The false teaching that a woman's heart should be so hidden in God that a man........

pete13 · Feb 2, 2016

do you realize that you did not make any point in your reply. you asked me how can a woman make an effort to find a Christian husband and i gave you my advice.but what is the relevance of you saying "Is it not Christ who draws us (the church) in, steals our hearts, leads us and guides us, sacrifices all for us? And... isn't the marriage of Christ and the church supposed to be the model by which we are to be married on earth? I'm not expecting my future spouse to be Christ. He will be far from perfect, just as I am far from perfect"
what were you trying to imply by saying that? if you feel too proud to make an effort to find a man then just come out and say so instead of quoting how Jesus draws our hearts together in order to justify your personal belief. You said that a proverbs 31 woman is whom you are to be, did the bible say that the proverbs 31 woman should not make an effort to find a husband? so whats the relevance of that statement with this post? making an effort to find a christian husband does not stop you from being a proverbs 31 woman and you know that. also, you or your future husband being imperfect does not stop you from making an effort to find a Christian husband and you know that. the woman i described is the mature and intelligent woman who also has the attributes of the proverbs 31 woman, so what are you talking about? you believe that not allowing the man to be the one that proposes steals his"man card", i am a man and do you think i care if a woman proposes to me? i will not care at all if she proposes and i will say yes to her if that is what i want. i don't see her proposing as stealing a so called man card, that's for non Christians, true Christians don't care about such worldly things like who gets to propose. .but having said that you can choose to let the man do all the work to find you and you can just sit there and wait to be found, i am only advising you not to do so.

RissaBug · Feb 2, 2016

You missed my entire point and I have no inclination of repeating myself... soo...

crosstweed · Feb 2, 2016

God likes to get us out of our comfort zones. If a woman has been in the habit of chasing men, don't be surprised if God tells her to just sit down, shut up, and bide her time.

If a woman has been in the habit of sitting down, shutting up, and bidding her time, don't be surprised if God gives her a nudge to move her butt when the timing is right.

The same goes for men too, in many ways.

The moral of the story is, God does what He wants and He doesn't need your "helpful" input, although He does want you to pay attention and participate. There are lots of very wrong ways to go about finding "thuh wun," and no cookie-cutter, one-size-fits-all correct one, either. God moves in mysterious ways and He can put two people together in as many varied ways as there are human circumstances and personalities.

This thread sounds to me like it was put together by a man who is taking out his lady-related frustrations on this forum's female population... I personally have never even heard of this doctrine of which he so negatively speaks, but upon thinking about it, it doesn't sound like a bad idea actually. The idea that he's suggesting throwing the idea of God's leading and caution to the wind and hunting down a potential male spouse like some kind of bizarre reverse whitetail rut is... remarkably bad advice. I have yet to see such a scenario conclude on a positive note.

coby · Feb 3, 2016

pete13 said:

do you realize that you did not make any point in your reply. you asked me how can a woman make an effort to find a Christian husband and i gave you my advice.but what is the relevance of you saying "Is it not Christ who draws us (the church) in, steals our hearts, leads us and guides us, sacrifices all for us? And... isn't the marriage of Christ and the church supposed to be the model by which we are to be married on earth? I'm not expecting my future spouse to be Christ. He will be far from perfect, just as I am far from perfect"
what were you trying to imply by saying that? if you feel too proud to make an effort to find a man then just come out and say so instead of quoting how Jesus draws our hearts together in order to justify your personal belief. You said that a proverbs 31 woman is whom you are to be, did the bible say that the proverbs 31 woman should not make an effort to find a husband? so whats the relevance of that statement with this post? making an effort to find a christian husband does not stop you from being a proverbs 31 woman and you know that. also, you or your future husband being imperfect does not stop you from making an effort to find a Christian husband and you know that. the woman i described is the mature and intelligent woman who also has the attributes of the proverbs 31 woman, so what are you talking about? you believe that not allowing the man to be the one that proposes steals his"man card", i am a man and do you think i care if a woman proposes to me? i will not care at all if she proposes and i will say yes to her if that is what i want. i don't see her proposing as stealing a so called man card, that's for non Christians, true Christians don't care about such worldly things like who gets to propose. .but having said that you can choose to let the man do all the work to find you and you can just sit there and wait to be found, i am only advising you not to do so.

