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[HeRoseFromTheDead]

They actually call THEMSELVES 'grace believers' ?
And this is officially classified as a cult?
Is there an official leadership, like the old
JimJones or Branch Davidians or what was it....
Jeffries or something?
Also, what organization labels them hyper-grace?
And why?
I have heard of mormons, jw's, moonies, urantians, adventists,
zoroasters, rosicrucians, muslums, hindus, buddhists,
various cults and false religions, but 'the grace believers'?
Do they have an official doctrine or their own 'bible/teachings'?
I appreciate any info. Thx.

Yes they call themselves grace believers. Somebody (maybe Michael Brown) called it hyper-grace, and the name stuck.

No official leadership; just a hodgepodge of teachers who all learn from each other and sell books. Joseph Prince is one of the most egregious offenders.

Michael Brown has kind of taken a lead in opposing this false teaching. Here he is

[video=youtube;wVeQUcL8YCs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uJMSvLVRJY[/video]

 

[Nikki84]

This hyper grace crowd imo has left for a new gospel. The fact the TV preachers are now espousing this should raise flags of warning. I (speaking for myself) do not trust TV preachers

 

[nu2see]

I had an unfortunate incident on a thread the other day.
Someone posted some strange doctrine that seemed
very legalistic, but it was quite convoluted, so it was
hard to figure out what the point was.

When I challenged him, another poster jumped in
and basically put words in my mouth, accusing me
of saying things I never said, and he lied about me also.
We hadn't even interacted before this.

When I pointed out he was a liar, he came back with
another false accusation, and categorized me as being
in some group or camp, of which I am not.
Perhaps this is the group or 'cult' being referred to?

I assure you, I belong to no cult or heresy group.
Interestingly enough, the first person apologized
(somewhat), and we haven't had cross words since,
but the second one never did, though I offered my hand.

As far as tvevangelists, they seem to be all over the map.
Some I consider pretty sound, solid bible teachers,
and pastors with a heart for all of God's ppl.

Others seem a bit extreme in their use of
God's Word and what biblical faith really is,
and some are just wacky, or obvious money-grubbers.

But I was not aware of an organized cult.....
except loosely in the sense that some of them
teach the same things, and seemed to have
been taught by the same teachers or the same methods.

I haven't seen anything on this site, though, that I would
consider any where near a 'cult',
as I understand the meaning.

(This post may be late, after other replies,
or explanations. I don't type very quickly
or accurately, so I'm always correcting typos,
and falling behind the conversation.)

 

[Grace777x70]

There are so many myths and half truths .....I encourage people to hear from the horse's themselves as so much is twisted and unfounded accusations...

I encourage all readers to check out the threads on 'grace"..as they will have all the answers and the usual accusations in them explained...remember people "twist" things a lot..

here some "myths" are debunked by the so-called hyper-grace labelled people...

Search Results hyper grace myths – Escape to Reality

 

[Grace777x70]

I saw that happened to you..that guy is with the people that accuse grace believers of all kinds of junk...like grace believers want to sin all they want..lot's of garbage like that.....the guy you dealt with is not with the "grace believers"..the complete opposite actually...

I had an unfortunate incident on a thread the other day.
Someone posted some strange doctrine that seemed
very legalistic, but it was quite convoluted, so it was
hard to figure out what the point was.

When I challenged him, another poster jumped in
and basically put words in my mouth, accusing me
of saying things I never said, and he lied about me also.
We hadn't even interacted before this.

When I pointed out he was a liar, he came back with
another false accusation, and categorized me as being
in some group or camp, of which I am not.
Perhaps this is the group or 'cult' being referred to?

I assure you, I belong to no cult or heresy group.
Interestingly enough, the first person apologized
(somewhat), and we haven't had cross words since,
but the second one never did, though I offered my hand.

As far as tvevangelists, they seem to be all over the map.
Some I consider pretty sound, solid bible teachers,
and pastors with a heart for all of God's ppl.

Others seem a bit extreme in their use of
God's Word and what biblical faith really is,
and some are just wacky, or obvious money-grubbers.

But I was not aware of an organized cult.....
except loosely in the sense that some of them
teach the same things, and seemed to have
been taught by the same teachers or the same methods.

