Paster Women?

[Chuckt]

Thank you Chuckt, I even ran conversation (as behavior) and then double checked it off of other verses where it is actually helpful. I think you have given me something here thank you.

So "without" the word (still) as far as a wife teaching her husband, but chaste behavior (versus conversation) as would typically count it, although not really because your conversation is a part of your behavior as well. Well, that might be be an obvious thing (even if not written in) in order to win another with (especially ones husband). Might not change much in that verse but cross checking throughout in respects to other verses was very helpful as well.

Thanks again Chuckt I appreciate that one. God bless you

Men want to come home from work, sit down and relax or chill without talking.
Women wait for their husbands to come home and all they want to do is talk.
The combination doesn't work until there is a compromise.
I'm sure some people are an exception to the rule and some people have jobs that make them want to talk because they didn't talk to someone all day.

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

Men want to come home from work, sit down and relax or chill without talking.
Women wait for their husbands to come home and all they want to do is talk.
The combination doesn't work until there is a compromise.
I'm sure some people are an exception to the rule and some people have jobs that make them want to talk because they didn't talk to someone all day.

I am probably the exception I dont really get into conversing with my husband. But I make everything he loves homemade, and will have his dinner prepared for him when he come home, but I secretly cant wait till he gets up and goes in back room to watch his TV so I can study in quiet, and because I hate the TV (and he loves it).

I communicate all day online (with my fingers) so I am all talked out by the time he comes home as well lol

 

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GAL 3:26-29
26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith,27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

This is speaking of our standing as saved in Christ. Otherwise, seriously the functions differ..women still have babies, men don't. Also why would Peter call women the weaker vessel if there was no difference?

Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.
(1Pe 3:7)

 

[crossnote]

Brother, that statement is beneath you........there are good Godly Christians who believe in the Ordaining of Women but would NEVER consider such as you suggest. Honestly........I am actually insulted by this.

Tough. Start believing God's Word as it is actually written. I never said ordination so please don't twist my words. I said specifically pastors. Missionaries yes, pastors no.

 

[crossnote]

I know the scriptures say that a women cannot be in authority over a man but it doesn't seem right something seems to be missing. I know father he is not sexist and doesn't play favorites he will use whoever he sees fit for whatever he sees fit and knowing his nature I can't buy this whole sexist thing.

true enough it does make the scriptures seem like that is how he feels but even so something doesn't sit right with me on this.
But as for authority wise I wouldn't say that a pastor is in a state of authority, a church to me is like family and everyone plays their part in it and is just as important as the next. If anyone is in authority within a church it's God not the pastor or anyone else, i think that the pastor is a teacher but I don't think that a pastor alone can run a church they need the rest of the family.

If God ever wanted me to build a church it would work like a family not an organized group, there wouldn't be sense of authority or anyone being above anyone else but everyone would have different jobs.

Time to choose Blain...your feelings or God's Word.

But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
(1Ti 2:12)

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

This is speaking of our standing as saved in Christ. Otherwise, seriously the functions differ..women still have babies, men don't. Also why would Peter call women the weaker vessel if there was no difference?

Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.
(1Pe 3:7)

I would have highlighted that way (lol)

The honour part and hindered prayer part goes overlooked whats up with that?

In the OT shows prayers being hindered because of a mans treatment of his wife too,

 

[crossnote]

What about Deborah? They had to listen to their own husband, so they're not in authority if they're a pastor anyway, because the husband wants it and she submits to him. And a single woman like Corrie ten Boom has proved God wants women to preach.

I was speaking of pastoring in the Church not Israel in Canaan. Deborah was an exception because the men acting like women and wouldn't step up to the plate so Deborah did.

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

Here it is, you can weave these in the context of a married mans prayers and see agreement in the same

Mal 2:13 And this have ye done again, covering the altar of the LORD with tears, with weeping, and with crying out, insomuch that he regardeth not the offering any more, or receiveth it with good will at your hand.

"Yet" ye say

Mal 2:14 Yet ye say, Wherefore? Because the LORD hath been witness between thee and the wife of thy youth, against whom thou hast dealt treacherously: yet is she thy companion, and the wife of thy covenant.

Where as Paul says...

Col 3:19 Husbands, love your wives, and be not bitter against them.

Looking at this (again) just in the context of husbands and wives (or the wife of "thy covenant") and following it through with Peters word to husbands this time

Mal 2:13 And this have ye done again, covering the altar of the LORD with tears, with weeping, and with crying out, insomuch that he regardeth not the offering any more, or receiveth it with good will at your hand.

So he regardeth not the husbands prayers (as we have an altar in heaven) as Peter speaks of the same thing

1Peter 3:7 Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.

And in Malichi the husband is dealing treacherously with the wife and the head of him comes in to correct thru a "silence from heaven" himward to get him to self correct.

I always thought that was cool

 

[crossnote]

You old male chauvinists should go and get a life and stop being dinosaurs, for the Scriptures DO NOT support your rather warped views that women can't preach, teach and pastor, indeed the Devil has darkened your mind on this subject, for you have ripped 2 Scriptures out of context and dismissed ALL the other Scriptures that show women ministering in the Church!

The context of 1Tim 211,12 and 1Cor 14v34,35 is to do with domestic matters, NOT Church practice!

So Paul is a male chauvinist? Duly noted!!

This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil. Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre; Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience. And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless. Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things. Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well. For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.
(1Ti 3:1-13)

 

[crosstweed]

I was speaking of pastoring in the Church not Israel in Canaan. Deborah was an exception because the men acting like women and wouldn't step up to the plate so Deborah did.