There's no Biblical example of a woman proposing to a man. It's not a wordly thing. God invented marriage. The most a woman did was Ruth, she showed she was interested, but he had to do the rest. If you see that as a propopal, well okay then. She got that advice in that specific case. It doesn't mean I have to throw myself before every guy I like a bit.

pete13 · Feb 4, 2016

coby said:

[FONT=&quot]RUTH! RUTH! RUTH! [/FONT][FONT=&quot] Why do some women keep using this Ruth story to justify that [FONT=&quot]a woman should not make an effort on her own path to find a husband?[/FONT]

Ruth may have placed herself in a place to be found but did the bible say that the man must be the one to initiate conversations or propose? it did not. so why use the story of just one woman to justify t[/FONT][FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]hat [FONT=&quot]a woman should not make an effort on her own path to find a husband[/FONT][/FONT] How many women have existed in the world till date? Probably billions of women. But you are using just one example of Ruth to justify that a woman should not make an effort on her own path to find a husband. Don’t you think that's wrong? "It doesn't mean "I have to throw myself before every guy I like a bit". No one said you should throw yourself at a man. What I said was that you should stop believing in false sayings like a woman's heart should be so hidden in God that a man has to seek him just to find her because it can deceive you into not making an effort and this may result in you not finding a partner. You don't want to throw yourself at a man but you want him to throw himself at you by being the one to ask you out. in reality placing yourself in a place to be found may not work. i have been to christian meetings where i was with some single [/FONT][FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]christian [/FONT]women. one some occasions i could tell that some of these single christian women wanted me to ask them out but instead of being mature and walking up to me to initiate a conversation they just sat there beside me waiting for me to be the one that will talk to them and justified in the belief that [/FONT][FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]a woman's heart should be so hidden in God that a man has to seek him just to find her[/FONT]. one some other occasions instead of [/FONT][FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]being mature and walking up to me to initiate a conversation they walk up beside me and start texting on their phones. Are they [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]covertly [/FONT][/FONT]trying to let me know that they want me to ask for their number? why do they do that? why not be mature and walk up to me and initiate a conservation?[/FONT] i ended up not talking to them because i was busy. but if they were mature enough to walk up to me and talk to me, then may be i would have discovered how great they are and may be i would have asked them out.[/FONT]

Tintin · Feb 5, 2016

Take your KJV-Only nonsense elsewhere, please. Also, it's not relevant to the topic at hand. What is it with you KJV-Onlyists making every discussion about your idol? Oh, wait...

coby · Feb 5, 2016

pete13 said:

No I agree that you shouldn't just sit there and say nothing and expect a man to do everything. Of course you can initiate a conversation. You can even tell him you like him, but next time maybe I'll pray harder if this is really the right one. On the other hand who cares if he doesn't like you back and you made a mistake? A friendly guy says: oh no problem and just keeps being friendly and your brother has a good laugh. I even don't care if he responds arrogantly with: I don't know who to choose lol.
But you said proposing. That's asking a guy to marry you. I'm never gonna do that again. I did once and he expected me to be the mom and lead. Dutch guys in general don't step up to women. They want a bossy woman who leads them. A guy doing all the effort and as a woman you just sit back can be a good leader, but also very bossy. Because I want a man to lead but not be bossy, but more equality, I think you should both do effort and if you notice he's too shy you can help him out a bit, but not take over his role. Just like Ruth did.
Everyone uses their cellphone the whole day. It means nothing.

