With that I definitely agree.
I do not... agree with a mid-trib rapture of the Church.
The final 7th Trumpet - 3rd Woe is shown in Rev.11 to end the tribulation, and begin Christ's eternal reign over all nations, and marks the time of the 7th Vial with God's cup of wrath upon the wicked. That is "day of the Lord" timing when God's consuming fire will destroy man's works off this earth (2 Pet.3:10).
The "day of the Lord" timing is when Jesus said that He comes "as a thief", still warning His Church on the 6th Vial just prior to the gathering of Satan's host to pour out the 7th Vial wrath upon them (Rev.16:15-17). That aligns with Jesus' coming to destroy that Wicked one of 2 Thess.2:8 with the "brightness of His coming."
That is the same day... of the resurrection on the "last trump" per Paul in 1 Cor.15. God's OT prophets gave many parallels to God's destruction upon the earth on that final day of The LORD (Zech.14).
How can I take you seriously when you say that 2 Thess.2 Scripture has nothing to do with the tribulation, when Paul gave us the strongest event point of the tribulation there, i.e, the appearance of the coming Antichrist sitting in the temple of God in Jerusalem working great signs and wonders to deceive the whole world into wrongly worshiping him in place of God? And then even with Paul's clear declaration of our Lord Jesus coming to destroy that Wicked one with the brightness of His coming, which marks the end of that tribulation by that false one?
By that, Paul marked the timing of our Lord Jesus' coming to gather His Church after the trib of that Wicked one's working, i.e., when He comes to destroy that Wicked one with "the brightness of His coming." Aren't you aware why Paul would use that "brightness" description? We were shown about it in the OT prophets, especially in the Zech.14:6-7 verses.
I just showed you how it does, marking the END of the tribulation. That Wicked one, man of sin, that comes to do that 2 Thess.2:4 event is about the tribulation time when that false one comes to power in Jerusalem. That's the same one of Rev.13 that is to have power over all nations for a period of 42 months, the same beast king of Rev.17 that will rule one symbolic hour with the ten kings. If he is still in power, the trib has not ended. If he is destroyed by Christ's coming he is no longer in power and thus no more trib. It's as simple as that.
Paul's purpose of writing that was to clear up misunderstanding about the order of events leading up to Christ's coming and gathering of His Church. So your statement is irrelevant to that. What happens after... Christ's return is written in Rev.20 with His future "thousand years" reign, which is also written of in the OT prophets like Zech.14 and Ezekiel 40 through 48.
Well, YES, it certainly DOES mean the tribulation period is... over, done, no more, never to ever happen on this earth again, as the beast and the false prophet are cast into the "lake of fire" on the day of Christ's return per Rev.19. Your saying that above is a vain attempt to create a loop hole in the Scripture to fit in a doctrine of men.
Jesus within the 6th Vial timing is still warning His Church that He comes "as a thief", pointing to the coming final 7th Vial destruction on the "day of the Lord" (remember Paul and Peter about that "day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night", and will be a "sudden destruction" upon the wicked?) Day of the LORD = 7th Vial timing, not 1st Vial timing.
This means Vials 1-6 are poured DURING the tribulation period, not after it. That point should... be very easy to understand, since the beast is still reigning even ON the 6th Vial timing! The nations aren't gathered around Jerusalem for the final battle of Armageddon until the ending of the 6th Vial. On the 7th Vial God's cup of wrath is poured out upon them.
Note also per latter Zech.14 Scripture, some of the wicked that came upon Jerusalem on that last day survive and are required to go up from year to year to Jerusalem during Christ's Millennial reign to worship Him.
You're simply not... heeding these following Scriptures as written:
Rev 16:12-15
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
KJV
Do you not see the dragon and the beast "working miracles" on that 6th VIAL timing??? That is tribulation time still there at that point.
Then just prior to the final 7th Vial, our Lord Jesus warns His Church about His coming "as a thief" next on the 7th Vial!
You cannot... move Jesus' coming to gather His Church back to the 1st Vial timing per that Scripture flow!!! It's impossible! Wake up!
The 7th Trumpet and 7th Vial BOTH... occur at the SAME time is what those events show! The way you are trying to interpret the Seals, Trumpets, and Vials is similar to how pre-trib does, as if the order of events depended on each set of Seals, Trumpets, and Vials happening each in a separate order like how John was given to see them and write them down. That is not... the order of the events how they happen though.
In the following I will highlight in bold colors,these parallel events that show these 6th Seal, 7th Trumpet, and 7th Vial events are all the SAME timing on the very LAST DAY of this world:
Rev 6:12-17
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of Him That sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17For the great day of His wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
KJV
Rev 16:15-21
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And He gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of His wrath.
20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.
KJV
Rev 11:15-19
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.
16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17 Saying, We give Thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, Which art, and wast, and art to come; because Thou hast taken to Thee Thy great power, and hast reigned.
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto Thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear Thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in His temple the ark of His testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake,and great hail.