I haven't seen anything on this site, though, that I would
consider any where near a 'cult',
as I understand the meaning.

(This post may be late, after other replies,
or explanations. I don't type very quickly
or accurately, so I'm always correcting typos,
and falling behind the conversation.)

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

LOL..it's a construct of HeRose's mind....there is no such thing as a cult of 'grace believers"..that's hilarious! He doesn't agree with some teachings about the grace of Christ in His finished work and thus those people are satanic...it's foolishness,....the person you guys are talking about..I have no idea what they believe about the grace of Christ..HeRose just used that to attack "grace believers"

...it's a common thing to be mis-represented and accused of all kinds of garbage...this CC is full of true grace believers....people that have a works-based salvation mindset are especially aggressive against the message of the gospel of the grace of Christ...it's the nature of the beast...

The main reason that I call "grace" teachers satanic is because they teach that some of Jesus' words do not apply to all new covenant believers. Only satan tries to take away from what Jesus said. Judgment is coming your way for doing the same.

 

[Nikki84]

The main reason that I call "grace" teachers satanic is because they teach that some of Jesus' words do not apply to all new covenant believers. Only satan tries to take away from what Jesus said. Judgment is coming your way for doing the same.

They accuse us of adding to the gospel when we have done no such thing. They have taken away from the gospel and now have their own gospel. This is one of the many false gospels warned of in scripture

 

[nu2see]

Brown vid took way too many rebuffers, finally...
Seemed like an ad for a tv show.

I don't usually go for trying to use other ppls
tv shows to accuse other ppl of what
they might believe, or to use a third party
to do my arguing for me too much.

I mean, I understand some may think this
guy is a good teacher, but if a couple of
ppl are having a friendly debate over doctrine
on a chat site, the ppl on a video have no
knowledge of that, and may even change their
own views after hearing a side they haven't
considered before.

Point being, if we're brothers and sisters here,
we should be able to do like Jesus said, and
'come and reason together...'.

Instead of using a third parties opinion on a
video as being fact, why don't we just
say what we believe, and why, and try
to encourage one another in the truth.

(Naahh, THAT'S no fun! Lol)

 

[ladylynn]

I had an unfortunate incident on a thread the other day.
Someone posted some strange doctrine that seemed
very legalistic, but it was quite convoluted, so it was
hard to figure out what the point was.

When I challenged him, another poster jumped in
and basically put words in my mouth, accusing me
of saying things I never said, and he lied about me also.
We hadn't even interacted before this.

When I pointed out he was a liar, he came back with
another false accusation, and categorized me as being
in some group or camp, of which I am not.
Perhaps this is the group or 'cult' being referred to?

I assure you, I belong to no cult or heresy group.
Interestingly enough, the first person apologized
(somewhat), and we haven't had cross words since,
but the second one never did, though I offered my hand.

As far as tvevangelists, they seem to be all over the map.
Some I consider pretty sound, solid bible teachers,
and pastors with a heart for all of God's ppl.

Others seem a bit extreme in their use of
God's Word and what biblical faith really is,
and some are just wacky, or obvious money-grubbers.

But I was not aware of an organized cult.....
except loosely in the sense that some of them
teach the same things, and seemed to have
been taught by the same teachers or the same methods.

I haven't seen anything on this site, though, that I would
consider any where near a 'cult',
as I understand the meaning.

(This post may be late, after other replies,
or explanations. I don't type very quickly
or accurately, so I'm always correcting typos,
and falling behind the conversation.)

Wow Nu2see!! The same thing happened to me. And I'm not involved in any cult either, and never have been. One of the many reasons I don't like or use labels. Labeling people is very lazy. And it does something that is very disrespectful to another Christian when we are on these forums.

It dismisses people and all they say based on a label and how well the label user can apply that label against another person who may disagree with their point of view. Anything that even slightly resembles the label is built up and used to throw another rock on the persons reputation. ewwww i dislike that sooooo much.

Diminishing others is in my opinion very horrible. Jesus always builds us up and lovingly leads His sheep. The enemy always condemns and seeks to destroy us. he is the accuser of the brethren. As far as I'm concerned, while contributing to these forums I need to be careful not to allow my opinions to ever be more important than the people here.