coby · Feb 5, 2016

Btw if you want to know if a woman is interested, do effort and look at the hints. She'll find an excuse to talk to you and if you're just getting along and talking shell make a joke that she likes you and then walk away or do something weird so it will leave you puzzled. That way she can just say it was a joke if you don't like her back. There's other things. Ask the youtube experts. One guy who's a womanizer found it out and he is absolutely right. Not all will do that though I think. If they're very shy they'll just stare. It's best to ask God though because someone can like you back and still not be the one He has for you. Also you can just talk about it with a christian. Hey I have the idea you're the one. Well I think you're mistaken. Oh okay LOL I'll listen better next time. Oh no problem. Only if you go after an arrogant one they'll reject you and then: who cares? What I love about God is that He doesn't care at all if He gets rejected. Well He does but He will still say He loves everyone and wants to marry us.
I was in a service. From the podium, everyone was there, loud and clear: THE HOLY SPIRIT IS TOTALLY IN LOVE WITH YOU AND WANTS A RELATIONSHIP WITH YOU!!!
I loved it. Here, now that's Mr. Right. We can learn something from Him.

melita916 · Feb 5, 2016

pete13, i was just wondering... since you keep saying if a woman is interested, she should make an effort -

when you have been interested in a woman, how have you shown her you're interested? i agree the woman (actually both men and women) shouldn't just stay at home and wait for God to bring a spouse right to the front door. i totally understand that. but based on what i've read in your posts, you're putting all the fault in women. it makes me wonder what experiences you've had that led you to start this thread. tone gets lost in text, but the tones i get here are frustration and maybe a hint of bitterness. i apologize if this is wrong. i just want to understand

Born_Again · Feb 5, 2016

AnnHoneywell said:

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[TD="width: 250"]1 John 4:3, " And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist,"
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[TD="width: 250"]1 John 4:3, " but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist,"
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[TD="width: 250"]Since the spirit of the NIV does not confess in this verse that "Christ is come in the flesh," it must be the spirit of the antichrist.
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[TD="width: 250"]Philippians 2:6, "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"
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[TD="width: 250"]Philippians 2:6, "Who, being in the very nature of God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,"
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[TD="width: 250"]The Minority Text contradicts John 10:30, "I and my Father are one."
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[TD="width: 250"]Matthew 9:13, "for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."
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[TD="width: 250"]Matthew 9:13, "For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."
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[TD="width: 250"]The Minority Text deletes the purpose behind calling sinners!
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[TD="width: 250"]Mark 2:17, " I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."
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[TD="width: 250"]John 6:47, "...He that believeth on me hath everlasting life."
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[TD="width: 250"]Revelation 22:14, "Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city."
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[TD="width: 250"]Well, it seems we don't have to obey God's Commandments anymore...all you have to do is wash your robes!
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[TD="width: 250"]Galatians 5:12, "I would they were even cut off which trouble you."
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[TD="width: 250"]Galatians 5:12, "As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!"
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[TD="width: 250"]In the Majority Text, Paul says that the legalistic trouble makers should be cut off. This is an easy phrase for any non-scholar to understand, it means that they should be disassociated or separated from believers until they change their minds. The Minority Text has Paul cursing the legalists and wishing they would cut off their genitals. Is this a Christ-like example?
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[TD="width: 250"]Mark 9:29, "And he said unto them, This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting."
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[TD="width: 250"]Matthew 6:13, "And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen."
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[TD="width: 250"]Luke 11: 2, "And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, 'Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.
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[TD="width: 250"]Luke 11: 2, He said to them, "When you pray, say: "`Father, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come.
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[TD="width: 250"]Hebrews 10:34, "...knowing in yourselves that ye have in heaven a better and an enduring substance."
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[TD="width: 250"]1 John 5:7-8, "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."
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[TD="width: 250"]1 John 5:7-8, "For there are three that testify: the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement."
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[TD="width: 250"]The modern versions and textual criticism have a heyday with this verse. The NIV says this verse is "not found in any Greek manuscript before the sixteenth century", yet this verse is found in "The old Syriac A.D. 170, old Latin A.D. 200, Vulgate: 4th and 5th century, Italian 4th and 5th century". Also many church fathers quoted this and it is found in "Liber Apologetic A.D. 350, Council of Carthiage A.D. 415."
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[TD="width: 250"]Mark 10:24, "...Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God!"
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[TD="width: 250"]Mark 10:24, "...Children, how hard it is to enter the kingdom of God!"
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[TD="width: 250"]Luke 4:4, "And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God."
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[TD="width: 250"]Romans 8:1, "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."
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[TD="width: 250"]Matthew 25:13, "...Ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh."
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[TD="width: 250"]1 Timothy 3:16, "...God was manifest in the flesh..."
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[TD="width: 250"]Colossians 1:14, "In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:"
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[TD="width: 250"]1 Peter 1:22, "Ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit…"
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[TD="width: 250"]Revelation 21:24, "And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it..."
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[TD="width: 250"]No Contradiction
Matthew 26:29, "But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom."
Matthew 27:48, "And straightway one of them ran, and took a spunge, and filled it with vinegar, and put it on a reed, and gave him to drink."
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[TD="width: 250"]Contradiction
Matthew 26:29, " I tell you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it anew with you in my Father's kingdom."
Matthew 27:48, " Immediately one of them ran and got a sponge. He filled it with wine vinegar, put it on a stick, and offered it to Jesus to drink."
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[TD="width: 250"]Clearly, if Jesus took wine, sour or otherwise, and drank it on the cross, we have a contradiction that would make Jesus out to be a liar. The Greek word used for "fruit of the vine" at the Last Supper and the Greek word used for "wine vinegar ("sour wine" in some English translations) is not the same Greek word. What Jesus tasted on the cross was water mixed with vinegar, a common drink among the Roman soldiers. This vinegar did not necessarily come from grapes; it could be made from figs, palms, fermented grain extract, etc. Therefore, Jesus did not lie, and the Greek language bears this out. However, the great majority of English Bible translations including such popular ones as the NIV, NASB, NKJV, and the Amplified have Jesus contradict Himself.
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Classic KJV Only inability to understand the vernacular of the times. Quick way to lose an audience there, kiddo!

