Why the king james?

[psychomom]

i don't have a dog in this fight--

i just followed Prodigal in.

 

[John146]

Multiple versions causes division, no unity on what God has said.

Romans 16:17-18King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]17 [/SUP]Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

King James Version (KJV)

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Multiple versions causes division, no unity on what God has said.

I argue that the versions do not cause divisions, but those folks who claim that one version is holier than another--they're the instigators here, not the versions.

Books don't cause divisions, the people who read them do.

 

[Dino246]

Most modern versions have more the taste of cardboard than of the sweet honey of God’s pure words as found in the King James Bible.

Pure biased opinion with no hint of objective truth.

And it is the ONLY one seriously believed by thousands even today to be the complete, inspired and 100% true words of the living God.

Fallacy: appeal to popularity.

If you think the KJB is not, then could you give it a shot at telling us exactly which one (if any) IS the complete, inspired and 100% true Bible?

Fallacy: burden of proof reversal.

 

[KJV1611]

Does this mean King James is God?

Personally, I know King James is not God...

...but it looks an awful lot like you're preaching that King James is God.

I don't know anything about King James. My faith isn't in any man, my faith is in God's pure inerrant word. King James could no more thwart God's will in translating the bible than the devil could.

 

[tanakh]

WHY KING JAMES ? Because he thought of it first. I would have preferred one by Edgar the Peaceful of the house of Wessex He reigned from 959 - 975. With a name like that he may have stopped a lot of arguments!

 

[Agricola]

Why would it benefit a person to learn Greek? It's a whole lot easier to read the bible in your native tongue isnt it?

To avoid the King James Only Cult bleating on that there is this perfect Bible and anyone who reads another English version is corrupt and wicked.

In fact any other language would do just as well.

 

[JesusIsAll]

Was just thinking, this controversy over manuscripts that maybe you KJV only folks could comment on. Could we take the King James, translate it to Koine Greek, and get an undisputed, pure Greek text? Hey! Maybe call it the Textus Reversedus, or Textus Jimmiedus? We would have to work out how thee or ye could be hard coded into the Greek, which could be a real problem, dost thou seeth what I mean?

 

[JesusIsAll]

To avoid the King James Only Cult bleating on that there is this perfect Bible and anyone who reads another English version is corrupt and wicked.

In fact any other language would do just as well.

That's ridiculous. As a matter of fact, I only wear rubber gloves, if I have to touch a NIV.

 

[JesusIsAll]

i don't have a dog in this fight--

i just followed Prodigal in.

Slumming, Ma?

 

[KJV1611]

Your right he is not bound.

But he is smart enough to know to use a more complete language than a week, easily misunderstood, and not near as complete language than the english.

If God wanted to give us his complete word in english, he would have had the writers do it to begin with. your reasoning is backward logic, It fails when you consider all the evidence.

Are you saying there are concepts in the Hebrew and Greek that can't be conveyed in English?

 

[KJV1611]

I agree...and then you get posts like this below and it just boggles my mind...if you are not born-again by the KJV then the seed is corrupted and "your" Christ is not like "their" Christ.....does anyone see what is wrong here?...or is it just me?

Originally Posted by KJV1611

I agree the KJV doesn't match the "original copies" in multiple places. I also agree millions of people are born agian from the newer versions... born again of corruptible seed. Their Christ and my Christ are not the same.

Have you figured out what seed is yet?

 

[KJV1611]

If "your " Christ is different then all the "others" Christ because they read a different version then the KJ "version" then there is something drastically wrong....

And to say we use the KJV to define words and not the original word itself in Greek and Hebrew is just spiritual ignorance gone completely to seed. It's called having the "cart before the horse".

Here is what "your" Strong's concordance itself says...

from <G5351> (phtheiro); decayed, i.e. (by implication) perishable :- corruptible.

Strong's Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary.

When someone says that "their" Christ is not like some one else's Christ because they got born-again from reading a different "version" then the King James "version"....that's where I draw the line....I am definitely done with this nonsense...have a good day!

He aint my Strong's, I have no use for the man nor his work. He's the reason people make up their own bibles. If you want to know what corruptible means look it up in a dictionary, it means the same thing today that it meant in 1611.

