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ForthAngel

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wattie said:
Man what happened in this bible discussion forum?

I never heard of 'hyper grace' until the last few months coming to post in this forum. I am thinking the OSAS or not threads have been translated to 'hyper grace'.

Many would probably put me in the 'hyper grace' camp.. but what does that mean? That I believe Jesus' payment for my sin is all sufficient? What is 'hyper' about that?

I don get it!

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"Hyper-grace" is a modern construct with it's roots in WoF, charismatica, and the prosperity gospel. It's ecumenical in nature on an extreme level and denies fundamental teachings of scripture for the sake of grace. It denies right judgment, exposing error, and denies the sin nature of man in favor of grace. The doctrine excuses repentance and makes it something other than what the bible defines it as, and most of the proponents of "hyper-grace" theology will preach "don't worry about those sins, put your faith in grace" and deny conscience or correction from the Holy Spirit. The true Gospel is never preached by them, but instead, promises of health, wealth, power, and sin is excused entirely. The Gospel is mentioned and danced around in their sermons, but never fully addressed or explained. It becomes a reference point with no explanation of what it is.

To them, pointing out error, even blatant heresy and blasphemy, is a hateful "religious spirit" and should not be tolerated. Rather, excuse that person because they are under grace and treat them "nicely". They deny the existence of false prophets/teachers because of the extreme ecumenicalism they promote. Self-examination is out of the question. Testing of spirits is out of the question. Rightly dividing the word of truth is out of the question. Any type of right judgment is out of the question. Many of them preach extreme universalism (the idea that all of mankind is saved since the cross). The roots of the hyper-grace movement are traceable to WoF heresy and before that to metaphysical occultism that infiltrated the church in the late 1800s. It's a modern construct with traceable roots that undermines and maligns the Gospel of Christ and grace is distorted beyond biblical recognition.
 
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Grace777x70

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a lot of twisting of the truth being done here ...but it's to be expected....


ForthAngel said:
"Hyper-grace" is a modern construct with it's roots in WoF, charismatica, and the prosperity gospel. It's ecumenical in nature on an extreme level and denies fundamental teachings of scripture for the sake of grace. It denies right judgment, exposing error, and denies the sin nature of man in favor of grace. The doctrine excuses repentance and makes it something other than what the bible defines it as, and most of the proponents of "hyper-grace" theology will preach "don't worry about those sins, put your faith in grace" and deny conscience or correction from the Holy Spirit. The true Gospel is never preached by them, but instead, promises of health, wealth, power, and sin is excused entirely. The Gospel is mentioned and caned around in their sermons, but never full addressed or explained. it becomes a reference point with no explanation of what it is.

To them, pointing out error, even blatant heresy and blasphemy, is a hateful "religious spirit" and should not be tolerated. Rather, excuse that person because they are under grace and treat them "nicely". They deny the existence of false prophets/teachers because of the extreme ecumenicalism they promote. Self-examination is out of the question. Testing of spirits is out of the question. Rightly dividing the word of truth is out of the question. Any type of right judgment is out of the question. Many of them preach extreme universalism (the idea that all of mankind is saved since the cross). The roots of the hyper-grace movement are traceable to WoF heresy and before that to metaphysical occultism that infiltrated the church in the late 1800s. It's a modern construct with traceable roots that undermines and maligns the Gospel of Christ and grace is distorted beyond biblical recognition.
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amen. grace an idol?? Grace IS a part of God the father, and camr by Jesus Christ. it is an attribute of God offered through Jesus Christ, and given to us by the presence of the holy spirit. to idolize grace is a silly thought. True Grace is simply a wonderful part of Gods all consumning character. He is Grace it Shines from within His heart. ive found that some people who preach against grace simply have never received it, and therefore are still wearing the veil of moses that will never allow them to Know Gods True nature. the labels people put in arguing doctrines "hyper-grace. cheap grace ect....they simply do no understand Gods ways. Though they constantly speak of keeping His ways and Laws, they have no understanding of Grace. They cannot see Gods goodness, his mercy, His will that we are saved by His work and the glory and praise we offer is directly from a heart that is filled with Love. We praise not because we are instructed, but because of His grace we have hearts that praise from the depths of Our souls for The God who cares enough to free us and make us new. God bless
 
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ForthAngel said:
"Hyper-grace" is a modern construct with it's roots in WoF, charismatica, and the prosperity gospel. It's ecumenical in nature on an extreme level and denies fundamental teachings of scripture for the sake of grace. It denies right judgment, exposing error, and denies the sin nature of man in favor of grace. The doctrine excuses repentance and makes it something other than what the bible defines it as, and most of the proponents of "hyper-grace" theology will preach "don't worry about those sins, put your faith in grace" and deny conscience or correction from the Holy Spirit. The true Gospel is never preached by them, but instead, promises of health, wealth, power, and sin is excused entirely. The Gospel is mentioned and danced around in their sermons, but never full addressed or explained. It becomes a reference point with no explanation of what it is.