Born_Again · Feb 5, 2016

melita916 said:

Being our resident jaded guy, I'll reply, Melita!

If a guy insists the woman must be the one to make the approach, then there are usually some underlying insecurities. Or, there is a huge ego issue. I would agree with you, Melita, it takes two to tango here. How many women on here are introverts? Theres no way they are going to make the approach. So, if you insist the guy do it every time, both he and she will be lonely for a very long time. Lets just use common sense on this issue and stop throwing the bible under the bus!

spunkycat08 · Feb 5, 2016

AnnHoneywell said:

[TABLE]
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[TD]The Majority Text

King James Version (KJV)
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[TD="width: 250"]The Minority Text

New International Version (NIV)
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[TD="width: 250"]Comments
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[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD="width: 250"]1 John 4:3, " And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist,"[/TD]
[TD="width: 250"]1 John 4:3, " but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist,"[/TD]
[TD="width: 250"]Since the spirit of the NIV does not confess in this verse that "Christ is come in the flesh," it must be the spirit of the antichrist.[/TD]
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[TD="width: 250"]Philippians 2:6, "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"[/TD]
[TD="width: 250"]Philippians 2:6, "Who, being in the very nature of God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,"[/TD]
[TD="width: 250"]The Minority Text contradicts John 10:30, "I and my Father are one."[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD="width: 250"]Matthew 9:13, "for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance." [/TD]
[TD="width: 250"]Matthew 9:13, "For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."[/TD]
[TD="width: 250"]The Minority Text deletes the purpose behind calling sinners![/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 250"]Mark 2:17, " I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."[/TD]
[TD="width: 250"]Mark 2:17, "I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."[/TD]
[TD="width: 250"]-[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD="width: 250"]John 6:47, "...He that believeth on me hath everlasting life."[/TD]
[TD="width: 250"]John 6:47, "...He who believes has everlasting life."[/TD]
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[/TR]
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[TD="width: 250"]Revelation 22:14, "Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city."[/TD]
[TD="width: 250"]Revelation 22:14, "Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city."[/TD]
[TD="width: 250"]Well, it seems we don't have to obey God's Commandments anymore...all you have to do is wash your robes![/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 250"]Galatians 5:12, "I would they were even cut off which trouble you." [/TD]
[TD="width: 250"]Galatians 5:12, "As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!" [/TD]
[TD="width: 250"]In the Majority Text, Paul says that the legalistic trouble makers should be cut off. This is an easy phrase for any non-scholar to understand, it means that they should be disassociated or separated from believers until they change their minds. The Minority Text has Paul cursing the legalists and wishing they would cut off their genitals. Is this a Christ-like example?[/TD]
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[TD="width: 250"]Mark 9:29, "And he said unto them, This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting."[/TD]
[TD="width: 250"]Mark 9:29, "He replied, This kind can come out only by prayer."[/TD]
[TD="width: 250"]-[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD="width: 250"]Matthew 6:13, "And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen."[/TD]
[TD="width: 250"]Matthew 6:13, "And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one."[/TD]
[TD="width: 250"]The Minority text has a strange aversion to God's Kingdom.[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD="width: 250"]Luke 11: 2, "And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, 'Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth. [/TD]
[TD="width: 250"]Luke 11: 2, He said to them, "When you pray, say: "`Father, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come. [/TD]
[TD="width: 250"]The Minority Text also has a strange aversion to 'heaven.' Notice how the references to heaven have been removed in the following verses.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 250"]Hebrews 10:34, "...knowing in yourselves that ye have in heaven a better and an enduring substance."[/TD]
[TD="width: 250"]Hebrews 10:34, "...because you knew that you yourselves had better and lasting possessions."[/TD]
[TD="width: 250"]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 250"]Revelation 16:17, "...and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven..."[/TD]
