An Apology

Born_Again · Mar 14, 2016

I would like to apologize, Christian family on ChristianChat.

I am apologizing...because I placed an unfair expectation on many of you. I came to ChristianChat expecting to find out how to become rich in God, gain the money needed, give back to prosper Christianity, and move from here. I now know that to not be the case.

I also apologize...because I assumed many of you here had achieved wordly success, and may have known how to achieve it in Christ. I'm not potshotting anyone, but if someone truly was able to achieve worldly success in life, I should have known better than to think they would have the physical time required to fellowship on an online forum. That was my fault, and I'm sorry for expecting more than I should have.

I came thinking I could have found someone who made a strong six-figure income, and took some time out of their day to find someone they can guide. I was foolish to have thought so. Many Christians I have met...95% of them, have not achieved success, and the 5% that have...are not on sites like this.

I came looking for money, success, a dream, and a vision, ALL IN CHRIST, to make my life better. You cant do that on the internet. You need to go through the process, and fight for your success. I have over 20 years of failures, dissapointments, loneliness, frustration, and denial, and for me to have thought Jesus could fix or cure it...makes ME the idiot for pursuing that angle, and I'm sorry I came here with that focus.

If you came here to feel better and be in fellowship, amen. You're in the right place.
If you want money...you want to be admired by the opposite sex...if you want a house in the next 2-5 years...if you want blessing for your business or enterprise to thrive...if you want ANYTHING of gain in your life..

...Jesus Christ cannot help you. At all.
All he did was offer himself to die on a cross for your sins.
If your life is great, fantastic, you have an added benefit in Jesus' selfless sacrifice.
If your life sucked, sorry. Jesus' death and ressurection is the only thing you can look forward to.

Folks, the bible wasn't meant for victory in this world. It's just a history of God.
God blesses some. He curses some.
If you were blessed, lucky you. BE SUPREMELY THANKFUL.
If you were cursed, God crapped on you. Sorry. Better luck next time. God expect you to be thankful for your lack of blessing. If you're a believer, you must be thankful for the crap he loaded on you.

Some of you are ok with that. AWESOME.
Some of you are disturbed by that fact. Sorry. THIS is the truth of Christianity.

Christ has died, Christ is risen, Christ will come again. The end.
Anything else, you're on your own bub.

I understand now, CC.
Sorry for all of that. I wont be pushing any issues anymore, because the truth has been laid to bare.

If you desire success, it's not God who blesses you with it...it's your OWN COMPOUNDED ACTIONS, over a CONSISTENT and PERSISTENT period of time, that make the difference.

This is the truth.
Make your decision.

Good day.

I remember when he came in chat asking about this stuff. Its good to see his perspective change.

RickyZ · Mar 14, 2016

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RickyZ said:

kaylagrl said:

It's true, thank you, but I've been worrying that my lack of time caused me to rush an answer. The OP, Depleted, and many others (myself included) have been sucked dry and then some. The funny thing is that even tho you've given all there is to give, that doesn't mean they stop taking. And it's all too easy to think that if God is all powerful then He must be the one sticking it to us. But there's a difference between having authority and enforcing it. God doesn't enforce it. And that's not being ineffectual, He does so in order to give us the ability to partner in bringing His will and authority to bear in this world. Think of it like a Sherriff; the Sherriff holds authority but he doesn't actually patrol the streets. His deputies patrol the streets enforcing his authority, not their own. Jesus/God are the authority - but until He returns it is up to us to act as His deputies and enforce it in this world... a world currently under the authority of satan. That goes back to what I first said about satan only attacking people he sees as a threat to his authority. I've always held that one can tell how powerful one might be in the kingdom of heaven by how hard hell works to hold them under. Op, Depleted, look at it that way. The harder satan hits you, take that as an indicator of just how hard you can smack him back... and then some, 'cause our God is greater right? Then do it.

All of us, do it. Paul healed and delivered how many, yet lived how long with his thorn? I've often wondered if that was because no one had the balls - I mean faith to walk up to him and lay a hand. I've noticed that we can't heal and deliver ourselves - but we can heal and deliver each other. Our afflictions are an indicator of just how bad we fail at healing and delivering each other. And gee, who has an interest in seeing that happen?

To my brothers and sisters - We are here to share and show and learn of the love of God. The OP may or may not be a troll but HE IS HERE and this is our once chance to expose them to the reality of God's love. Jack, you come back here as often as you want, because at least Blain and I and a few others recognize that you're here at the call of the Holy Spirit. And we're going to love you into heaven no matter how hard you try to attack us.