When I see that happening I stop and come back later. Being human comes alllll too easily.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Brown vid took way too many rebuffers, finally...
Seemed like an ad for a tv show.

I don't usually go for trying to use other ppls
tv shows to accuse other ppl of what
they might believe, or to use a third party
to do my arguing for me too much.

I mean, I understand some may think this
guy is a good teacher, but if a couple of
ppl are having a friendly debate over doctrine
on a chat site, the ppl on a video have no
knowledge of that, and may even change their
own views after hearing a side they haven't
considered before.

Point being, if we're brothers and sisters here,
we should be able to do like Jesus said, and
'come and reason together...'.

Instead of using a third parties opinion on a
video as being fact, why don't we just
say what we believe, and why, and try
to encourage one another in the truth.

(Naahh, THAT'S no fun! Lol)

You asked, I responded, and you complained? Last I respond to you.

 

[ladylynn]

There are so many myths and half truths .....I encourage people to hear from the horse's themselves as so much is twisted and unfounded accusations...

I encourage all readers to check out the threads on 'grace"..as they will have all the answers and the usual accusations in them explained...remember people "twist" things a lot..

here some "myths" are debunked by the so-called hyper-grace labelled people...

Search Results hyper grace myths – Escape to Reality

As usual Grace777, I very much agree with you. It's important to find out what is really being said and not what someone "thinks" is being said. Thanks for the links, they are always helpful.

 

[nu2see]

The main reason that I call "grace" teachers satanic is because they teach that some of Jesus' words do not apply to all new covenant believers. Only satan tries to take away from what Jesus said. Judgment is coming your way for doing the same.

You admittedly call teachers of grace, satanic?
That's a pretty harsh judgement, don't you think?
I'm not sure where satan ever taught grace to anyone,
but I'm willing to hear about your source for that position.

They accuse us of adding to the gospel when we have done no such thing. They have taken away from the gospel and now have their own gospel. This is one of the many false gospels warned of in scripture

See...I can't follow this kind of discussion.
I mean no offense, but who is the 'they' doing the accusing...
who is the 'us', ... What is the 'this' that is a false gospel.
The vagueness of posts like this leave me wondering
what the person believes, and their point.

 

[coby]

Brown vid took way too many rebuffers, finally...
Seemed like an ad for a tv show.

I don't usually go for trying to use other ppls
tv shows to accuse other ppl of what
they might believe, or to use a third party
to do my arguing for me too much.

I mean, I understand some may think this
guy is a good teacher, but if a couple of
ppl are having a friendly debate over doctrine
on a chat site, the ppl on a video have no
knowledge of that, and may even change their
own views after hearing a side they haven't
considered before.

Point being, if we're brothers and sisters here,
we should be able to do like Jesus said, and
'come and reason together...'.

Instead of using a third parties opinion on a
video as being fact, why don't we just
say what we believe, and why, and try
to encourage one another in the truth.

(Naahh, THAT'S no fun! Lol)

There are grace preachers that say you don't have to confess your sins, future sins are forgiven and if you do the things Paul explicitly warns for that those do not inhabit the Kingdom it doesn't matter for salvation.
Brown has some very good things to say about it.

A Personal Word to My Hyper-Grace Friends — Charisma News

 

[ladylynn]

You admittedly call teachers of grace, satanic?
That's a pretty harsh judgement, don't you think?
I'm not sure where satan ever taught grace to anyone,
but I'm willing to hear about your source for that position.

See...I can't follow this kind of discussion.
I mean no offense, but who is the 'they' doing the accusing...
who is the 'us', ... What is the 'this' that is a false gospel.
The vagueness of posts like this leave me wondering
what the person believes, and their point.

YAAAAAYYYY A common sense thinker!!!!!!! YAHOOOO CLAP! CLAP! CLAP! APPLAUSE! APPLAUSE!!

 

[nu2see]

You asked, I responded, and you complained? Last I respond to you.

I asked YOU who this 'cult' was, and you posted someone else's opinion on a video.
I couldn't watch the video, it kept buffering, but I tried,
and the first 5 choppy minutes were an ad for a guy
named sid roth's tv show, and some discussion
accusing some other ppl of wanting to sin or something.

