The 1 John 1:9 Lie: More New.Modern.Hyper Grace blasphemy

[JGIG]

What you did before, doesn't even enter your mind now - it's unthinkable, right?

Holy Spirit doesn't put that thought of sin in your mind and then tell you 'NO!'

Holy Spirit reminds you of who/Whose you are and you act accordingly - it's your New Creation Nature in action =o).

-JGIG

So it is satan, now that convicts me and not the Holy Spirit?

Funny, even you can't use the word
'convict' but use the word 'remind' instead.

Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, "Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, he who accuses them before our God day and night. (from Revelation 12)
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13 And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, 14 by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross. 15 He disarmed the rulers and authorities and put them to open shame, by triumphing over them in him. (from Colossians 2)
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It's what Satan does, accuse. He has no real weapons, because the debt that stood against us was nailed to the Cross. When that happened, the rulers and authorities of this world were DISARMED. Because God is not holding the sins of those in Christ against them - all sin is forgiven for those who receive that forgiveness - AND God chooses to remember those sins no more.

So all Satan can do is to accuse us.

Are you going to believe what Satan has to say about your relationship with God or are you going to believe what God has to say about your relationship with Him?

-JGIG

 

[JGIG]

The Holy Spirit reproves the world of sin through the Lords disciples, not that the world has the Holy Spirit.

Scripture please.

Thanks.

-JGIG

 

[JGIG]

He picks you up ONCE, then the cleaning starts.

Scripture please.

Thanks.

-JGIG

 

[royalscot]

If he were talking to unbelievers - it seems he would have reiterated Romans 10:9,10 confess Jesus as Lord and believe in their hearts that God raised him from the dead and they would be saved . . . or . . . Repent and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. - I don't recall having to confess sins unto righteousness. Oh, John did baptize in the Jordan with the people confessing their sins - Mark 1:5; and Matt. 3:6.

its amazing ,how many people trip over that stone.

that would be a jewish people, not a gentile people, at this point in history. mark, and matt.

sorry just add that small fact.

 

[royalscot]

Excellent teaching In this video.

sorry going by the headline.

21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.Galatians 2:

 

[Mitspa]

Good to see the law and grace debate is back in full force we had a few days with folks posting on some crazy stuff like hell is not so bad and universal salvation stuff ... I respect legalist even as they are wrong, most of them want to obey and please God ...they just don't understand the difference between the flesh and the Spirit or how we have gone from the law of Moses to the law of Christ.

 

[JGIG]

if you don't, He won't . . . ?????

I am not talking about forgiveness for salvation - when I confessed Jesus as Lord and believed God raised him from the dead all my sins WERE FORGIVEN . . . . I am saved; as saved as I will EVER be . . .

Right.

If I don't ask for forgiveness after salvation - who does it hurt more - me or God? I think it hurts me more because I will continue to harbor something that I shouldn't have done and it would be me who kept herself from humbly going to God and acknowledging what I did and letting it go.

It doesn't hurt you . . . you actually believe that all your sins were forgiven in the first place. And there is Grace for repeated requests for forgiveness that you know you already have , but I do wonder if God wearies of it.

Some believers, however, are VERY HURT by the doctrine that says that if you don't confess every sin to get forgiveness for those sins, you may die in your sins and end up condemned for eternity. That is the logical conclusion to that doctrine - again, the wages of sin according to the Bible is death, not loss of fellowship.

Maybe that's why God set up this system of forgiveness . . . . FOR ME . .

His system of forgiveness is complete. It's fine to go to Him and apologize - if that makes you feel more forgiven, then fine. We are not to base what we do on our feelings, however, but on what we know is true. And Scripture says, and you say that you believe, that all of your sins were forgiven. That's Truth! Walk in it \o/!

-JGIG

 

[PaulMack]

1 John 1:9
[SUP]9 [/SUP] If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Luke 11:2-4
[SUP]2 [/SUP] And he said to them, “When you pray, say: “Father, hallowed be your name. Your kingdom come.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Give us each day our daily bread,
[SUP]4 [/SUP] and forgive us our sins, for we ourselves forgive everyone who is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation.”