KJV
I do not... agree with a mid-trib rapture of the Church.
The final 7th Trumpet - 3rd Woe is shown in Rev.11 to end the tribulation, and begin Christ's eternal reign over all nations, and marks the time of the 7th Vial with God's cup of wrath upon the wicked. That is "day of the Lord" timing when God's consuming fire will destroy man's works off this earth (2 Pet.3:10).
The "day of the Lord" timing is when Jesus said that He comes "as a thief", still warning His Church on the 6th Vial just prior to the gathering of Satan's host to pour out the 7th Vial wrath upon them (Rev.16:15-17). That aligns with Jesus' coming to destroy that Wicked one of 2 Thess.2:8 with the "brightness of His coming."
That is the same day... of the resurrection on the "last trump" per Paul in 1 Cor.15. God's OT prophets gave many parallels to God's destruction upon the earth on that final day of The LORD (Zech.14).
How can I take you seriously when you say that 2 Thess.2 Scripture has nothing to do with the tribulation, when Paul gave us the strongest event point of the tribulation there, i.e, the appearance of the coming Antichrist sitting in the temple of God in Jerusalem working great signs and wonders to deceive the whole world into wrongly worshiping him in place of God? And then even with Paul's clear declaration of our Lord Jesus coming to destroy that Wicked one with the brightness of His coming, which marks the end of that tribulation by that false one?
By that, Paul marked the timing of our Lord Jesus' coming to gather His Church after the trib of that Wicked one's working, i.e., when He comes to destroy that Wicked one with "the brightness of His coming." Aren't you aware why Paul would use that "brightness" description? We were shown about it in the OT prophets, especially in the Zech.14:6-7 verses.
I just showed you how it does, marking the END of the tribulation. That Wicked one, man of sin, that comes to do that 2 Thess.2:4 event is about the tribulation time when that false one comes to power in Jerusalem. That's the same one of Rev.13 that is to have power over all nations for a period of 42 months, the same beast king of Rev.17 that will rule one symbolic hour with the ten kings. If he is still in power, the trib has not ended. If he is destroyed by Christ's coming he is no longer in power and thus no more trib. It's as simple as that.
Paul's purpose of writing that was to clear up misunderstanding about the order of events leading up to Christ's coming and gathering of His Church. So your statement is irrelevant to that. What happens after... Christ's return is written in Rev.20 with His future "thousand years" reign, which is also written of in the OT prophets like Zech.14 and Ezekiel 40 through 48.
Well, YES, it certainly DOES mean the tribulation period is... over, done, no more, never to ever happen on this earth again, as the beast and the false prophet are cast into the "lake of fire" on the day of Christ's return per Rev.19. Your saying that above is a vain attempt to create a loop hole in the Scripture to fit in a doctrine of men.
Jesus within the 6th Vial timing is still warning His Church that He comes "as a thief", pointing to the coming final 7th Vial destruction on the "day of the Lord" (remember Paul and Peter about that "day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night", and will be a "sudden destruction" upon the wicked?) Day of the LORD = 7th Vial timing, not 1st Vial timing.
This means Vials 1-6 are poured DURING the tribulation period, not after it. That point should... be very easy to understand, since the beast is still reigning even ON the 6th Vial timing! The nations aren't gathered around Jerusalem for the final battle of Armageddon until the ending of the 6th Vial. On the 7th Vial God's cup of wrath is poured out upon them.
Note also per latter Zech.14 Scripture, some of the wicked that came upon Jerusalem on that last day survive and are required to go up from year to year to Jerusalem during Christ's Millennial reign to worship Him.
You're simply not... heeding these following Scriptures as written:
Rev 16:12-15
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
KJV
Do you not see the dragon and the beast "working miracles" on that 6th VIAL timing??? That is tribulation time still there at that point.
Then just prior to the final 7th Vial, our Lord Jesus warns His Church about His coming "as a thief" next on the 7th Vial!
You cannot... move Jesus' coming to gather His Church back to the 1st Vial timing per that Scripture flow!!! It's impossible! Wake up!
The 7th Trumpet and 7th Vial BOTH... occur at the SAME time is what those events show! The way you are trying to interpret the Seals, Trumpets, and Vials is similar to how pre-trib does, as if the order of events depended on each set of Seals, Trumpets, and Vials happening each in a separate order like how John was given to see them and write them down. That is not... the order of the events how they happen though.
In the following I will highlight in bold colors,these parallel events that show these 6th Seal, 7th Trumpet, and 7th Vial events are all the SAME timing on the very LAST DAY of this world:
Rev 6:12-17
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of Him That sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17For the great day of His wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
KJV
Rev 16:15-21
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And He gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of His wrath.
20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.
KJV
Rev 11:15-19
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.
16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17 Saying, We give Thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, Which art, and wast, and art to come; because Thou hast taken to Thee Thy great power, and hast reigned.
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto Thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear Thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in His temple the ark of His testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake,and great hail.
KJV
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