The "Rapture"?

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popeye

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kaylagrl said:
All predictions on when the rapture, or taking away, are false. ALL! Only God knows the time,the Bible clearly states this. But it makes a good read in a book and makes people money. If you know the Bible you know that no one but God knows the time.
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That would be the day and hour.

But the season is discernable.

We have entered THE SEASON.

we are at the end of the time of the gentiles.

We are to prepare for his return.Urgently prepare

You say...how so? Only one way. Clean house and get as close to Jesus as John was. Literally with our heads on his chest,and living our lives in rhythm to his beating heart.
 
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popeye

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Elizabeth619 said:
I'm not a rapture believer. From intense studying I see where revelation is in reference to the first century. oldhermit sent me a study in my pm box a long time ago about Revelation, the antichrist, ect and it made total sense to me. I'd post it but won't without his permission.
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There has never been the GT.

That entire concept is impossible.

Flying scorpions with faces of men?....never happened.

Mark of the beast?.... Never happened.

None of the earth destroying thinggys have ever happened in the magnitude of the scriptural descriptions.

Post one explanation.
 
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JesusIsAll

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kaylagrl said:
So would you believe we are going to go through the tribulation,or not?
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The Spirit-filled believer? Heavens no! Since first seeing some scripture, I've been resoundingly pre-tribulation, as this is what the Bible teaches, in more places than many cite. A mystery in the NT doesn't mean there's not doctrine hidden in scripture, before being plainly revealed, this the biggest mistake some make.

I just loved seeing your comment, you couldn't know. It did my heart good, as I saw the same thing, so many years ago. Intervening years, there was all the teaching you see in a lot of commentaries, and good commentaries, some pre-tribulation people signing up for what is a traditional exegesis. Then, I got this interest in older Bibles, saw those verses translated, and it was like the mother lode that somebody else saw paralambano as a blessed event. Was so excited over this, as it reaffirmed something that was always my faith in those verses referring to the rapture, despite what anybody said, never satisfied in my spirit by some explanations. Anyway, it was a real biggie to me, and something I wanted to share with you. But, again, heavens no, I don't think the Lord Jesus is a domestic abuser of His bride!
 
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popeye

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Post trib seeks one or two smoking guns.

Pretrib uses scriptural exegesis to arrive at a harmony in the word of establishing a concept that stands alone in the RAPTURE AND IT'S TIMING.

One"coming" is impossibly.

Once that dimension is settled then there is an opening to proceed.

He comes for his bride. Mat 25. Never touches earth . 1thes 4.

The church in heaven has the wedding supper. That was outlined in the last supper.(the business in heaven)

He returns with his saints IN JUDGEMENT.

This is where postribs fail ... In about 5 or 6 dimensions.

Post trib rapture is radically,radically impossible.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Elizabeth619 said:
Considering the rapture has been predicted by certain dates for years and all have been proven wrong it seems to me there is a large misunderstanding about the rapture. People on here even believe false predictions. Then when proven wrong they try to justify it as if they are still right. The rapture is a largely misunderstood issue and too many on here
fall for it over and over again.
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Jesus said of that day and hour no man knows. People who try to predict time are against scripture. Just because they believe in rapture. does not mean rapture is false.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Nikki84 said:
And you should not think you're gonna ride in and save this thread with your arrogance
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hmm,, I responded to an arrogant post.

I was not trying to save this thread, This thread died awhile ago. There is no rescue.

Seems the arrogant one does not like criticism.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Nikki84 said:
You are free to swallow hook, line and sinker the delusional ramblings of a sick woman
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Do you have anything of value to add?

or just attack what it is you do not understand?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Nikki84 said:
This was a discussion til E.G. attacked me. Sorry if my debate style upsets you. I'm not a pro nor pretend to be
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I attacked you?

The origional post I responded to was YOU ATTACKING PEOPLE LIKE ME

If you do not like it, Try to stop attacking others.
 
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kaylagrl

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JesusIsAll said:
The Spirit-filled believer? Heavens no! Since first seeing some scripture, I've been resoundingly pre-tribulation, as this is what the Bible teaches, in more places than many cite. A mystery in the NT doesn't mean there's not doctrine hidden in scripture, before being plainly revealed, this the biggest mistake some make.

