fire, and those who had conquered the beast and his image and the number of his name were standing upon the glassy sea, holding harps from God. Revelation 15:2​

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Thus they wrongly associate ideas like the "fear and trembling" that Apostle Paul said there with someone who doesn't really have the Faith that our Lord Jesus died on the cross to forgive all our sins at one time. That's how twisted those false prophets of Hyper-Grace are on NT doctrine of the need for further repenting when we mess up.

I think fear and trembling to some of them is twitching uncontrollably on the floor in 'holy' laughter, steeped in the inebriating elixir of drunken glory.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

That's the point. Hyper-Grace doctrines of men see no reason to recognize sin and thus no further need for any repenting. For that reason, those brainwashed in that aren't concerned with future sins they may commit, when what it does is open themselves up to doing the works of the flesh with a clear conscience, because afterall, Jesus already forgave all their future sins too, they think, so no further need for repentance.

The awareness of sin is anathema to the new.modern.grace mind because it disrupts the image of a perfect identity. Grace is the freedom to deny sin's existence (except with lip service), rather than the freedom to overcome sin through the cross and spirit.

 

[Grace777x70]

Here is what scripture says about forgiveness in Christ....it's a done deal

1 John 2:12 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] I am writing to you, little children, because your sins have been forgiven you for His name's sake.

have been forgiven = perfect passive

perfect = The perfect tense expresses perfective action. Perfective action involves a present state which has resulted from a past action. The present state is a continuing state; the past action is a completed action. It is continuously in the present

passive = mood = action is happening to you....you are not doing it

Without a doubt this verse says that the sins are forgiven from a past action that remains in a continuous state and that was put on them....not something they did

Here are some more scriptures on the forgiveness of God thru the precious blood of our Lord!..


Ephesians 1:7 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

We have redemption = present continuous action...so this means we have present continuous forgiveness of our sins...and look...that hyper-grace stuff shows up again!...it's all according to our loving Father's grace that He has given to us in Christ our Lord.

Colossians 1:13-14 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son,
[SUP]14 [/SUP] in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

Same thing here too...present continuous action = forgiveness of sins


Redemption!..we have been bought with the precious Blood of Jesus... Let's honor His work


Brethren ...we have a great salvation in our Lord!

Here's another Scripture from Apostle Paul they purposefully misinterpret:

Rom 3:25
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
KJV

Why would Apostle Paul say Christ's death on the cross is only for the remission of "sins that are past"? Did our Lord Jesus forgive us of ALL sin we would ever commit? No. That's why Apostle John would also teach that we are expected to repent to Jesus of future sin in 1 John 1.

 

[BenFTW]

The awareness of sin is anathema to the new.modern.grace mind because it disrupts the image of a perfect identity. Grace is the freedom to deny sin's existence (except with lip service), rather than the freedom to overcome sin through the cross and spirit.

Do you see it? They aren't just talking points. The same so called points are revealed in this very post. This is the reason I put it in the list of straw man because they continue to be perpetuated. This reveals a misunderstanding or bias against Hyper-Grace (AKA God's grace).

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Do you see it? They aren't just talking points. The same so called points are revealed in this very post. This is the reason I put it in the list of straw man because they continue to be perpetuated. This reveals a misunderstanding or bias against Hyper-Grace (AKA God's grace).

Those aren't talking points that I'm regurgitating. They are my conclusions based on my observations.

You're doing the 'W' thing again. Try pasting the 'W' into your search window, then copy it from there to paste here. That should strip out the formatting.

 

[BenFTW]

Those aren't talking points that I'm regurgitating. They are my conclusions based on my observations.

You're doing the 'W' thing again. Try pasting the 'W' into your search window, then copy it from there to paste here. That should strip out the formatting.

I was pointing out the straw man arguments I brought up earlier that you referred to as "talking points", and just a remembered format. Obviously they aren't, I am addressing actual disagreements that you are bringing up, and fall into those so called "talking points." Basically, you think I am just re-hashing certain notions when in fact I am addressing present moment fallacious disagreements that are, for all intents and purposes, straw man. Your evaluation of the situation was incorrect. You are using such a straw man in your posts, currently.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I was pointing out the straw man arguments I brought up earlier that you referred to as "talking points", and just a remembered format. Obviously they aren't, I am addressing actual disagreements that you are bringing up, and fall into those so called "talking points." Basically, you think I am just re-hashing certain notions when in fact I am addressing present moment fallacious disagreements that are, for all intents and purposes, straw man. Your evaluation of the situation was incorrect. You are using such a straw man in your posts, currently.

What is your deal with this straw man thing? I am stating my conclusions based upon my observations. I think I'm being pretty accurate to state that consciousness, or awareness, of sin is pretty anathema to new.modern.hyper grace frame of mind. It's all about focusing on one's new identity in Christ. Any awareness of sin just impinges on that state of mind. You might disagree with this, but I do believe I have read from your posts where you have stated as much, and I'm certain I have read it from other people's posts, as well as websites.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The Hyper-Grace doctrine of men against continued repentance for future sins reveals just how... the following Scripture is about believers on Christ that had works in Him, but did iniquity, because failure to examine oneself of sin (daily even) and repent is how the believer can fall away to work iniquity:

Matt 7:21-23
21 Not every one that saith unto Me, "Lord, Lord", shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of My Father Which is in heaven.


22 Many will say to me in that day, "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?"


23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from Me, ye that work iniquity.
KJV

How can you people honestly read this passage, and think it speaks of a person who was ever saved?

Jesus clearly says, I NEVER KNEW YOU.

If Jesus never knew you. you can mark his word. YOU WERE NEVER SAVED.

It is about legalists such as yourself trying to work your way to heaven, who have refused to repent, and continue in sin, yet deny their sin. or excuse it, just because they said some silly prayer.

News flash, If you break the law. Saying I am sorry God will not get you off the hook. Your punishment is still death.