To them, pointing out error, even blatant heresy and blasphemy, is a hateful "religious spirit" and should not be tolerated. Rather, excuse that person because they are under grace and treat them "nicely". They deny the existence of false prophets/teachers because of the extreme ecumenicalism they promote. Self-examination is out of the question. Testing of spirits is out of the question. Rightly dividing the word of truth is out of the question. Any type of right judgment is out of the question. Many of them preach extreme universalism (the idea that all of mankind is saved since the cross). The roots of the hyper-grace movement are traceable to WoF heresy and before that to metaphysical occultism that infiltrated the church in the late 1800s. It's a modern construct with traceable roots that undermines and maligns the Gospel of Christ and grace is distorted beyond biblical recognition.
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interesting. I do not get this out of grace777 x 70's posts. not all you said here anyway. could it be that YOU do not hear your judgemental legalism repeated back to you, so you label it as wrong. perhaps YOU should think about grace, you know, what we ARE saved by.
 
Grace777x70

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Hyper..is a name that Dr. Brown came up with concerning some aspects of the teaching of the grace of Christ that "conflicted" with his beliefs.

This whole thing is like the debate between those that believe in speaking in tongues and those that don't. Both sides see it differently and of course some in the camp that doesn't believe in the gifts of the Spirit say those "tongue talkers" are of the devil and are false teachers...etc..etc......it's the nature of the beast.

wattie said:
Man what happened in this bible discussion forum?

I never heard of 'hyper grace' until the last few months coming to post in this forum. I am thinking the OSAS or not threads have been translated to 'hyper grace'.

Many would probably put me in the 'hyper grace' camp.. but what does that mean? That I believe Jesus' payment for my sin is all sufficient? What is 'hyper' about that?

I don get it!

:)
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crossnote

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Grace777x70 said:
I'm sorry you don't see what is being said about the loveliness of our Lord Jesus and what He has done for us ...so I will leave you with these 2 scriptures and hope that the last one does not apply...bless you.

Acts 20:32 (NASB)
[SUP]32 [/SUP] "And now I commend you to God and to the word of His grace, which is able to build you up and to give you the inheritance among all those who are sanctified.

Hebrews 12:15 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] See to it that no one comes short of the grace of God; that no root of bitterness springing up causes trouble, and by it many be defiled;
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You are subtley twisting the topic which was all about boasting in the grace of God. I said I'd rather boast in the Lord. Read your own OP.
 
Grace777x70

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Actually what is kinda funny is after that "label" was put on people...others started to look at the "hyper" part and sure enough..it is hyper after all.. even though those that sometimes use it in a disparaging way, it is God's grace that is indeed biblically hyper...Who knew?...:)

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Blain

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I just want to understand this hyper grace issue, is the issue that grace is so deep and so abound that we can never out sin his grace? and does it tie into the whole osas issue? I mean I just don't understand what about hyper grace makes people so argumentive
 
ForthAngel

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Blain said:
I just want to understand this hyper grace issue, is the issue that grace is so deep and so abound that we can never out sin his grace? and does it tie into the whole osas issue? I mean I just don't understand what about hyper grace makes people so argumentive
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I am an OSASer just like the hyper-gracers. That is not what is in question here. The gospel they preach is another gospel, namely, prosperity. They wipe out most everything in scripture beyond the grace passages.
 
Grace777x70

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This video here might help to explain it..this video was before people started to use hyper-grace term in a disparaging way..

[video=vimeo;11804054]https://vimeo.com/11804054[/video]


Blain said:
I just want to understand this hyper grace issue, is the issue that grace is so deep and so abound that we can never out sin his grace? and does it tie into the whole osas issue? I mean I just don't understand what about hyper grace makes people so argumentive
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Blain

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ForthAngel said:
I am an OSASer just like the hyper-gracers. That is not what is in question here. The gospel they preach is another gospel, namely, prosperity. They wipe out most everything in scripture beyond the grace passages.
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Well I am not a osas believer exactly to me it isn't just black and white but that debate is for another thread and I wouldn't go into it unless I could learn from it I have no interest senseless debates. But the prosperity gospel is a big no no but I will have to do some research on this hyper grace and what it really means and it's roots and how it affects people, it's not that I don't believe what people say about it I am just one who doesn't blindly believe everything I am told I have to dig and find the truth for myself
 
Blain

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Grace777x70 said:
This video here might help to explain it..this video was before people started to use hyper-grace term in a disparaging way..