I just loved seeing your comment, you couldn't know. It did my heart good, as I saw the same thing, so many years ago. Intervening years, there was all the teaching you see in a lot of commentaries, and good commentaries, some pre-tribulation people signing up for what is a traditional exegesis. Then, I got this interest in older Bibles, saw those verses translated, and it was like the mother lode that somebody else saw paralambano as a blessed event. Was so excited over this, as it reaffirmed something that was always my faith in those verses referring to the rapture, despite what anybody said, never satisfied in my spirit by some explanations. Anyway, it was a real biggie to me, and something I wanted to share with you. But, again, heavens no, I don't think the Lord Jesus is a domestic abuser of His bride!
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I'm sorry I did not respond very well. I have the mystery mailer mailing me every two minutes offering "help" So that kept popping up and distracting from what I was reading. So my head totally wasn't in what you were trying to share.

Yes, I certainly agree with you,I believe in pre-trib. There are many words that we use that aren't in the Bible but the concept is there. Like someone said " I dont care if you call it hanging the wash,I'm goin up!" lol Wow isn't wonderful when the Spirit speaks to both of us and we can share and be blessed!? Its too bad that doesn't happen more often around here.
 
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kaylagrl

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popeye said:
That would be the day and hour.

But the season is discernable.

We have entered THE SEASON.

we are at the end of the time of the gentiles.

We are to prepare for his return.Urgently prepare

You say...how so? Only one way. Clean house and get as close to Jesus as John was. Literally with our heads on his chest,and living our lives in rhythm to his beating heart.
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No, I agree we know the season,Jesus Himself said so. But we do not know the day.
 
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kaylagrl said:
I'm sorry I did not respond very well. I have the mystery mailer mailing me every two minutes offering "help" So that kept popping up and distracting from what I was reading. So my head totally wasn't in what you were trying to share.

Yes, I certainly agree with you,I believe in pre-trib. There are many words that we use that aren't in the Bible but the concept is there. Like someone said " I dont care if you call it hanging the wash,I'm goin up!" lol Wow isn't wonderful when the Spirit speaks to both of us and we can share and be blessed!? Its too bad that doesn't happen more often around here.
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He just sent me a another PM offering his services. I told him to start posting in forums so that we could all get to know him better. Right now, he is complete stranger.
 
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kaylagrl

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tourist said:
He just sent me a another PM offering his services. I told him to start posting in forums so that we could all get to know him better. Right now, he is complete stranger.
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I told him I rely on God for help. He has stopped mailing so far. Hoping that is the end of it.
 
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JesusIsAll

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kaylagrl said:
I'm sorry I did not respond very well. I have the mystery mailer mailing me every two minutes offering "help" So that kept popping up and distracting from what I was reading. So my head totally wasn't in what you were trying to share.

Yes, I certainly agree with you,I believe in pre-trib. There are many words that we use that aren't in the Bible but the concept is there. Like someone said " I dont care if you call it hanging the wash,I'm goin up!" lol Wow isn't wonderful when the Spirit speaks to both of us and we can share and be blessed!? Its too bad that doesn't happen more often around here.
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Sorry you didn't respond very well? God bless you that you can respond at all, some days around here.

Your good comment is why I mentioned Greg Laurie. I once lived in a city where he was on the radio everyday, and listened to him, he becoming one of those trustworthy I found I could say was never without solid scripture foundation, among those of Spirit truth you could hear speaking a hundred times, and, as to doctrine, disagree with next to nothing, and that rare next to nothing just as plausible and putting my own thoughts in question, but this so very rare. There are great men of God I've found Ivory pure, faithfully teach the Bible day in, and day out, Greg Laurie one such preacher and teacher. It was within the past year I heard him teach on the rapture, and he cited these verses, this one of those instances we can rejoice in, when somebody of the Spirit is seeing the same thing.

Would rather reserve any comment on what happens around here, today. It is what it is, sister, in the scheme of things no big whup, even blessed when some disagree, what would really be frightening would be to see agreement from some here who, how do you say it in 2016? Have some real challenges?
 