Ephesians 1:7
[SUP]7 [/SUP] In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace,


We have been washed clean of our sins by the Blood of Jesus.

I believe we are told to confess our sins and ask for forgiveness for our sin to help keep us from sinning and to bring us back to God when we do sin. We are still in sinful bodies that like to sin. Because we will sin i think is why we are told to confess and ask forgiveness for the sins we have done.

 

[JGIG]

After paddling your bottom.

That's not what that translation says, it says scourge. The above image is what it means to scourge.

This was a method of torture that was used by oppressive governing officials, often ending in the victim's death, and never used by parents as a means of disciplining their children.

You need to study this out before you start telling people that God does this to His children.

Two resources, one was already posted here but worth repeating:

• Hebrews 12:6 Does God Scourge His Kids?

• By His Stripes or Ours

​-JGIG

 

[crossnote]

Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, "Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, he who accuses them before our God day and night. (from Revelation 12)
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13 And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, 14 by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross. 15 He disarmed the rulers and authorities and put them to open shame, by triumphing over them in him. (from Colossians 2)
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It's what Satan does, accuse. He has no real weapons, because the debt that stood against us was nailed to the Cross. When that happened, the rulers and authorities of this world were DISARMED. Because God is not holding the sins of those in Christ against them - all sin is forgiven for those who receive that forgiveness - AND God chooses to remember those sins no more.

So all Satan can do is to accuse us.

Are you going to believe what Satan has to say about your relationship with God or are you going to believe what God has to say about your relationship with Him?

-JGIG

There's a difference between accuse (for our hurt) and convict (for our edification). I'll go with God's sweet conviction thank you.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Scripture please.

Thanks.

-JGIG

John 16:7-11 "Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.[SUP]8 [/SUP]And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Of sin, because they believe not on me;
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged."

The Holy Spirit needs a mouth piece in order to speak and reprove the world of sin, that mouth is given to the Lords disciples.

 

[crossnote]

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That's not what that translation says, it says scourge. The above image is what it means to scourge.

This was a method of torture that was used by oppressive governing officials, often ending in the victim's death, and never used by parents as a means of disciplining their children.

You need to study this out before you start telling people that God does this to His children.

Two resources, one was already posted here but worth repeating:

• Hebrews 12:6 Does God Scourge His Kids?

• By His Stripes or Ours

​-JGIG

Again the Strongs (not me) says...

g3145. μασσάομαι massaomai; from a primary μάσσω massō (to handle or squeeze); to chew:— gnaw.
AV (1)- gnaw 1;
to chew, consume, eat, devour
g3146. μαστιγόω mastigoō; from 3148; to flog ( literally or figuratively): — scourge.
AV ( 7)- scourge 7;
to scourge

 

[JGIG]

You know - we don't differ much in what we believe - what does it hurt for people to confess, acknowledge their sins? What's the BIG DEAL?

For you, evidently it's not a big deal.

For many believers, it's a HUGE and ALL CONSUMING deal, because they recognize the seriousness of sin - all sin.

The wages of sin is DEATH, not loss of fellowship.

For those who are taught that they must ask for forgiveness continually, they are crushed under the weight of trying to remember every sin and 'keep short accounts with God'. It consumes their every waking moment and invades their sleeping time - there is NO REST there; no peace.

There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death. (from Romans 8)​

-JGIG

 

[oldthennew]

a child of God bases all of their feelings/actions on what they perceive God's feelings are....
they become His slaves, obedient servants, forsaking all for their love of His sacrifice.....
there is just no other way for them to over-come the world and all of its wickedness.....
we honor Him above life itself, and go to Him in meekness and humility and Love,
which are feelings above and beyong common-human understanding.....

 

[crossnote]

Scripture please.

Thanks.