Depleted, Op, I pray for you, that you see the hurt you have suffered is not of God, and that your brothers and sisters can deliver you of it. Brothers and sisters, I pray you see OP, Depleted, and the trolls for the injured parties they are, and extend a hand and word of healing and faith and encouragement to them all.

In Jesus Name, Amen over all of us!

jasonj · Mar 14, 2016

RickyZ said:

It's true, thank you, but I've been worrying that my lack of time caused me to rush an answer. The OP, Depleted, and many others (myself included) have been sucked dry and then some. The funny thing is that even tho you've given all there is to give, that doesn't mean they stop taking. And it's all too easy to think that if God is all powerful then He must be the one sticking it to us. But there's a difference between having authority and enforcing it. God doesn't enforce it. And that's not being ineffectual, He does so in order to give us the ability to partner in bringing His will and authority to bear in this world. Think of it like a Sherriff; the Sherriff holds authority but he doesn't actually patrol the streets. His deputies patrol the streets enforcing his authority, not their own. Jesus/God are the authority - but until He returns it is up to us to act as His deputies and enforce it in this world... a world currently under the authority of satan. That goes back to what I first said about satan only attacking people he sees as a threat to his authority. I've always held that one can tell how powerful one might be in the kingdom of heaven by how hard hell works to hold them under. Op, Depleted, look at it that way. The harder satan hits you, take that as an indicator of just how hard you can smack him back... and then some, 'cause our God is greater right? Then do it.

All of us, do it. Paul healed and delivered how many, yet lived how long with his thorn? I've often wondered if that was because no one had the balls - I mean faith to walk up to him and lay a hand. I've noticed that we can't heal and deliver ourselves - but we can heal and deliver each other. Our afflictions are an indicator of just how bad we fail at healing and delivering each other. And gee, who has an interest in seeing that happen?

To my brothers and sisters - We are here to share and show and learn of the love of God. The OP may or may not be a troll but HE IS HERE and this is our once chance to expose them to the reality of God's love. Jack, you come back here as often as you want, because at least Blain and I and a few others recognize that you're here at the call of the Holy Spirit. And we're going to love you into heaven no matter how hard you try to attack us.

Depleted, Op, I pray for you, that you see the hurt you have suffered is not of God, and that your brothers and sisters can deliver you of it. Brothers and sisters, I pray you see OP, Depleted, and the trolls for the injured parties they are, and extend a hand and word of healing and faith and encouragement to them all.

In Jesus Name, Amen over all of us!

Matthew 5:11-12 " blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil things against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad for great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they treated the prophets who were before you."

pearce · Mar 14, 2016

This post can be seen in many ways. But i beg people to see it as confusion, and refrain from posting in response if it be of a nasty nature. For i know our friend is not the only one who has battled ego.
In short i see my prayers as not a request but to let god know of my intention. In short what my earthly consciousness requires for my earthly needs. But most of all that is personal and i rarely share.
The answer in my opinion to your post is this....when you begin feeling the lord and following his teachings, you will become a personality of wisdom. People will be attracted to you . You will forgive, you will be humble you wont chat about people behind their backs, you will see people as what and who they are. When you meet people you will be in the moment and focus on them , generous and forthcoming.
When you finally let go of these earthly possessions you will experience complete freedom and contentment.
Dont read god , live it. Then maybe just maybe...that presence will strengthen you to aquire what you desire.

Depleted · Mar 14, 2016

RickyZ said:

The real God (the only God) takes elephant crap to compost his garden. He's the one who designed creatures to crap, and dang if he doesn't use that crap he designed to happen in useful ways.

I will never ever believe in a god who isn't to blame for all of what happens. I do not have to make excuses for the real God. He knows what he's doing, even if I'm not found of this much crap! Ultimately, I'm very fond of a beautiful garden! I'm a gardener, so I know the usefulness of crap even when I don't like it. (Same thing with bugs in the compost. Grosses me out, but they too are needed.)

One thing I do get from The Book of Job. God's not sitting back while Satan does his thing. Satan has to ask God's permission BEFORE doing his thing! Again, blame God! He is worthy. And he is right! Blame God, just like I blame the Denver Broncos for winning that Super Bowl. Blame God! Stop thinking Satan's all that and a bucket of chips. He's not even a bucket of chips!