[video=vimeo;11804054]https://vimeo.com/11804054[/video]
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if it wasn't so long I would watch it I am currently trying to help some people on here and so I don't have a whole hour to watch a video
 
ForthAngel

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gb9 said:
interesting. I do not get this out of grace777 x 70's posts. not all you said here anyway. could it be that YOU do not hear your judgemental legalism repeated back to you, so you label it as wrong. perhaps YOU should think about grace, you know, what we ARE saved by.
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We have the right to right judgment as Christians. I don't believe in legalism. We are not under the condemnation of the law, but we are not lawless either.

Hyper grace teaches a form of anarchy and all-inclusiveness, all in the name of grace.

Matthew 7
[SUP]21 [/SUP]“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. [SUP]22 [/SUP]On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ [SUP]23 [/SUP]And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

We have commands to follow when we are in Christ. Jesus himself said those who love me will obey my commands. These commands are thrown out the window by the hyper-grace proponents. It's very new agey, very sensual, and very appealing to the flesh.
 
Grace777x70

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No problem!...ask the Lord to show you what He wants for you and trust that the Holy Spirit will guide you into His love and grace...knowing Him is everything!...He will be faithful to you.

2 Peter 1:2 (KJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,


2 Peter 3:18 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.



Blain said:
if it wasn't so long I would watch it I am currently trying to help some people on here and so I don't have a whole hour to watch a video
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Grace777x70

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More untruths and false accusations as usual......God bless you..I know you mean well..

ForthAngel said:
We have the right to right judgment as Christians. I don't believe in legalism. We are not under the condemnation of the law, but we are not lawless either.

Hyper grace teaches a form of anarchy and all-inclusiveness, all in the name of grace.

Matthew 7
[SUP]21 [/SUP]“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. [SUP]22 [/SUP]On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ [SUP]23 [/SUP]And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

We have commands to follow when we are in Christ. Jesus himself said those who love me will obey my commands. These commands are thrown out the window by the hyper-grace proponents. It's very new agey, very sensual, and very appealing to the flesh.
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Grace777x70

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I too like you Blain, am not interested in senseless debates either. Both camps have expressed their views. This has been talked about back and forth a few times so we'll just leave it where it is.

I will confidently leave it in the Lord's hands for the viewers of the thread to listen to the Holy Spirit within them. God bless everyone as they learn of the wonderful grace in our Lord Jesus Christ. He is awesome and mighty to save!



Blain said:
Well I am not a osas believer exactly to me it isn't just black and white but that debate is for another thread and I wouldn't go into it unless I could learn from it I have no interest senseless debates. But the prosperity gospel is a big no no but I will have to do some research on this hyper grace and what it really means and it's roots and how it affects people, it's not that I don't believe what people say about it I am just one who doesn't blindly believe everything I am told I have to dig and find the truth for myself
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ForthAngel said:
We have the right to right judgment as Christians. I don't believe in legalism. We are not under the condemnation of the law, but we are not lawless either.

Hyper grace teaches a form of anarchy and all-inclusiveness, all in the name of grace.

Matthew 7
[SUP]21 [/SUP]“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. [SUP]22 [/SUP]On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ [SUP]23 [/SUP]And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

We have commands to follow when we are in Christ. Jesus himself said those who love me will obey my commands. These commands are thrown out the window by the hyper-grace proponents. It's very new agey, very sensual, and very appealing to the flesh.
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it is o.k. to judge wrong and false things. if someone was saying " hey, all you have to do is just believe in Jesus, then you can live whatever lifestyle you want, and it does not matter what you do or do not do" then that should be judged as wrong teaching.

but because some on here are bragging about and celebrating God's grace to in Christ, you judge that as wrong. so what is the problem?? not enough hell and judgement in it for you??? can one not be happy about grace Salvationism??
 
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Blain said:
I just want to understand this hyper grace issue, is the issue that grace is so deep and so abound that we can never out sin his grace? and does it tie into the whole osas issue? I mean I just don't understand what about hyper grace makes people so argumentive
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They lie and twist scripture. They have the audacity to rip out some of Jesus' words and claim they aren't for new covenant believers. Only satan does that.
 
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gb9 said:
interesting. I do not get this out of grace777 x 70's posts. not all you said here anyway. could it be that YOU do not hear your judgemental legalism repeated back to you, so you label it as wrong. perhaps YOU should think about grace, you know, what we ARE saved by.
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We've been watching this closely for a while. We know what we're talking about.
 
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