-JGIG

Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me. Simon Peter saith unto him, Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head. Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all.
(Joh 13:8-10)

Same principle.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I thought I wrote this here, but I didn't:


1 John 1 is not describing a believer - John is talking to unbelievers there, and fellowship that he's talking about is fellowship with believers - that unbelievers don't have unless they come into Christ!John isn't saying that if a believer sins they lose fellowship with God.

When John uses the term, 'we' in chapter 1, it's a polite way of speaking to unbelievers - we've all been where they are - we've all had to acknowledge our sin and confess - agree with God - our sinful state and our need for Christ and His Work. And when we do (did), we are (were - an accomplished fact) forgiven and cleansed. He is faithful to forgive us of all of our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness \o/. There is no caveat there that indicates 'until we sin again'.

It is at that point that we go from walking in the dark to walking in the light. John uses those terms interchangeably with death and life - it's his style of writing. We don't go back and forth from light to dark and back to light again based on our confession and further forgiveness of sins. All of our sins were dealt with at the Cross. We have entered into life.

And then after John wraps up the first chapter, he addresses the Body of Christ, "My little children . . . "

Not complicated, really.

-JGIG

You have no evidence for your claims. It's just made up stuff to suit your agenda. What part of the bible did you get that John was speaking to unbelievers, or that 'we' is a polite way to refer to unbelievers? It's ridiculous. You always badger those who oppose your view to provide scripture and verse. How about you do the same? Or are you a hypocrite?

 

[JGIG]

But it said "Jesus + anything"...not just the law

What must one add to Jesus to be saved and stay saved?

What part of His Work is lacking to procure and maintain our salvation?

Please be specific.

-JGIG

 

[crossnote]

What must one add to Jesus to be saved and stay saved?

What part of His Work is lacking to procure and maintain our salvation?

Please be specific.

-JGIG

Nothing, Jesus saves us totally. He uses means though like an Incarnation and a blood stained cross.
And in sanctification he uses trials, His Word and His Spirit to mold us into His image.
Why do you ask as it has little to do with the OP?

 

[JGIG]

Instead of thinking of Gods discipline as punishment, because its not, think of it as a boxers body and what it experiences in being being trained for a a boxing match, because that is exactly what is in view. We are all in training, being trained by God to fight the good fight.

_____ God's Discipline_____

Quote and source below:

God's discipline is not because of our past;
it's training for our future.

'Their past, their sins, their lawless acts I remember no more (Jer. 31, 2 Cor. 5, Heb. 10). But I will discipline them for their future, so that they are trained by it, so that there's a peaceful fruit of righteousness (Heb. 12:11).'

God is not disciplining us in reaction to our sins; God put Jesus on the Cross in reaction to our sins. That's how God reacted. 'This [sin] doesn't deserve discipline, this deserves death! And so My Son will not be disciplined, He will be killed
(Is. 53:6, Rom. 4:25, Col. 1:22).'

And Jesus died, and there is no payment for those sins left (Rom. 3:25-26, Heb. 10:18, 1 Jn. 2:2).

And now, we look at the discipline of God, and we say there is frankly no model for it. There is no other discipline on the planet like this, because no one has ever sent their son to die for me and then chose to train me for the rest of my life.

Do you see it?

Perfect love casts out fear. There is no fear, because fear involves punishment (1 Jn. 4:18).

But Jesus was already punished.

And what's happening with us, is we're being perfected in love, and there's no fear in love (1 Jn. 4:17).

Instead what is there?

A peaceful fruit of righteousness (Heb. 12:11).

- Andrew Farley
From his series on the letter to the Hebrews - "By His Stripes, or Ours?"
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By His Stripes or Ours Audio
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-JGIG​

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

God has His limits?

20 The law was brought in so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more, 21 so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. (from Romans 5)​

There is one boundary. You're either in Christ or in Adam. Grace is not extended to those in Adam and then rescinded from those who are in Christ.

Not only is Grace hyper, but Grace reigns through righteousness through Jesus Christ our Lord!

-JGIG

The gnostics also thought that grace couldn't be taken away from them. See post #1.

The bible witnesses that only those who do the will of GOD will be saved.