Depleted · Mar 14, 2016

kaylagrl said:

If the OP would come clean and stop saying such outrageous things he would be taken seriously. People think a person is trolling when they have two different names without an explanation. More than patient is just an expression. Perhaps "very patient" is a better term.I'm quite surprised he hasn't been banned for many of the things he's said. As a person who was in ministry Im willing to listen to anyone who wants to talk, and I have done just that countless times. But when someone was being disrespectful I would call them on it. Then Id say,"now,if you can be respectful,we'll talk". So I say the same to the OP,you want to be respectful of the Lord and tell us why you feel as you do and whats under it all,we can talk. I know you agree with most of what I said.

The only thing I disagreed with was my ability at patience. LOL

Depleted · Mar 14, 2016

Born_Again said:

Really? He used to like God then?

I'm not so sure I like the change then.

Depleted · Mar 14, 2016

kaylagrl said:

Oh, and now I disagree with this.

Depleted · Mar 14, 2016

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RickyZ said:

It's true, thank you, but I've been worrying that my lack of time caused me to rush an answer. The OP, Depleted, and many others (myself included) have been sucked dry and then some. The funny thing is that even tho you've given all there is to give, that doesn't mean they stop taking. Yeah, but lately, because I have nothing more to give, I notice the giving is still happening. Not from me, but God through me. Probably a good place to be, since my giving isn't ever as good as his. (and the depleted-regain cycle is such that I do refill at times, so it's no guarantee who is getting what out of me -- me or God? And it's all too easy to think that if God is all powerful then He must be the one sticking it to us. No. God's not sticking it TO me. He's sticking it FOR me. The difference between getting a shot of cyanide or a shot of B12. God gives what we need to get better, not poison. But there's a difference between having authority and enforcing it. God doesn't enforce it. BUPKIS! Big, overwhelming BUPKIS! You make excuses for God when he needs no excuse! He does enforce. Reread Job. God is NOT on vacation letting everyone get bombarded willy-nilly for no purpose. He IS the Enforcer and is perfect at it! This is the theology I hate. And this theology is exactly why Alexander feels free to say what he says. Why worry about it if God doesn't care? Apparently God is too laid back to care, according to this theology. That is NOT the God of the Bible. That's the easier-to-take invented god of modern theology, which has conformed to the world. And that's not being ineffectual, He does so in order to give us the ability to partner in bringing His will and authority to bear in this world. Who is this god you serve that needs partnering? Think of it like a Sherriff; the Sherriff holds authority but he doesn't actually patrol the streets. God is not a mere sheriff. He IS God. Sheriffs hold up laws others create. His deputies patrol the streets enforcing his authority, not their own. Jesus/God are the authority - but until He returns it is up to us to act as His deputies and enforce it in this world... a world currently under the authority of satan. And once you demote God, then you raise us up to places we don't belong. We enforce what to whom? And we're the ones battling Satan? You think mighty high of your skill levels and mighty low of God's. That goes back to what I first said about satan only attacking people he sees as a threat to his authority. I've always held that one can tell how powerful one might be in the kingdom of heaven by how hard hell works to hold them under. Op, Depleted, look at it that way. The harder satan hits you, take that as an indicator of just how hard you can smack him back... and then some, 'cause our God is greater right? Then do it. And now Alexander and I are the same? Enough with this silly analogy. It isn't real. It isn't right. It belittles God and raises Satan up to even worthy of paying attention to and fight. Like we have mad skills to fight Satan! You can't even tell the difference between a believer and a non believer yet judge anyway. Not just us. You dare to judge God as inept and laid back.

Nah! You're just totally wrong and making up your own version of god.

All of us, do it. Paul healed and delivered how many, yet lived how long with his thorn? I've often wondered if that was because no one had the balls - I mean faith to walk up to him and lay a hand. I've noticed that we can't heal and deliver ourselves - but we can heal and deliver each other. Our afflictions are an indicator of just how bad we fail at healing and delivering each other. And gee, who has an interest in seeing that happen?

To my brothers and sisters - We are here to share and show and learn of the love of God. The OP may or may not be a troll but HE IS HERE and this is our once chance to expose them to the reality of God's love. Jack, you come back here as often as you want, because at least Blain and I and a few others recognize that you're here at the call of the Holy Spirit. And we're going to love you into heaven no matter how hard you try to attack us.

Depleted, Op, I pray for you, that you see the hurt you have suffered is not of God, and that your brothers and sisters can deliver you of it. Brothers and sisters, I pray you see OP, Depleted, and the trolls for the injured parties they are, and extend a hand and word of healing and faith and encouragement to them all.

In Jesus Name, Amen over all of us!

Now, time for me to go fight the real fight. The one God gave me to fight. To take care of hubby.