Why are you running away?
You referred to ppl being in a cult,
then said ppl who teach grace are satanic.
All I'm asking is what it is you believe in,
and a little conversation around the Word of God.
So what if we disagree on some things,
would that necessarily mean we're not
brothers in Christ?

Ppl can post all kinds of videos, and just
sit back and let the videos argue with each other.
Not sure how that would help any of us grow
in grace, and the knowledge of the Lord.

 

[Grace777x70]

Here is what the so-called hyper grace people say about confession of sins...grace believers are for confession of sins....

Myth 2: Hyper-Grace Preachers are Against Confession – Escape to Reality

 

[Persuaded]

I am amazed at what I have read on this forum.. I did not realize there was so much false teaching and misunderstanding out there.
I guess I have been insulated from it these 20 or so years I have lived out here in the Boston Mountains.
I think I will just stay here.

 

[Nikki84]

Here is what the so-called hyper grace people say about confession of sins...grace believers are for confession of sins....

Myth 2: Hyper-Grace Preachers are Against Confession – Escape to Reality

I went to your link and your preacher has no idea what confession of sins is. I would get away from this guy, but that's me

 

[ladylynn]

There are grace preachers that say you don't have to confess your sins, future sins are forgiven and if you do the things Paul explicitly warns for that those do not inhabit the Kingdom it doesn't matter for salvation.
Brown has some very good things to say about it.

A Personal Word to My Hyper-Grace Friends — Charisma News

Hi Coby, Just watched the video you posted and read your post here too. I like that Michael Brown is trying to bridge a gap he sees and is trying to reason out why people do and believe what they believe. He has an opinion on the subject as well yet he is trying to figure out why people see the way they see.
I can very much appreciate that.

For me faith can't be figured out. How God can take a person who steps out in faith....the person starts believing literally what the Bible says and the Holy Spirit teaches... then that person finds even more assurance in God's Word when God follows through in His promises... That is going to be life changing for a believer.

And because we are human is going to bother other people because maybe they didn't have a prayer answered the same way. (comparing is another - DO NOT DO) God deals with us as individuals and dearly loved. I just read on the forums about a woman who says that is not a good thing. oh dear it is ALWAYS a good thing to believe God loves you dearly for who you are just as I am without one plea.

Some people are very emotional. We each react differently to things that happen in our lives. And at different times in our lives we reacted differently depending on age or hormones or issues we are going through. Emotions are part of us but not always reliable and at times our emotions can't be taken too seriously. Emotions can lead us to react too much to something that is not that important.,OR too little to something that is VERY important.

Thus..for me emotions are not my reliable source. I have many emotions but see how flippy they can be.
And also am very very glad God is not dealing with us according to our emotions. One of the reasons I am thankful that repentance isn't about "sorrow" as much as it is about changing our minds about God and changing our minds to how God sees something. In other words agreeing with God.

Judas was very sorry for his stupidity and repented by trying to make it right by giving back the money he received. And Judas was so sorry he even gave his life by killing himself. That was THEEEE most unselfish thing Judas could do it would seem. Did that move God? no. Judas acted on his own beliefs and not on what Jesus taught.

What moves God is faith. Without faith it is impossible to please God. We are called to live by faith and not by sight., or our feelings or someone elses feelings or opinions. The just shall live by faith.
Faith in what God says goes against human reason and human ability. It would seem like a wacky way to live by all human reasoning and it is (by human reasoning)

Heb.11:1 Now faith is the assurance the confirmation, the title deed of the things we hope for, being the proof of things we do not see and the conviction of their reality..faith perceiving as real fact what is not revealed to the senses. Amplified Bible

 

[Grace777x70]

I guess it goes against your religious upbringing...I understand that..it did mine too before my mind got renewed to the gospel of Christ.......it is all backed with scripture..,,a lot of things of this nature are like the "speaking in tongues " debate....is it for today or not?....those that speak in tongues are not phased at all by the critics..,but each to their own...bless you.......

I went to your link and your preacher has no idea what confession of sins is. I would get away from this guy, but that's me