Listen, the Chirst in you is the Christ you made up, the Christ in me is the Chirst of the King James bible word for word. What I'm saying is truth, not nonsense, it's just above your ability to understand. And you wont understand until you get into the real bible and believe what it says, otherwise your going to stay in the dark thinking you know something that you don't.

 

[KJV1611]

Romans 16:17-18King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]17 [/SUP]Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

King James Version (KJV)

Amen, they should be marked for making up their own doctirine and trying to pull others into their dellusions.. Verse 18 describes them to a T.

 

[KJV1611]

To avoid the King James Only Cult bleating on that there is this perfect Bible and anyone who reads another English version is corrupt and wicked.

In fact any other language would do just as well.

All I see Greek and Hebrew used for is to change words in the bible that they don't like. That's the way it's done right chisel chisel chisel until you get YOUR own personalized word of god. I've never had a single person show me anything of any value from the Greek and Hebrew... you got any earth shattering revelations from the Greek and Hebrew?

 

[KJV1611]

Was just thinking, this controversy over manuscripts that maybe you KJV only folks could comment on. Could we take the King James, translate it to Koine Greek, and get an undisputed, pure Greek text? Hey! Maybe call it the Textus Reversedus, or Textus Jimmiedus? We would have to work out how thee or ye could be hard coded into the Greek, which could be a real problem, dost thou seeth what I mean?

And your contibution to the discussions was? Oh I get it, your being a smart ass.... because all you can do is belittle and make fun because you don't have jack to bring to the table.

 

[JesusIsAll]

And your contibution to the discussions was? Oh I get it, your being a smart ass.... because all you can do is belittle and make fun because you don't have jack to bring to the table.

Suppose that's all I know. (Can't help it. Got jumped by demons as a teenager, reading a RSV.) Though I must say, you don't seem the best recommendation for your cult, and I've noticed this about others of your bent. You have that same holier-than-thou exclusivity of any garden variety cult, but it's like you King James only guys have this big stick up your rear. It's like some dark cloud has engulfed or devoured your personalities, almost like your Lord must be Billy Goat Gruff. Have to say, I may not be sitting next to the thrown, maybe a tad higher than the thrown with you guys, teaching the Lord 17th century English, but you know something? I'll be fine just being a regular guy in the kingdom, without that stick up my rear.

Okay. So you didn't like those contributions. How about Textus Regurgitatus?

 

[KJV1611]

Suppose that's all I know. (Can't help it. Got jumped by demons as a teenager, reading a RSV.) Though I must say, you don't seem the best recommendation for your cult, and I've noticed this about others of your bent. You have that same holier-than-thou exclusivity of any garden variety cult, but it's like you King James only guys have this big stick up your rear. It's like some dark cloud has engulfed or devoured your personalities, almost like your Lord must be Billy Goat Gruff. Have to say, I may not be sitting next to the thrown, maybe a tad higher than the thrown with you guys, teaching the Lord 17th century English, but you know something? I'll be fine just being a regular guy in the kingdom, without that stick up my rear.

Okay. So you didn't like those contributions. How about Textus Regurgitatus?

Sorry man I just get sick and tired of people who don't know anything about Christianity and the bible trying to convince people the KJV is wrong.

 

[fredoheaven]

All these nuances are lost, if you dont use Greek.

All in all, you can read only translations and get all the basic teaching of christianity right, I dont say the opposite. I only suggest to learn the original language than to "quarell" which translation to English is best.

Which Greek? Do you own a complete copy of Greek Bible? Could you show me where is that completely called Greek Bible? All I know is that the scriptures were written in original languages of Hebrew, Koine Greek and Aramaic, then translated to other languages like Old Latin, Italic Version, French, Diodati, German then in English which the world knows it's a International languages so that we can interact with each other. Using your Greek and using my language will confuse everything. For me it's fine to learn Greek language but a never substitute for the pure words of God in English-KJV.

 

[fredoheaven]

I argue that the versions do not cause divisions, but those folks who claim that one version is holier than another--they're the instigators here, not the versions.

Books don't cause divisions, the people who read them do.

Okay, I think it is the people who wrote books that causes divisions and people who read them are confuse.