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The propensity for making so many of the senseless proclamations uttered on this forum could be greatly curtailed if only we all TRIED to learn to read.
 

seoulsearch

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I'm always interested in how people become who they are.

I know most people will frown upon this, but I did not grow up in an atmosphere where reading or learning was considered important. My parents didn't buy us books or educational materials aside what was needed for school, though we were encouraged to do well in school, and they got us tutors when we needed them. The only book I can remember my Mom reading to us as kids (besides Bible devotionals) was "Goodnight Moon", and as an adult, I bought my own copy, which will forever be a part of my permanent library. (I just recently discovered "Goodnight iPad"... Sigh. The don't make 'em like they used to.)

But my family came from a background of people who had built their careers by starting at the bottom, doing the things no one else wanted to do, and eventually making a good run of it--without any additional education, so the emphasis in my family was always work. This was also during a time in which education wasn't seen as the cornerstone as it is today. And my siblings and I have also found success in work that did not require a higher education, even though in some cases, it was obtained on the side. My parents never pushed any of us to go to college at all, but were fully supportive when we made the decisions to go. Ironically, we all wound up in jobs in which our degrees are not required. (Oh, the money I could have saved...)

A few weeks ago, my Mom and I were watching a pair of cardinals outside the window. I told her I was going to look them up on Wikipedia for more information and she proclaimed in mock horror, "Oh no! NOT something educational!! You mean I'm going to have to LEARN something?? NNOOOO!!!" and we both laughed, knowing how much others would look down at us for saying that.

She always says, "I have no idea how I wound up with such intellectual children."

(P.S. Don't tell her I'm NOT the intellectual one. It just might break her heart. :p)
 
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CatHerder

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Here's how romeo and juliet would read today...

Olde version:

"Romeo Romeo wherefore art thou Romeo?"


Today's version:

"Dude, where you at???!!"
"Hey dude! Where you at?" would be more authentic Shakespeare, as it is in iambic pentameter.
 

spunkycat08

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The propensity for making so many of the senseless proclamations uttered on this forum could be greatly curtailed if only we all TRIED to learn to read.
I am still trying to wake up while reading this, and so my brain is not fully functional.

Are you suggesting that the christianchat members read posts that are difficult to read due to the way they are written and then try to make sense of what the person is trying to convey?

Are you suggesting that the christianchat members read in general so that the posts we write make sense?
 

seoulsearch

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"Hey dude! Where you at?" would be more authentic Shakespeare, as it is in iambic pentameter.
*sigh*

Shour is back.

Sirk is back.

psychomom is back.

And now... Catherder is back.

I said this in another thread but... Wowsers. It's a GREAT time to be on CC. :p

Nothing but trouble... and good times... will be had by all.
 
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coby

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This is one of those times when one wishes they could like a post more than once.

It drives me crazy that even the self-appointed "experts" on grammar and spelling (like the ones in the article) make a myriad of errors themselves while condemning others for supposedly not being as "proficient" as they are.

Or at least... as much as they THINK they are.

(I know, I know... I'm sure I probably didn't even word or structure that last thought correctly but hey, what better way to make a point. ;))
Lol yes once a grammar nazi here correcting someone while he made a mistake himself. Didn't say it. Don't want to become a grammar nazi hunter.
Oh my dad was a teacher. He'd correct the guy from the local supermarket if he made a mistake.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=52vIwQrzHDw
 
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coby

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It was so funny. Once on another forum a Scottish guy started a thread that English was so hard and I said something and then a girl who studied English in England responded to what I said and said: English verb sences (or something?) suck.
So I'm not that good in English. I thought she said my grammar was bad and told her well you go try post in Dutch. You're just like my dad.
Hahahahaha no response. It turned out she didn't correct me at all but was being helpful. That was so funny. I totally didn't understand what she wrote and she didn't understand my response The Lord has a lot of humor with this Babel thing.
 
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The other night I was reading an online news article written in Dubai for a Dubai news site and I was pleasantly shocked at how perfect the grammar was and how there weren't any typos! It was like night and day compared to the garbage that passes for online journalism these days.
 
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Here's how romeo and juliet would read today...

Olde version:

"Romeo Romeo wherefore art thou Romeo?"


Today's version:

"Dude, where you at???!!"

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Just fyi, WHEREFORE means WHY. So Juliet isn't asking WHERE Romeo is, she's asking WHY is he Romeo...meaning, why is he a Montague and the enemy of her family the Capulets. This is the beginning of the "what's in a name" speech.
 
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There are a couple of reasons why young people struggle with writing.

Several people have mentioned the issue of READING good material. Part of the problem is that you can't "microwave" the reading process. It's a SLOW process. Audiobooks aren't quite the same, nor is reading on a device (studies have shown that we retain the information more when we read actual books). Reading involves taking the time to get to know a character and their situation. Even on the boards here recently, someone was complaining about how To Kill a Mockingbird is too long...that it could have been written in 50 pages.

Another reason that children don't read is because many parents don't read. 28% of Americans don't read ONE book in a year. If you want to increase the likelihood of your child being a reader, you need to read yourself.

So, with all the other competing distractions, a lot of students will opt out of doing something slower, and choose to do something that seems more stimulating (but usually doesn't involve the brain to the same degree).

Part of the deal with students and writing is that writing is flat out HARD. If you consider, WRITING is the last thing we acquire regarding language: first we learn to speak, then read, then write. Writing involves multiple skills at once. It's a lot of THINKING and PROCESSING. It's also a slower process. In my career I've seen many students opt out of writing because they're intimidated by it. They'll engage in an amusing number of manipulations to get out of it.

What students (and parents, frankly) often fail to understand is that writing is a means of organizing our thinking. The more writing we do, the more organized our thinking can become. Organized thinkers make really great employees and citizens. Of course, they tend to be harder to manipulate and control.
 

Oncefallen

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I'm all for it, except cars won't run anymore.. will diesels still run? Maybe we go back to coal and steam power? Horses are an option too. I guess it's ok then...
Anything with a computer is done, the fuel doesn't matter.

Old carbureted gas engines or mechanical injected diesels will still run, but re-fueling will be a problem since gas stations will be shut down since the pump systems are all computerized and regardless of that there wouldn't be any electricity to power the gas station since the entire electrical grid is computerized.
 
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