The first miracle performed by Jesus was turning water into wain. If consuming alchohol is a sin then, do you think Jesus sin also? I personally believe that its okay to consume alchohol but not until drunk because that might get you into trouble.
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If Its sin In your mind,then Its sin.
If your drinking Is affecting someone else,think of them because JESUS died for us and rose again.
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Romans 12:1-2
King James Version(KJV)
1.)I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
2.)And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
What If there Is a brother In CHRIST that has a weakness to It and he sees you with the occasional beer?
What If there Is a brother In CHRIST that has a weakness to It and he sees you with the occasional beer?
I'm not going to partake in the presence of such a brother or sister, but if I did, I reiterate, it still does not make it a sin.
I personally am not against responsible use of alcohol. I, however, do not drink it. I surely do not look down at someone who has a drink now and then.
I don't see how occasional moderate consumption of alcohol is prohibited in the bible. The first miracle that Jesus performed, at the request of His mother was to turn water into wine at the wedding in Cana.
Personally, I gave up drinking years ago to set a good example for my alcoholic brother. Alas, he still drinks, but that was my intention.
I believe that it would be alright for you to have a drink or two at the wedding. I would not consume more than that however. If your tolerance for alcohol is low you may want to consider having a designated driver.
Personally, I gave up drinking years ago to set a good example for my alcoholic brother. Alas, he still drinks, but that was my intention.
I believe that it would be alright for you to have a drink or two at the wedding. I would not consume more than that however. If your tolerance for alcohol is low you may want to consider having a designated driver.
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crosstweed
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Mmm... while drinking on one's own watch is between you and God, knowingly doing anything that would hinder a sibling in Christ spiritually does in fact make it a sin. You are placing your personal appetite in a higher place of importance that the spiritual wellbeing of another living soul, which isn't loving your neighbor as yourself. Paul wrote quite extensively about it, actually.
Romans 14:
13 Therefore let us not pass judgment on one another any longer, but rather decide never to put a stumbling block or hindrance in the way of a brother. 14 I know and am persuaded in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself, but it is unclean for anyone who thinks it unclean. 15 For if your brother is grieved by what you eat, you are no longer walking in love. By what you eat, do not destroy the one for whom Christ died.16 So do not let what you regard as good be spoken of as evil. 17 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking but of righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. 18 Whoever thus serves Christ is acceptable to God and approved by men. 19 So then let us pursue what makes for peace and for mutual upbuilding.
20 Do not, for the sake of food, destroy the work of God. Everything is indeed clean, but it is wrong for anyone to make another stumble by what he eats. 21 It is good not to eat meat or drink wine or do anything that causes your brother to stumble.[a] 22 The faith that you have, keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the one who has no reason to pass judgment on himself for what he approves. 23 But whoever has doubts is condemned if he eats, because the eating is not from faith. For whatever does not proceed from faith is sin.[b]
1 Corinthians 8:
9 But beware lest somehow this liberty of yours become a stumbling block to those who are weak. 10 For if anyone sees you who have knowledge eating in an idol’s temple, will not the conscience of him who is weak be emboldened to eat those things offered to idols? 11 And because of your knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died? 12 But when you thus sin against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, you sin against Christ. 13 Therefore, if food makes my brother stumble, I will never again eat meat, lest I make my brother stumble.
What If there Is a brother In CHRIST that has a weakness to It and he sees you with the occasional beer?
That's only an issue if you KNOW your brother in Christ has a weakness to it. If you don't know it, and you're in a situation where it's normal to have a drink or two, then, again, there is absolutely nothing wrong with it.
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Stephanie1984
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Thanks everyone. I would say the majority of the people at this wedding will be drinking as I know most of them. I'm going to try and not have anything to drink..
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crosstweed
Guest
The Scriptues teach "temperance" not "abstinence" in regards to consuming alcohol!
Each individual can choose to consume alcohol in a "temperate" manner or not, just whatever they feel suits them!
I personally don't drink alcohol, but this is my perference, however, nearly all my friends, both Christian and non Christian do drink, but they respect my choice not to.
These are the two extremes. 1. People who drink too much and have a problem 2. People who don't drink at all and have a problem with anyone who drinks at all.
