lets have some Bible study shall we?

[PeterJens]

1. Thats your opinion, which you are aloud to have, and no one would judge you for that, But you do not leave it there, You push your opinion on others, And claim they are liars in what they themselves believe, this is when it stops being an opinion, and starts being slander.

EG It is funny, because you have accused me of such terrible things, lying, distorting, being evil etc.

Now if I am none of these things you are the liar. Do you understand the irony there?

You say I am pushing my ideas. This is what muslims say to christians who are preaching the gospel. You are forcing lies on people, how dare you. Believe the ideas yourselves but do not argue the logic of your case, it is evil.

You are taking the same approach. I am evil because I ask the logic of your position to be justified. That is not forcing an argument on someone.

If I say it is hypocritical to hold two contradictatory positions and I am right, that is not actually a slander, it is a fact.
It is like saying calling a thief who steals something a thief is slander. It is not, it is the facts. But that appears to be your morality.

Now my points are simple. Respond as you always do. If someone kills me one day, I am sure the same kind of logic will go through their heads. The problem in life is we all tell ourselves we are right and we have justified ourselves fairly. In the end it is before the King all will be made plain, Amen and Hallelujah.

So I wish you well, but wherever you are coming from, it has nothing to do with me.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So I wish you well, but wherever you are coming from, it has nothing to do with me.

It has everything to do with Christ, and never had a thing to do with you..

I take him at his word.

He has perfected me forever. And he is sanctifying me more and more every day.

All I can do is pray one day, He does the same for you.

 

[PeterJens]

To me ... personally, Peter ... that is really going out of one's way to stay blind ...
God blesses all that are His in His good time ...

This is not a response, in the real sense. I hope you do see that the phrase can be taken different ways.
I am not choosing to be blind. This is what testing ideas is all about, or as some would say critical thinking.

It is obvious to me, you do not know what this is, and choose to see things that agree with your belief framework even when it does not stand up. But who do you go with? The Lord or the group?

 

[thepsalmist]

Yesterday that "lamb was slain" quote meant little to me ... but resting in Christ and keeping the soil of my heart open to the possibility that it had merit somehow ... the Lord tended the seed and now I understand what was meant by it ... and am blessed to know it.

When we slow to tear down others' input ... and give it an honest chance to sink in then sometimes we are blessed with further knowledge. If it really were not worth hearing, I am convinced the Lord would have simply dismissed it from my thoughts.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained as they say ... and there is no need to fear leaven when the Holy Spirit guards our hearts and minds.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

To me ... personally, Peter ... that is really going out of one's way to stay blind ...

God blesses all that are His in His good time ...

Considering the facts that 1) most translations have corrected the wording of Revelation 13:8 to make it clearer, and that 2) even those translations with confusing wording can be read as saying that our names were written in the slain lamb's book of life from the foundation of the world, to hold to the interpretation that the lamb was slain from the foundation of the world suggests stubbornness and rebellion.

 

[roaringkitten]

Yesterday that "lamb was slain" quote meant little to me ... but resting in Christ and keeping the soil of my heart open to the possibility that it had merit somehow ... the Lord tended the seed and now I understand what was meant by it ... and am blessed to know it.

When we slow to tear down others' input ... and give it an honest chance to sink in then sometimes we are blessed with further knowledge. If it really were not worth hearing, I am convinced the Lord would have simply dismissed it from my thoughts.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained as they say ... and there is no need to fear leaven when the Holy Spirit guards our hearts and minds.

Keep on contending for the faith friend And remember:

"Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake." Matt 5:11

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yesterday that "lamb was slain" quote meant little to me ... but resting in Christ and keeping the soil of my heart open to the possibility that it had merit somehow ... the Lord tended the seed and now I understand what was meant by it ... and am blessed to know it.

When we slow to tear down others' input ... and give it an honest chance to sink in then sometimes we are blessed with further knowledge. If it really were not worth hearing, I am convinced the Lord would have simply dismissed it from my thoughts.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained as they say ... and there is no need to fear leaven when the Holy Spirit guards our hearts and minds.

it can be so beautiful when you listen to something which made no sense before. or something you never gave much attention to, and a light comes on, And you see where you have not seen before.

