When Is The Actual Sabbath?
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well maybe they read the same bible as i do,
where it says "as Jesus custom was"
and as pauls custom was to keep the Sabbath Holy
I am not impressed by your argument lacking of scripture.
can you explain why the oracles of God was given to us?
This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel
which spake to him in [the mount Sina], and with our fathers:
who received the lively oracles [to give unto us] Acts 7:38
For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need
that one teach you again which be the first principles of
[the oracles of God]; and are become such as have
need of milk, and not of strong meat. Hebrews 5:12
If any man speak, let him speak as [the oracles of God];
if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth:
that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ,
to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. 1 Peter 4:11
What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
Much every way:chiefly, because that unto them
were committed [the oracles of God]. Romans 3:2
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My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge:
because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee,
that thou shalt be no priest to me:
seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them.
O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.
where it says "as Jesus custom was"
and as pauls custom was to keep the Sabbath Holy
I am not impressed by your argument lacking of scripture.
can you explain why the oracles of God was given to us?
This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel
which spake to him in [the mount Sina], and with our fathers:
who received the lively oracles [to give unto us] Acts 7:38
For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need
that one teach you again which be the first principles of
[the oracles of God]; and are become such as have
need of milk, and not of strong meat. Hebrews 5:12
If any man speak, let him speak as [the oracles of God];
if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth:
that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ,
to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. 1 Peter 4:11
What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
Much every way:chiefly, because that unto them
were committed [the oracles of God]. Romans 3:2
- - -
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge:
because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee,
that thou shalt be no priest to me:
seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them.
O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.
God is pleased when we worship him any day of the week.
But, from the beginning of creation, the Sabbath has been on the 7th day. And nowhere did God change that. (I would offer Scripture for that last point, but that change doesn't occur in Scripture.)
The Sabbath is Friday sundown to Saturday sundown.
But, from the beginning of creation, the Sabbath has been on the 7th day. And nowhere did God change that. (I would offer Scripture for that last point, but that change doesn't occur in Scripture.)
The Sabbath is Friday sundown to Saturday sundown.
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i gotta say, bluebug you have me stumped. (not that it's hard to do 
)
i've heard of the hot drink prohibition as a Mormon doctrine... i think i remember an LDS neighbor showing me in her copy of their book Doctrines and Covenants (after i offered her coffee or tea).
i'm interested to see where it is in the Bible, though.
)i've heard of the hot drink prohibition as a Mormon doctrine... i think i remember an LDS neighbor showing me in her copy of their book Doctrines and Covenants (after i offered her coffee or tea
).i'm interested to see where it is in the Bible, though.
i gotta say, bluebug you have me stumped. (not that it's hard to do )
i've heard of the hot drink prohibition as a Mormon doctrine... i think i remember an LDS neighbor showing me in her copy of their book Doctrines and Covenants (after i offered her coffee or tea).
i'm interested to see where it is in the Bible, though.
)i've heard of the hot drink prohibition as a Mormon doctrine... i think i remember an LDS neighbor showing me in her copy of their book Doctrines and Covenants (after i offered her coffee or tea
).i'm interested to see where it is in the Bible, though.
none of them in connection to the temperature of one's drink.
Amen! I have the same conviction. Sabbath-keeping with all it's rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel that is not applicable to Christians under the New Covenant. Even when Christians set out to worship on the Sabbath, they aren’t truly "keeping the Sabbath." To "keep the Sabbath" as it was required in the Old Testament would involve compliance with stringent regulations (Exodus 16:23; 35:3; Leviticus 23:32; Jeremiah 17:21) that were strictly enforced. If Sabbath-day observances are still required, so would the burnt offerings which went along with them (Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13). These were commanded by God to the sons of Israel. If the seventh-day Sabbath is still in affect, then why do not the Sabbatarians seek to obey ALL that the LORD commanded? How can a person say he keeps a certain law when he keeps only part of it?
If the Sabbath-day laws were still in effect today, then according to Exodus 31:12-18; 35:1-3; and Numbers 15:32-36, anyone who profaned the Sabbath was put to death and any person who does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from his people. Who is going to enforce that? The Jewish synagogue? The Christian Church? The Seventh-day Adventist church? Or the State? Since we do not live under a theocratic state as ancient Israel did, no Sabbatarian can live consistently under the Mosaic regulations.
SDA's turn keeping the weekly Sabbath into a legalistic prescription. There is an elderly man on my mail route who is always trying to convince me that I need to keep the weekly Sabbath on Saturday and often brags that he does. He even brags about not eating pork and implies that he will be saved because of that. He once encouraged me to tell my employer that I cannot work on Saturday in order to keep the Sabbath day holy and even implied that those who don't will not make it to heaven. I have never once heard this man share the gospel, but he sure loves to talk about complying with ALL of the requirements of the SDA church in order to be saved. He clearly teaches salvation by works.