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kaylagrl

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JesusIsAll said:
Sorry you didn't respond very well? God bless you that you can respond at all, some days around here.

Your good comment is why I mentioned Greg Laurie. I once lived in a city where he was on the radio everyday, and listened to him, he becoming one of those trustworthy I found I could say was never without solid scripture foundation, among those of Spirit truth you could hear speaking a hundred times, and, as to doctrine, disagree with next to nothing, and that rare next to nothing just as plausible and putting my own thoughts in question, but this so very rare. There are great men of God I've found Ivory pure, faithfully teach the Bible day in, and day out, Greg Laurie one such preacher and teacher. It was within the past year I heard him teach on the rapture, and he cited these verses, this one of those instances we can rejoice in, when somebody of the Spirit is seeing the same thing.

Would rather reserve any comment on what happens around here, today. It is what it is, sister, in the scheme of things no big whup, even blessed when some disagree, what would really be frightening would be to see agreement from some here who, how do you say it in 2016? Have some real challenges?
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Thank you for sharing,I will have to check him out. I do like to read and get deeper into Bible issues. I really dont have a problem with disagreeing,I disagree with people on here from time to time. But I respect them,as I do you. But some just have no respect and the attack the person,not the idea,and it just seems to be getting worse. I think those of us who have been here need to stick together and make sure peace reigns here.
 
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JesusIsAll

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kaylagrl said:
Thank you for sharing,I will have to check him out. I do like to read and get deeper into Bible issues. I really dont have a problem with disagreeing,I disagree with people on here from time to time. But I respect them,as I do you. But some just have no respect and the attack the person,not the idea,and it just seems to be getting worse. I think those of us who have been here need to stick together and make sure peace reigns here.
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Not so certain about that. Sometimes, it's like you walk into the saloon, tables are being overturn, chairs flying, get to thinking it's not theology that's needed, rather more a question of where Wyatt Earp is, when he's needed most? You go, "Whoa!", turn around and go out the swinging doors the way you came, then go get the fruit smoothie you really went out for, in the first place!
 
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popeye said:
There has never been the GT.

That entire concept is impossible.

Flying scorpions with faces of men?....never happened.

Mark of the beast?.... Never happened.

None of the earth destroying thinggys have ever happened in the magnitude of the scriptural descriptions.

Post one explanation.
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What on earth are you talking about?
 
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abcdef

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If I may offer this,

In I Cor 15:23-24, v24 it talks about the second resurrection (rapture yes,no?).
After that Paul says "that's the end," When Jesus delivers up the Kingdom up to God, because it is complete (souls).

This can't be a rapture that is followed by the events of the pre-trib teachings (7 year trib, etc.) because Paul said it was the end.

If you say this is the rapture that is at the end of the 7 yr trib.- 1000 years, then you must insert another rapture (resurrection) between the first and the second resurrections.

But Paul only showed two.

This second resurrection is the "rapture", but this world is destroyed by fire and "heaven and earth fly away" (Rev 20:11).
 
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Armini3

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after reading his novel...lol carefully, I noticed that he separates the "church" (believers) from the trib believers referring to them as if I may use the word (saints) but his reference is revelation ch7 "those that came outta the great tribulation" his basis is out of silence that since the word isn't mentioned any more he concludes a removal basing off of silence the absence of the word church not being referred to again but lacking the thought of during the throne judgments where believers are shown to be the word is not used either no "church" mentioned. secondly the "ecklocia" (I spelled that wrong I know) means to be called out, its a geek word as referring to Abraham the father of the faithful, hence there is only one olive tree we were graphed in and that includes the tribulation saints and he separated them so it could fit his puzzle piece for pre-trib. he made me bust out my strongs ext concordance...lol
presidente said:
Ahwatukee,

John uses 'church' to refer to individual assemblies and 'saints' to refer to believers throughout the earth. But Paul uses 'church' to refer to an individual assembly that will be here when Christ returns, gives them rest, and executes vengence on them that know not God when he comes to be glorified in the saints in II Thessalonians 1. We also know that the man of sin will be destroyed with the brightness of His coming, as we see in II Thessalonians 2:8.

And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

Look up the word 'coming' in a concordance and see the things that happen at this event.
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