We, of course, never see this in the church.

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

I was speaking of pastoring in the Church not Israel in Canaan. Deborah was an exception because the men acting like women and wouldn't step up to the plate so Deborah did.

Your on a roll tonight LOL

 

[crossnote]

So, we're back to the organized church situation again, huh? Things that are seen. Credibility and self-identification and who submits to whom according to man's understanding. Religious doctrines and laws and cares of this life and churchy taboos formulated in man's mind. *sigh*

Praise God for the liberty we have in Jesus Christ!

We walk by faith and not by sight.

In the world, but not of it. \/ YAY!!!

No. Hopefully we get back to Scripture though.

 

[jaybird88]

I was speaking of pastoring in the Church not Israel in Canaan. Deborah was an exception because the men acting like women and wouldn't step up to the plate so Deborah did.

did Deborah step up to the plate on her own free will? or was she chosen for this position by the Almighty Himself. i thought she was a prophet of the Lord.
so a woman is ok for our Lord to chose but not so ok for us to chose? or am i missing something

 

[crossnote]

as a serious response to this.... I don't know for sure.

I was raised to believe that women were not to be "preachers", as in, pulpit type, over groups/churches...

Of course, there was Priscilla, who taught on an individual basis with her husband, which Paul was apparently ok with.

I'm getting to the point (slowly) that we as Christians have set up many of the teachings of Jesus and Paul as our own "new" Law, just like the Old Law. We worry about nit-picky details, and whether we are following what was taught us "exactly".

I'm not sure that was God's intention. We are under grace, not law. We are to be in the process of "becoming" more IN Jesus. Is it that important what the gender is of the person that helps others in their process of becoming?

Like I said, I don't know, at this point... my understanding is evolving, hopefully growing, and I'm still working on it in my mind.

Are we to be Christian "literalists" or "legalists"... or are we to be more in Christ?

Thanks for your response. It reflects very well the state of Christendom today...not sure.
There was a day when the lay Christian knew what he believed and why he believed because he was rooted in God's Word.
Today we are drifting into feelings, one's own understanding, Gnosticism and mysticism and wonder why the church is so anemic.

 

[crossnote]

Fun fact, it was a woman preacher (joyce meyer) that led me to Christ in the wee hours of the morning while I was getting ready for work. My cell phone died that morning. Like it went kaput completely. So in stead of listening to my usual deathmetal music that morning, I sat down a flipped on the TV and for the first time ever I sat and watched her program..... The rest is well, all God.

Scripture says the Holy Spirit leads us to Christ not Joyce.

Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
(Joh 16:13)

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

did Deborah step up to the plate on her own free will? or was she chosen for this position by the Almighty Himself. i thought she was a prophet of the Lord.
so a woman is ok for our Lord to chose but not so ok for us to chose? or am i missing something

The LORD shall sell Sisera into the hand of a woman was really into the hand of Jael rather then Deborah no? I mean she killed Sisera not Deborah or Barak (and his thousands of men) right?

 

[crossnote]

Crossnote--Liberal Theology always leans towards ordaining women as well as homosexuals and other forbidden groups.
Liberalism is an arch enemy of God's Word ...always questioning it, doubting it, making ungodly allowances...etc.

I am really worried...concerned even...that you would somehow lump women with homosexuals

you really have stripped some gears with the comparisons you seem to be making

let's see if we have it straight now

women....homosexuals...liberals....

one thing to state you don't think women should be a pastor...but that is not what you did, is it!

you seem to show utter disdain for women...pastors or otherwise

You stripped my quote and mixed it up.
I was speaking of those who ordain women and homosexuals. Why is it always the churches who no longer hold to the full inerrancy of Scripture?...The enemies of God's Word, there lies the commonality. Today's Church is drinking the swill.

 

[crossnote]

Hahahahahahaha women have to shut up but a donkey can speak.

Women as pastors is the topic, try to focus.

 

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Some thoughts to consider:

In 1 Corinthians 14, Paul was dealing with issue of the behavior of the women in the church he had planted there. These women were new to the faith and they were still quite immersed in their pagan worship practices. Notice also, that Paul uses the word "husband" to refer to the men. In other words, he wasn't saying that all women should keep silent in church at all times, but that the women (in the role of wives) should ask their husbands at home (as a way of showing respect to the worship order). So this passage is focusing on the husband-wife relationship as it pertains to proper worship, not men and women in general.

In 1 Timothy 2, Paul used the article "I" when he said that a woman should not have authority over a man. It wasn't a command given directly by God; otherwise Paul would've said something to the effect of "The Lord says" or "It is written" that women should not exercise authority over men. Granted, there are some instances where it would be sinful for women to usurp authority from men (one such being the husband/wife relationship), but again, it depends on the circumstances.

I say this, not to get approval from the ladies or to encourage them to sin against God's order, but rather in an effort to try to understand Scripture.

1Tim 2:13-14 takes the matter beyond any local practice and extends it back to Adam and Eve.

But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
(1Ti 2:12-14)

 

[crossnote]

I would have highlighted that way (lol)

The honour part and hindered prayer part goes overlooked whats up with that?

In the OT shows prayers being hindered because of a mans treatment of his wife too,

In that passage I'm only showing there are differences between a man and a woman. Too many try pulling the "In Christ there is neither male nor female" routine. It just doesn't wash when it comes to women being pastors.