St. Paul said in Galatians 4:9-11: "...You observe days and months and seasons and years. I fear for you, that perhaps I have labored over you in vain."
In Romans 14:1-23, the Apostle Paul says: "... One man regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Let each man be fully convinced in his own mind...(NASB)." In other words, for the Christian, the Apostle is saying that no day is to be regarded holier than another. Although the Torah was read every Saturday in the synagogues, the early Gentile Christians were never commanded to be circumcised, or to rest on Saturday as the Jews were (Acts 15:1-21).
The early Christians began to worship God on Sunday (the Lord's Day), because the first day of the week became associated with Christ's resurrection (Matthew 28:1-10; Luke 24:1; John 20:1; Revelation 1:10). We see from Acts 20:7 and I Corinthians 16:1-3 that the early Church gathered together on the first day of every week in order to "break bread," and also to take up a "collection for the saints." Nowhere in the New Testament is the Church commanded to gather together to worship on the Jewish seventh-day Sabbath. The Seventh-day Adventist Church teaches that the Roman Catholic Church originated Christian worship on Sunday.
History records that the early Christians were worshipping on Sunday as far back as the first and second centuries A.D. For example:
"But every Lord's Day, gather yourselves together, and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, so that your sacrifice may be pure." (Didache c. 80-140)
"No longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord's Day." (Ignatius, c. 105) Ignatius here reveals that the “Lord’s Day” is separate from the Jewish Sabbath.
"I will make a beginning of the eighth day, that is, a beginning of another world. For that reason, also, we keep the eighth day with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead." (Barnabas c. 70-130)
"And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read... But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God... made the world. And Jesus Christ our Savior rose from the dead on that same day." (Justin Martyr c. 160)
"There was no need of circumcision before Abraham. Nor was there need of the observance of Sabbaths, or of feasts and sacrifices, before Moses. Accordingly, there is no more need of them now." (Justin Martyr c. 160)
"We do not follow the Jews in their peculiarities in regard to food nor in their sacred days." (Tertullian c. 197)
"Just as the abolition of fleshly circumcision and of the old Law is demonstrated as having been consummated at its specific times, so also the observance of the Sabbath is demonstrated to have been temporary." (Tertullian c. 197)
"On the day of our Lord's resurrection, which is the Lord's Day, you should meet more diligently, sending praise to God who made the universe by Jesus... On this day, there is the reading of the Prophets, the preaching of the Gospel, the oblation of the sacrifice, and the gift of the holy food." (Apostolic Constitutions, compiled c.390)
Like the SDA on my mail route who acts very self righteous. I have a very low tolerance for self righteous people!
Amen!
Thank you for the video! I'm starting to watch it right now.
If the Sabbath-day laws were still in effect today, then according to Exodus 31:12-18; 35:1-3; and Numbers 15:32-36, anyone who profaned the Sabbath was put to death and any person who does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from his people. Who is going to enforce that? The Jewish synagogue? The Christian Church? The Seventh-day Adventist church? Or the State? Since we do not live under a theocratic state as ancient Israel did, no Sabbatarian can live consistently under the Mosaic regulations.
SDA's turn keeping the weekly Sabbath into a legalistic prescription. There is an elderly man on my mail route who is always trying to convince me that I need to keep the weekly Sabbath on Saturday and often brags that he does. He even brags about not eating pork and implies that he will be saved because of that. He once encouraged me to tell my employer that I cannot work on Saturday in order to keep the Sabbath day holy and even implied that those who don't will not make it to heaven. I have never once heard this man share the gospel, but he sure loves to talk about complying with ALL of the requirements of the SDA church in order to be saved. He clearly teaches salvation by works.
St. Paul said in Galatians 4:9-11: "...You observe days and months and seasons and years. I fear for you, that perhaps I have labored over you in vain."
In Romans 14:1-23, the Apostle Paul says: "... One man regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Let each man be fully convinced in his own mind...(NASB)." In other words, for the Christian, the Apostle is saying that no day is to be regarded holier than another. Although the Torah was read every Saturday in the synagogues, the early Gentile Christians were never commanded to be circumcised, or to rest on Saturday as the Jews were (Acts 15:1-21).
The early Christians began to worship God on Sunday (the Lord's Day), because the first day of the week became associated with Christ's resurrection (Matthew 28:1-10; Luke 24:1; John 20:1; Revelation 1:10). We see from Acts 20:7 and I Corinthians 16:1-3 that the early Church gathered together on the first day of every week in order to "break bread," and also to take up a "collection for the saints." Nowhere in the New Testament is the Church commanded to gather together to worship on the Jewish seventh-day Sabbath. The Seventh-day Adventist Church teaches that the Roman Catholic Church originated Christian worship on Sunday.
