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Thanks Ben, but that does not clarify Grace saying
that Cain came with what was acceptable to God.
This seems to have hit a raw nerve.. oh yes there many forms of both legalism and antinomianism. I've been on here long enough to have seen both..even recently.
I don't think I am ignorant in any of the two (certainly no expert) but not ignorant
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uh...not quite...just going to watch the vid now...long day and yesterday was longer...still 24 hrs though
believing we are a tripartite being...yes
And once again; YOU STILL SIN, so your whole argument falls apart!
If you actually believe you no longer sin, then state it here and now, once and for all. If you can't do that, then you're just like the rest of us.
You so love to avoid what John also wrote: "Everyone who is begotten of God does not sin, and cannot sin because he is begotten of God." (1 John 3:9)
You avoid it because you are well aware that you still sin. And so, by your own twisted doctrine, you are thus not begotten of God.
When John said 'if we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us', he said that in the present tense!
Meaning; we have sin, because we sin!
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hey thanks ~
I'm aware of those scriptures of course, but disagree it is an actual 'new' spirit as in the old one went off on a permanent vacation
our spirits are made alive by the Holy Spirit once we receive Christ
in the same sense, we do not have a LITERAL heart of stone
and of course the Holy Spirit indwells us...not sure why you would seem to think I believe otherwise?
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psalmist...sorry... I just simply cannot watch a vid that is over an hour long
want to explain in your own words why you think we get an actual NEW spirit rather than a RENEWED spirit?
thanks...maybe I am misunderstanding what you are saying?
This seems to have hit a raw nerve.. oh yes there many forms of both legalism and antinomianism. I've been on here long enough to have seen both..even recently.
I don't think I am ignorant in any of the two (certainly no expert) but not ignorant
Nope, not hitting a nerve.
I just think its a rather silly thing to accuse people of because all too often the person preaching grace is preaching the grace of God that sets us free from sin's dominion. Antinomianism presents a doctrine that promotes licentiousness and that is not what God's word does. So when that word is tossed around, its usually used to justify another person's self-righteous actions and make them feel like their actions account for something in their salvation or standing with God.
Nope, not hitting a nerve.
Antinomian doesn't necessarily equate to licentiousness. Antinomian just means lawless. Those who are against commandments of any kind (e.g., the false grace mvmt) are lawless (antinomian).
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well, you know, that's truly just precious, because YOU do that to people quite often
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So it must be so lol yes because of your doctrin. I was not saved as John was and Thorben Sondergaard who says he believes he got really saved when God set him totally free from having to do the same sins over and over, but I was a christian. I was a pastor's wife, I prayed 2 hours every morning, raised my kid from the dead, was healed, had a relationship with the Lord, spent hours a day with Him and did not live in sin at all and had forgiven everyone. If you call that a nonbeliever well I don't mind.
It is a lie that it's only unbelief. There are so many people who saw christians who lived in sin in hell. Do you believe married homosexuals go to heaven too? That guy I could not date now why would that be? The men in Holland do not wait til marriage and he called living in sin marriage. I live in Sodom and Gomorrah here. That's why I see girls backslide. They want a guy so they go live in sin because he doesn't want to marry. Paul says fornicators do not inhabit the Kingdom. He says do not be deceived. He's not talking to non christians here but to the Corinths who lived in sexual sin, then got saved, but he had to have birth pangs for some of them again because they had not converted from their former walk.
if eternal security is obedience then that makes our salvation based on works not grace.
My eternal security was given to me when i cried out to him but more than that it was given to because he calls me his because he wrote on my forehead the word Mine just as I wrote my name on his heart claiming it as my own. This is an event that actually happened with him and I, it was done with only the most intimate and endearing love and feelings for each other even today I bear his mark unseen by the naked eye yet still on my forehead is the words Mine.
I have eternal security but it came at a great and terrible cost but not from me it requires the beating the blood and death of one who was innocent who knew no sin, and now that I have this gift of eternal security what do I intend to do with it?
Nope, not hitting a nerve.
Hi Ben,
My comment obviously has hit a nerve with you, maybe even conscience?
I never mentioned anyone about grace. I was refering to the topic at hand. Read again my post #252. And after you have read my post and realised you have jumped to conclusions, maybe you should revisit your Thread on character assination
It doesn't just mean lawless, it actually means to insinuate that the one subscribing to a doctrine, that appears antinomian, is practicing lawlessness. Many people throughout history have been accused of Antinomianism, even your favorite cult (Gnostics).
It is an attempt to say that the doctrine or beliefs of the other lead to licentiousness and not a life of holiness or sanctification.
New as in the way Vine's talks about the greek word new..
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not "new" in time, recent, but "new" as to form or quality, of different nature from what is contrasted as old
Vine's Expository Dictionary of Old Testament and New Testament Words. Unquote
It's probably just in "terms" used....our old spirit ( old man ) was crucified with Christ and when He rose from the dead so did our spirit ( our inner man )...born-again in the spirit.....as you say - we didn't lose our old spirit that went on vacation..lol..( that was funny )
We found out that we are all saying the same thing..
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not "new" in time, recent, but "new" as to form or quality, of different nature from what is contrasted as old
Vine's Expository Dictionary of Old Testament and New Testament Words. Unquote
It's probably just in "terms" used....our old spirit ( old man ) was crucified with Christ and when He rose from the dead so did our spirit ( our inner man )...born-again in the spirit.....as you say - we didn't lose our old spirit that went on vacation..lol..( that was funny )
We found out that we are all saying the same thing..
Hi Ben,
My comment obviously has hit a nerve with you, maybe even conscience?
I never mentioned anyone about grace. I was refering to the topic at hand. Read again my post #252. And after you have read my post and realised you have jumped to conclusions, maybe you should revisit your Thread on character assination
I was just addressing your comment that both sides, Antinomianism, and Legalism, are on this site. I haven't seen it, and no nerve was struck. I was simply stating that I haven't seen it here, once. Can you give me an example of someone who is Antinomian? Thanks.
Also, I didn't character assassinate you in any way. Though you saying people here are of antinomian belief could be considered so.
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That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. John 3:6
The new spirit we receive is our old spirit REGENERATED...it becomes alive in Christ
Just the same way, we are dead in our sins prior to salvation...does not physically dead; rather spiritually dead
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He only says that if you are obedient to Him which you are you are eternally secure. Your obedience proves that you're eternally secure. If someone is not obedient and wants to live in sin they can loose their salvation. To those like you Paul says: go on the way you do. To the other group: don't be deceived and repent.