Paster Women?

[Willie-T]

Paul to the church in Corinth.
Good thing we're not Corinthians.

Exactly the esoterically explicit "occasional nature" of each of the epistles, and why they were specifically and directly addressed epistles.

 

[Utah]

This is a bit ridiculous. There are valid verses and questions concerning women, such as, no more free and slave, no more male and female - and how there seems to be a commanding that goes against this, and all out of the same horses mouth! This is a valid searching and questioning, asking and seeking to comprehend this.

To lump it in with something that has no valid verses or no verses that bring up the questions is not the same thing.

Crossnote's second statement is spot-on correct -- the one about liberalism.

 

[phil112]

Exactly the esoterically explicit "occasional nature" of each of the epistles, and why they were specifically and directly addressed epistles.

Good thing Paul was only talking to Timothy here and not you, huh.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

 

[Willie-T]

Good thing Paul was only talking to Timothy here and not you, huh.

It is. Otherwise I might be as gullible as you Guys and the Westboro Baptist bunch, making "doctrine" out of anything I found printed in that book.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

God, the Holy Spirit, inspired the Scriptures. Jesus is also God. So, what Paul wrote is indeed on the same level as what Christ said, because God said it through Paul.

Ah, and what of the places where Paul said, I THINK I have Gods mind on this...? Or of where he said, I give my opinion here...?

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Crossnote's second statement is spot-on correct -- the one about liberalism.

I wasn't commenting on liberalism. I was commenting on the ridiculousness of lumping something that has some scriptural validity in with something that does not.

 

[NotmebutHim]

"this is the thread that doesn't end,
yes it goes on and on my friend
somebody trollish started it knowing well what it was
and we'll continue bickering forever just because
this is the thread that doesn't end........."

 

[Willie-T]

Ah, and what of the places where Paul said, I THINK I have Gods mind on this...? Or of where he said, I give my opinion here...?

The voice of a true student of the Lord's.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Forget the New Covenant, forget Jesus--let's just go revert back to the Old Law.

Well, yes, because it's less scary and it will keep us from being scattered and splintering into...

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Good thing Paul was only talking to Timothy here and not you, huh.

"And put a knife to thy throat, if thou be a man given to appetite." (Pro 23:2)

-Goodbye, America.

 

[Chuckt]

Seriously? Seriously????

Why do you bother with the bible when Paul, whom you believe to be a liar, wrote so much of it?
Are you on some kind of illicit substance? I mean, Seriously?

2 Peter 3:16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruct

Peter believed that the things Paul wrote were scripture so if we get rid of Paul then we have to get rid of Peter too and pretty soon there will be no church left to be a part of.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

"Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee." (Lev 19:19)

...so much for nylon and polyester!

 

[phil112]

"And put a knife to thy throat, if thou be a man given to appetite." (Pro 23:2)

-Goodbye, America.

Prov 23:1 "When thou sittest to eat with a ruler, consider diligently what is before thee:"

Pretty sure I'm not going to be eating with the governor or president any time soon.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Prov 23:1 "When thou sittest to eat with a ruler, consider diligently what is before thee:"

Pretty sure I'm not going to be eating with the governor or president any time soon.

If Christ is in you, you dine with a King daily.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Your teachers in school had it. Your bosses have it. Your pastor has it. God has it. Authority gives the listener the ease to trust the words being said and to do what is being said. No authority. No trust. Not to say you cannot trust even without authority, but you're supposed to figure out if the words are worthy of being trusted then.

That's the authority women do NOT have over men. Listen to us all you want, but then think for yourself to decide if you believe it. Authority means that trust was earned and the people listening ought to do what is being told.

And, if you have a pastor who was an electrical engineer two years ago, (don't laugh. I had him as a pastor), then there is no authority in him either. The trust is earned by background too. Authority is earned.

Check out the Bible stories for why women don't earn it -- Eve, Lot's wife, Sarah, Delilah -- we have a gender-specific flaw. (Not saying women only have this, nor that we all do this all the time, but we do have the lineage to prove the flaw.) We have the skill sets to talk a man into anything without him even realizing he's been snookered. NOT a good trait for authority figures.

Well, I suppose we can always hope, one day after we're dead, for this flaw, this wrinkle, to be removed. Maybe one day we won't want to snooker them any more and the Holy Spirit will give them the wisdom to see when they're being snookered. Oh well, guess we'll just have to wait for that day. Until then, because women have such power over men, best to keep them silent because we sure don't want to place ourselves under the authority of weak men who might be snookered.

 

[melita916]

on page (i don't know which one), i asked when a boy becomes a man.

did anyone give me a number? lol

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

There needs to be authority in the church, not as in the world, but someone had to kick the man out who lived with his dad's mother and a woman can't do that imo.

Do you mean...physically, because of strength?
I hear Paul may have been quite short...
Maybe the body stood together to make the man leave for a time to get it together.

Hey, where's Nehemiah when you need him to beat some men and pull out their hair?

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

on page (i don't know which one), i asked when a boy becomes a man.

did anyone give me a number? lol

...at least five.

 

[phil112]

"Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee." (Lev 19:19)

...so much for nylon and polyester!

I didn't realize you wore a yarmulke..........

Deuteronomy 4:1 "Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the statutes and unto the judgments, which I teach you, for to do them..........."
Ezekiel 20:5,11,12 "......Thus saith the Lord God; In the day when I chose Israel.......And I gave them my statutes, and shewed them my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them.[SUP]................[/SUP]Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them............."

 

[Willie-T]

Yes, straight back to The Law of Paul. Can't do without our laws can we? That whole freedom thing is just too scary.

There is a fantastic amount of truth in that. I believe many people actually NEED to see external, written laws, in black & white, because they are truly afraid, almost terrified, to trust that Christ really can guide their lives from within them.

If they can see and read a set of laws, then they can trust in themselves to keep them. That is probably "safer" to them.