 

[thepsalmist]

Keep on contending for the faith friend And remember:

"Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake." Matt 5:11

Thanks so much for your kind words of encouragement, Brother

 

[thepsalmist]

it can be so beautiful when you listen to something which made no sense before. or something you never gave much attention to, and a light comes on, And you see where you have not seen before.

Amen! Indeed ... it is beautiful! Praise God!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Amen! Indeed ... it is beautiful! Praise God!

and I pray if I live to be 100. God never stops turning these lights on in my mind..

and if I am honest, I wouldl have to admit, if I think he did, It is probably me shutting my mind off to new truth. Thinking I know it all. May that never again be the case!

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Considering the facts that 1) most translations have corrected the wording of Revelation 13:8 to make it clearer, and that 2) even those translations with confusing wording can be read as saying that our names were written in the slain lamb's book of life from the foundation of the world, to hold to the interpretation that the lamb was slain from the foundation of the world suggests stubbornness and rebellion.

And I forgot to add, 3) the lamb was slain nearly 2000 years ago (not before the foundation of the world), and 4) to claim that he was slain before he was born is absurdity.

 

[PeterJens]

Rev 13:8
I have taken the sentence to be referring to the book of life, but it seems commentators thought it is referring to Christ.
This has created a problem for them, which they cannot resolve.

Even the hyper-grace believers are not being honest that it makes no sense with Jesus dying before the creation of the world.

But if the book of life, which is written before the creation of the world, is what is being referred to, it all fits.
Now if people want to create problems which the writer would not have thought of that is their choice, but that is not how truth is understood. Unfortunately the more mysterious the word of God is, the more it plays into the world of mystics.

But if that is how you want to live your christian lives, that is your choice. It is not the gospel preached by Jesus.

 

[roaringkitten]

The lightbulb moment happened for me when I finally realized, the OT was a foreshadow of Christ's blood sacrifice! For many years I didn't see that.

"And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me." Luke 24:44

 

[John146]

The Word became flesh? Why? To live a sinless life and die on a cross for man's sins. A body was prepared for Him. Was Jesus in this body from the foundation of the world? When did He say, "it is finished"? From the foundation of the world or right before He gave up the ghost? I'm confused. Are you guys speaking spiritually as prophecy or the Lord actually died before the foundation of the world before He lived a sinless life as a man?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The lightbulb moment happened for me when I finally realized, the OT was a foreshadow of Christ's blood sacrifice! For many years I didn't see that.

"And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me." Luke 24:44

Amen, How can God predestine his children before time began, Unless he had a knowledge of his son being slain before this time.

God is outside of time, People want to make God Human, Gods ways are not our ways, We can only fathom God and what he can do. We have no knowledge and just a basic understanding..

 

[roaringkitten]

The Word became flesh? Why? To live a sinless life and die on a cross for man's sins. A body was prepared for Him. Was Jesus in this body from the foundation of the world? When did He say, "it is finished"? From the foundation of the world or right before He gave up the ghost? I'm confused. Are you guys speaking spiritually as prophecy or the Lord actually died before the foundation of the world before He lived a sinless life as a man?

Refer to posts 162 & 173 I explained it there.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

This part of the thread is a good case study of how people can be seduced and deceived by another spirit to abandon an interpretation of scripture based on good sense and embrace an esoteric interpretation. The early church (first two centuries, or so) had a big problem with this. Certain people would teach esoteric doctrines that would lead others in the church astray. These people called themselves the true Christians. They were not called gnostics until modern times.

 

[John146]

Got it thanks. It sounded like people were actually saying He was slain, literally.

Refer to posts 162 & 173 I explained it there.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

this is the best way. I think many of us are tired of having the same argument with the same people about the same things.

Many times In a debate/discussion an Interpretaion should be given,for the sake of the listeners.

 

[FreeNChrist]

Good bible study..........