[TD="width: 250"]Revelation 16:17, "...and out of the temple came a loud voice..."[/TD]
[TD="width: 250"]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 250"]1 John 5:7-8, "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."[/TD]
[TD="width: 250"]1 John 5:7-8, "For there are three that testify: the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement."[/TD]
[TD="width: 250"]The modern versions and textual criticism have a heyday with this verse. The NIV says this verse is "not found in any Greek manuscript before the sixteenth century", yet this verse is found in "The old Syriac A.D. 170, old Latin A.D. 200, Vulgate: 4th and 5th century, Italian 4th and 5th century". Also many church fathers quoted this and it is found in "Liber Apologetic A.D. 350, Council of Carthiage A.D. 415."[/TD]
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[TD="width: 250"]Mark 10:24, "...Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God!"[/TD]
[TD="width: 250"]Mark 10:24, "...Children, how hard it is to enter the kingdom of God!"[/TD]
[TD="width: 250"]We can't have it both ways. It is either hard for those who trust riches to enter into the kingdom of God, or it is hard for everyone to enter into the kingdom of God.[/TD]
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[TD="width: 250"]Luke 4:4, "And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God."[/TD]
[TD="width: 250"]Luke 4:4, "Jesus answered, It is written: Man does not live on bread alone."[/TD]
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[TD="width: 250"]Revelation 2:15, "So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate."[/TD]
[TD="width: 250"]Revelation 2:15, "Likewise you also have those who hold to the teaching of the Nicolaitans." [/TD]
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[TD="width: 250"]Romans 8:1, "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."[/TD]
[TD="width: 250"]Romans 8:1, "Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus."[/TD]
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[TD="width: 250"]Matthew 19:17, "...Why callest thou me good?..."[/TD]
[TD="width: 250"]Matthew 19:17, "...Why do you ask me about what is good?..."[/TD]
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[TD="width: 250"]Matthew 25:13, "...Ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh." [/TD]
[TD="width: 250"]Matthew 25:13, "...You do not know the day or the hour."[/TD]
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[TD="width: 250"]John 8:9, "And when they heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out…"[/TD]
[TD="width: 250"]John 8:9, "At this, those who heard began to go away…"[/TD]
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[TD="width: 250"]1 Timothy 3:16, "...God was manifest in the flesh..."[/TD]
[TD="width: 250"]1 Timothy 3:16, "...He appeared in a body. ..."[/TD]
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[TD="width: 250"]Colossians 1:14, "In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:"[/TD]
[TD="width: 250"]Colossians 1:14, "In whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins."[/TD]
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[TD="width: 250"]1 Peter 1:22, "Ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit…"[/TD]
[TD="width: 250"]1 Peter 1:22, "you have purified yourselves by obeying the truth…"[/TD]
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[TD="width: 250"]Revelation 21:24, "And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it..."[/TD]
[TD="width: 250"]Revelation 21:24, "The nations will walk by its light..."[/TD]
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[TD="width: 250"]No Contradiction
Matthew 26:29, "But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom."
Matthew 27:48, "And straightway one of them ran, and took a spunge, and filled it with vinegar, and put it on a reed, and gave him to drink." [/TD]
[TD="width: 250"]Contradiction
Matthew 26:29, " I tell you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it anew with you in my Father's kingdom."
Matthew 27:48, " Immediately one of them ran and got a sponge. He filled it with wine vinegar, put it on a stick, and offered it to Jesus to drink."[/TD]
[TD="width: 250"]Clearly, if Jesus took wine, sour or otherwise, and drank it on the cross, we have a contradiction that would make Jesus out to be a liar. The Greek word used for "fruit of the vine" at the Last Supper and the Greek word used for "wine vinegar ("sour wine" in some English translations) is not the same Greek word. What Jesus tasted on the cross was water mixed with vinegar, a common drink among the Roman soldiers. This vinegar did not necessarily come from grapes; it could be made from figs, palms, fermented grain extract, etc. Therefore, Jesus did not lie, and the Greek language bears this out. However, the great majority of English Bible translations including such popular ones as the NIV, NASB, NKJV, and the Amplified have Jesus contradict Himself.[/TD]
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This is just too much.