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Hellooo
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Truth there...........
Still, I'm waiting to see the List of all the GOOD things that come from drinking.
You know, the guy whose life was in the toilet, no hope, no ambition, no desire to do better, no family, no fortune, nothing.......THEN, he turned to DRINK! And the world became all roses and sunshine!
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Good. As long as you have Christian friends that don't mind wine, then you won't be stuck thinking the pastor got that right. I worried that was the stuff taught every week, instead of the Bible.
As for drinking with sugar? Why do you think I drink nothing but diet drink? I like sweet. I don't like what sugar does to me though. lol (That too isn't Biblical. Just me telling my preferences. Had I been at the last supper, I'd probably ask where the soda machine was.)
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I do take a sip of the toast. I'm not against alcohol. Just don't like the taste, but to salute the newlyweds, I do take a sip. (And, I offer it to whoever happens to need a refill a little later.)
I was strickly raised in a Southern baptist home, dad is a minister. NO alcohol in any situation. In fact, my parents walked out of my daughter's wedding when a toast was made with champagne. Sometimes, one can be so heavenly minded, they are NO earthly good. I have never been drunk..or even buzzed...and I am not considered a social drinker either. My life is not surrounded by alcohol because I choose not to. I occasionally enjoy a mixed drink, or irish coffee. I don't even like the smell of beer, nor do I drink it. I now teach in a local catholic school and there is NOT an event that is held there that does not involve alcohol. I honestly do not know a single person in my life that does not drink occasionally..except my parents. If I held hell over someone's head, due to sipping a marguarita, I might as well hold an "R" rated movie, or any other such 'sins", but the problem is: It's not up to ME or you or anyone else to do that!!!!!!!!! We are not little truant officers or sin police..We have a mission and it's sharing JESUS CHRIST...not offering up our opinions
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sassylady
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I have an occasional glass of wine, by that I mean less than 4 a year, and maybe one beer a year. Depends on where I am at, if somebody has it and offers it. I don't feel that is a problem for me. I like wine and sometimes a beer just tastes good with a particular food. I don't choose to go out and buy the stuff and have it all the time.
You know, the guy whose life was in the toilet, no hope, no ambition, no desire to do better, no family, no fortune, nothing.......THEN, he turned to DRINK! And the world became all roses and sunshine!
Well, that was his perspective, at least for a little while...
I'm sorry, Sister Tinuviel, but I disagree.
The big question is not whether or not you can, but whether or not you should. And that's what the Holy Scripture says:
- "All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not." (1Corinthians 10.23).
- "All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any" (1Corinthians 6.12).
We should never think that we are totally immune to sin.
Look at the warnings of the apostle Paul:
- "There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it." (1Corinthians 10.13).
We should never think that we are totally immune to sin. Look at the warnings of the apostle Paul:
- " Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law." (Galatians 5.23).
- " Neither give place to the devil." (Ephesians 4.27).
- " Abstain from all appearance of evil." (1Thessalonians 5.22).
See how it is to escape even from all the appearance of evil (and not only evil). After all, the tricks of Ha-Satan are very subtle, and if you fall into any of them, it will be a terrible loss to the kingdom of the heavens. After all, there is a very great potential in your life to be used for the kingdom of the Eternal.
Not to mention that a weak brother in the faith, who has just been freed from drink addiction, may have his conscience struck and come to wreck in faith because he has seen you drinking. After all, an unexpected visitor may knock on your door:
- “Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another. For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.” (Romans 14.19,20).
- “For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols; and through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died? But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ. Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend..” (1Corinthians 8.10-13).
- “If any of them that believe not bid you to a feast, and ye be disposed to go; whatsoever is set before you, eat, asking no question for conscience sake. But if any man say unto you, This is offered in sacrifice unto idols, eat not for his sake that shewed it, and for conscience sake: for the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof: conscience, I say, not thine own, but of the other: for why is my liberty judged of another man's conscience? For if I by grace be a partaker, why am I evil spoken of for that for which I give thanks? Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God. Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God: even as I please all men in all things, not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be saved.” (1Corinthians 10.27-33).
Obs: What is in square brackets I added to make it clear how this section applies to the case of alcoholic beverage.
Blessings on Christ.