Double Standards in so Many Churches Today.
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I think this article might (or should) help. It explains the difference between "divorce" and merely "putting away" (without a bill of divorcement as prescribed by God).
Marriage, Divorce, & Remarriage: A Biblical Response to a Controversial Subject - Mission to Israel
Marriage, Divorce, & Remarriage: A Biblical Response to a Controversial Subject - Mission to Israel
There is certainly no debate that such is your view, based on your reading of Scripture I would assume. I would encourage you to read Matthew 5:32... the part after "except for"; and also 1 Corinthians 7:15, focusing on "A believing man or woman is not bound in such circumstances..." (both NIV).
I see legitimate reasons for divorce which free the divorced person to remarry. Not many reasons, but they are in Scripture.
As to 'so many people' who supposedly condone adultery, are you praying for any in particular, that they would be enlightened? How about the alleged adulterous couples? Are you praying for God's loving conviction on them?
I see legitimate reasons for divorce which free the divorced person to remarry. Not many reasons, but they are in Scripture.
As to 'so many people' who supposedly condone adultery, are you praying for any in particular, that they would be enlightened? How about the alleged adulterous couples? Are you praying for God's loving conviction on them?
Adultery is a very easy problem to address in the Church. If a Preacher has concrete evidence someone is living in Adultery, the Preacher will tell them to give up this sin. If they refuse to quit practicing the sin of Adultery, The preacher will ask them not to attend Church Services at this particular place of worship any longer. Problem solved.
K
Well thats cut and dry. I think you may need to check out some of those threads on grace. Look I agree on being straight forward about sin ,but if you kicked out everyone in the church that committed sin you'd have an empty church without a pastor. If the pastor is preaching the Word with conviction you'll find a lot less sin in the church. But tossing people because they sin is pretty impossible. You can pray them out or pray conviction,but tossing people out for sin,we'd all be outside the church doors.You included.
Gal. 6 ...1Brethren, even if anyone is caught in any trespass, you who are spiritual, restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness; each one looking to yourself, so that you too will not be tempted.
Gal. 6 ...1Brethren, even if anyone is caught in any trespass, you who are spiritual, restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness; each one looking to yourself, so that you too will not be tempted.
How many church congregations have you visited and interviewed to come to this conclusion? Two? Three maybe?
There are tens of thousands of church congregations just in America........let me know when you have visited at least half of them...........and found what you are saying to be true, THEN you got something.
K
First of all no church that I know of supports the continuation of any of these sins, however there are given situations in the Word of God that allows divorce to take place to where the people will not be guilty of adultery if they remarry.
Jesus shows this in Matthew 5:32, 19:9 where He shows sexual immorality gives an exception to the rule !!!
Paul speaks on marriage also and divorce or remarriage being allowed in certain cases in 1 Corinthians 7......
I see what you are saying here because this comes from 1 Corinthians 5, which is an extension from what Jesus taught in Matthew 18. Some people don't like what 1 Corinthians 5 says but it is still a teaching on how to handle those in the congregation who will not give up sinful ways !!!
As long as the steps Jesus gave are taken first, then and only then, is shunning a person allowed !!!
K
Spherical's understanding comes from 1 Corinthians 5, because that is exactly what it says in that chapter to do !!!
Once one has taken the steps that Jesus said in Matthew 18 to pull them aside one on one, then in front of a couple others, and then the whole congregation if they continue to still refuse to give up the sinful way then they are to be shunned as Paul shows !!!
This is speaking of those who are refusing the healing to continue to live sinful lives !!!
Once one has taken the steps that Jesus said in Matthew 18 to pull them aside one on one, then in front of a couple others, and then the whole congregation if they continue to still refuse to give up the sinful way then they are to be shunned as Paul shows !!!
This is speaking of those who are refusing the healing to continue to live sinful lives !!!
15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
Matthew 18:15-17 (KJV)
My church refers to this as ex-communicated. And it does happen. If a church member refuses to change their sinful ways, and there is evidence. An example is.....a church member decided she was lesbian. And actually got married. The ministerial talked to her multiple times (before she was married already). And nothing was changing for her. So she got ex-communicated. If she should ever repent and change her way, she will be welcomed with open arms.
I personally am very happy with how my church deals with situations like this.
16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
Matthew 18:15-17 (KJV)
My church refers to this as ex-communicated. And it does happen. If a church member refuses to change their sinful ways, and there is evidence. An example is.....a church member decided she was lesbian. And actually got married. The ministerial talked to her multiple times (before she was married already). And nothing was changing for her. So she got ex-communicated. If she should ever repent and change her way, she will be welcomed with open arms.
I personally am very happy with how my church deals with situations like this.
T
What he described in his post about what his church does in this sort of situation is actually a very biblical practice if it's done prayerfully and carefully. It's one thing to be truly repentant. It's another thing altogether to be unrepentant and to continue in sin. But it's decided by a group of Christian leaders who honestly look to God for everything.
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