Born_Again · Feb 5, 2016

Born_Again said:

Being our resident jaded guy, I'll reply, Melita!

If a guy insists the woman must be the one to make the approach, then there are usually some underlying insecurities. Or, there is a huge ego issue. I would agree with you, Melita, it takes two to tango here. How many women on here are introverts? Theres no way they are going to make the approach. So, if you insist the guy do it every time, both he and she will be lonely for a very long time. Lets just use common sense on this issue and stop throwing the bible under the bus!

I just realized a typo in this... "If you insist the GIRL do it every time,......"

pete13 · Feb 8, 2016

coby said:

[FONT=&quot]I agree that a woman should tell a man that she likes him, that will count as making an effort. in regards to proposing, you cant just walk up to a man and say will you marry me. before you propose, you will have dated him for a while and have gotten to know him well so you will not be shy to propose to him.You said you want a man to lead you. What exactly do you mean by wanting a man to lead you? do you want man to lead you like the way Muslim men lead their wives in Iran or Saudi Arabia? may be you like that. the bible says that the man will rule over the woman but that rule is a democratic rule and not a dictatorship as the bible also says that a man should love his wife and a man that loves his wife will listen to her opinion and his rule of the home will be a democratic one. You said that Ruth saw that Boaz was shy and she helped him out.I guess you read that in the "coby" international version of the bible. Ruth placed herself in a place to be seen but like i have explained just placing yourself in place to be seen may not work and you still have to initiate conversations and make an effort on your own path to find a husband
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Also, when those girls women I mentioned walked up beside me and started texting on their phone, they clearly wanted me to ask for their phone numbers. Don’t hate the player, hate the game...lol[/FONT]

pete13 · Feb 8, 2016

melita916 said:

In the world today, which gender finds it more difficult to find a partner? Is it the man or the woman? of course it is the woman because a man can easily walk up to any woman and ask her out and as a matter of fact, i can ask you out right now in front of everybody on christianchat.com because i am mature but the woman has this shyness and the belief that a woman's heart should be so hidden in God that a man has to seek him just to find her as a result they don’t make as much effort as the man and consequently they may find it more difficult to find a partner. The reason I started this topic is because I hate to see the look of disappointment on the face of a 35 year plus Christian woman that has not found a husband yet and the look of disappointment on the face of a 35 year plus Christian female divorcee who did not have the maturity to find a Christian marriage that will not end up in divorce. So I am here to encourage women to be mature at an early age, to be strong, and to make an effort on their own path to find a husband

coby · Feb 8, 2016

pete13 said:

[FONT=&quot]I agree that a woman should tell a man that she likes him, that will count as making an effort. in regards to proposing, you cant just walk up to a man and say will you marry me. before you propose, you will have dated him for a while and have gotten to know him well so you will not be shy to propose to him.You said you want a man to lead you. What exactly do you mean by wanting a man to lead you? do you want man to lead you like the way Muslim men lead their wives in Iran or Saudi Arabia? may be you like that. the bible says that the man will rule over the woman but that rule is a democratic rule and not a dictatorship as the bible also says that a man should love his wife and a man that loves his wife will listen to her opinion and his rule of the home will be a democratic one. You said that Ruth saw that Boaz was shy and she helped him out.I guess you read that in the "coby" international version of the bible. Ruth placed herself in a place to be seen but like i have explained just placing yourself in place to be seen may not work and you still have to initiate conversations and make an effort on your own path to find a husband
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Also, when those girls women I mentioned walked up beside me and started texting on their phone, they clearly wanted me to ask for their phone numbers. Don’t hate the player, hate the game...lol[/FONT]

Biblical, the man is the head. Wives obey your husbands. If he obeys God and is not controlling and selfish that is no problem. I don't want a man to see me as his mom. Either a man wants to marry you and proposes or you can nag and beg because he doesn't want to. No thanks. I'm rather alone then with Mr. Right, Jesus.

coby · Feb 8, 2016

pete13 said:

[FONT=&quot]I agree that a woman should tell a man that she likes him, that will count as making an effort. in regards to proposing, you cant just walk up to a man and say will you marry me. before you propose, you will have dated him for a while and have gotten to know him well so you will not be shy to propose to him.You said you want a man to lead you. What exactly do you mean by wanting a man to lead you? do you want man to lead you like the way Muslim men lead their wives in Iran or Saudi Arabia? may be you like that. the bible says that the man will rule over the woman but that rule is a democratic rule and not a dictatorship as the bible also says that a man should love his wife and a man that loves his wife will listen to her opinion and his rule of the home will be a democratic one. You said that Ruth saw that Boaz was shy and she helped him out.I guess you read that in the "coby" international version of the bible. Ruth placed herself in a place to be seen but like i have explained just placing yourself in place to be seen may not work and you still have to initiate conversations and make an effort on your own path to find a husband
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Also, when those girls women I mentioned walked up beside me and started texting on their phone, they clearly wanted me to ask for their phone numbers. Don’t hate the player, hate the game...lol[/FONT]

So they wanted your phone number and you thought neeh.
If you have to walk after a man he doesn't like you.

crosstweed · Feb 8, 2016

Can we just let this die now?
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coby · Feb 8, 2016

Well next time I'll do it like this.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hX1YVzdnpEc

NotmebutHim · Feb 8, 2016

Born_Again said:

Ohhh ok, I was wondering what Tintin's post was referring to. I didn't see anything in any of the OP's posts concerning KJV-onlyism. Unless I missed that................

The false teaching that a woman's heart should be so hidden in God that a man........

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