Tinuviel · Mar 14, 2016

I forgive you Alexander. Not for what you were asking for, because you weren't really apologizing for that. I forgive you for the deceit you practiced in naming this thread, for the offensive terms you applied to my LORD and for a very rude attitude. I'm sorry you feel this way, but I forgive you for it.

JesusLives · Mar 14, 2016

O.K. you want a success story I will give you one. My parents both died by the time I was 12 and from then until I got married at the ripe age of 17 I lived from house to house with different Christians. Well maybe that is the crapped on part. But the success part is that even though things started out kind of rough God took care of me. How? Well not by making me a millionaire...

Even after going through a divorce at 24 God helped me raise my daughter on my own under his watchful eye. He helped me land a job at a great company that I kept for 25 years with great pay and bonuses for someone who did not have a college education.

God supplies the air I breathe daily, the water I drink, the food I eat and best of all He keeps my heart pumping allowing me to continue to live to serve Him, after all I was put on this earth for service not to be served and God has been so faithful to me I just wish I could say I have always been faithful to Him but I have failed on this many times.

I am successful because God has helped me to get a home, have a daughter, keep food in the frig and clothes on our backs. No I have never made six figures, but I am still successful because God owns everything and I belong to Him. One day I plan to walk on streets of Gold right beside Him.... maybe we can discuss success more then... No apologies needed.

Blain · Mar 14, 2016

Angela53510 said:

First, there are a few people on this thread, (not to name names) who are terribly naive. I don't see anywhere in the Bible where God tells us to be naive, especially when a troll comes mocking.

“Behold, I am sending you out as sheep in the midst of wolves, so be wise as serpents and innocent as doves" Matt 10:16

With regards to the original OP, I was a bit shocked that anyone could write such vile garbage and get away with it. Well, fortunately he didn't. The OP has a total lack of understanding of what Jesus came to do. He came to "save us from our sins."

"Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ,4 who gave himself for our sins to deliver us from the present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father" Gal 1:3-4

Finally, this lie from the pit of hell about Jesus being about getting money, here is a Word from Christ himself.

"And calling the crowd to him with his disciples, he said to them, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.35 For whoever would save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake and the gospel's will save it. For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world and forfeit his soul?" Mark 8:34-36

I pray the OP will not forfeit his soul, at the rate he is going!

(What?? Not the BDF? You could have fooled me!)

lol you don't have to say my name I know I am naive

RickyZ · Mar 14, 2016

Depleted said:

So you're just along for the ride, with a god who says he loves you but regularly dumps elephant crap on you. You have no part to play and are 100% subject to the whims of this merciless being. Can't help you there. Enjoy the ride. And the crap. Because what you believe is purely just that.

Blain · Mar 14, 2016

RickyZ said:

no she isn't just along for the ride, she has been hurt in her life and her heart still has open wounds from it and the wounds of the heart are the hardest and the slowest of all wounds to heal and some people deal with pain differently and sometimes it takes others a lot longer to heal those wounds than others.

Believe me she loves God she has a very strong daughter and father like relationship with him.

kaylagrl · Mar 14, 2016

Depleted said:

Hahahahah I can have patience but it depends on the circumstance. If the OP continues being sincere I will listen. If he starts mocking God,saying some of the things he's said in the past I will be flagging him.This is what begins arguments that get threads shut down. When someone is here to cause trouble we need to flag them and let the mods deal with them.

kaylagrl · Mar 14, 2016

Depleted said:

I dont remember the post I commented on. I have sometimers,sometimes I remember and sometimes I forget.I'll have to search it out.

kaylagrl · Mar 14, 2016

Depleted said:

I think we'll always have trails in this life,we live in a fallen world. But to say God craps on us,like the OP said,no I dont agree with that.

RickyZ · Mar 14, 2016

Blain said:

Yeah, I really need to resist the temptation to chime in when I don't have the time for a proper response.

Depleted · Mar 14, 2016

RickyZ said:

Nope, that's the god you pretend the real God is to make people like me, who know where I stand in God try to feel guilty. I'm no kid. I've got the scars and the trophies in God.

You can't handle truth. Want to see the proof? Tell me how your pretend dod didn't do THIS to hubby and me. (And read the whole thing, or stop playing the holier-than-thou game.)

Want to know who I am? I'm the tulip coming out of a winter layering of elephant crap! I AM becoming who the real God has been working on for decades -- little by little, step by step, fish belly to ship deck just to get where he always knew he'd get me to go and right on time!

You cannot take away what GOD is doing for me or my husband!!!

tourist · Mar 14, 2016

No apologies are necessary.

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