History records that the early Christians were worshipping on Sunday as far back as the first and second centuries A.D. For example:
"But every Lord's Day, gather yourselves together, and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, so that your sacrifice may be pure." (Didache c. 80-140)
"No longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord's Day." (Ignatius, c. 105) Ignatius here reveals that the “Lord’s Day” is separate from the Jewish Sabbath.
"I will make a beginning of the eighth day, that is, a beginning of another world. For that reason, also, we keep the eighth day with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead." (Barnabas c. 70-130)
"And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read... But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God... made the world. And Jesus Christ our Savior rose from the dead on that same day." (Justin Martyr c. 160)
"There was no need of circumcision before Abraham. Nor was there need of the observance of Sabbaths, or of feasts and sacrifices, before Moses. Accordingly, there is no more need of them now." (Justin Martyr c. 160)
"We do not follow the Jews in their peculiarities in regard to food nor in their sacred days." (Tertullian c. 197)
"Just as the abolition of fleshly circumcision and of the old Law is demonstrated as having been consummated at its specific times, so also the observance of the Sabbath is demonstrated to have been temporary." (Tertullian c. 197)
"On the day of our Lord's resurrection, which is the Lord's Day, you should meet more diligently, sending praise to God who made the universe by Jesus... On this day, there is the reading of the Prophets, the preaching of the Gospel, the oblation of the sacrifice, and the gift of the holy food." (Apostolic Constitutions, compiled c.390)
Like the SDA on my mail route who acts very self righteous. I have a very low tolerance for self righteous people!
Amen!
Thank you for the video! I'm starting to watch it right now.
Excellent video! Very well explained! Revelation 1:10 was quoted in this video and it was confirmed that "the Lord's Day" mentioned in Revelation 1:10 is Sunday, the first day of the week, the day on which Christ rose from the dead.
I've also seen that series - it is very good and systematically lays out what the Sabbath is and is not in the New Covenant \o/.
-JGIG
I have never seen any mention of hot drinks in the bible. I don't think people had hot drinks in Biblical times. The only people I imagine would have had them are Chinese, Japanese and Indians because they drank Tea. I know Mormons don.t
have hot drinks but then there are a number of strange ideas in their Religion.
have hot drinks but then there are a number of strange ideas in their Religion.
My wife has a relative who is a Mormon and we invited him (along with some over relatives) over for breakfast one morning several years ago and when he arrived, he became very upset that we were all drinking and was so offended by it that he just walked out the door without even saying goodbye. Our other relatives who were there couldn't believe it. Talk about nonsense! Where is "thou shalt not drink coffee" in the Bible?
My wife has a relative who is a Mormon and we invited him (along with some over relatives) over for breakfast one morning several years ago and when he arrived, he became very upset that we were all drinking and was so offended by it that he just walked out the door without even saying goodbye. Our other relatives who were there couldn't believe it. Talk about nonsense! Where is "thou shalt not drink coffee" in the Bible?
Here is the reason why Mormons don't drink coffee. This is from the Mormon.org website - Our body is a precious gift from God. To help keep our bodies and our minds healthy and strong, God gave a law of health to Joseph Smith in 1833. This law is known as the Word of Wisdom (see Doctrine and Covenants 89:1-21).
In addition to emphasizing the benefits of proper eating and physical and spiritual health, God has spoken against the use of:
Tobacco.
Alcohol.
Coffee and tea.
Illegal drugs.
God promises great physical and spiritual blessings to those who follow the Word of Wisdom. Today, the scientific community promotes some of the same principles that a loving God gave to Joseph Smith nearly two centuries ago.
Of course, the Doctrine and Covenants are not inspired by God and Joseph Smith is a false prophet, but Mormons believe otherwise and follow this law they call the "Word of Wisdom."
In addition to emphasizing the benefits of proper eating and physical and spiritual health, God has spoken against the use of:
Tobacco.
Alcohol.
Coffee and tea.
Illegal drugs.
God promises great physical and spiritual blessings to those who follow the Word of Wisdom. Today, the scientific community promotes some of the same principles that a loving God gave to Joseph Smith nearly two centuries ago.
Of course, the Doctrine and Covenants are not inspired by God and Joseph Smith is a false prophet, but Mormons believe otherwise and follow this law they call the "Word of Wisdom."
The Sabbath was instituted in Exodus 16. It was the seventh day from the first giving of the manna. It was a Day of Rest. In Exodus it was illustrated from the seventh day of creation. But there is no suggestion that it was on the same day, which would have been lost in time. There is no mention of observance of the Sabbath prior to Exodus 16.
The Sabbath was for ISRAEL.
It pictured the coming rest of Jesus Christ (Heb 4).
Rom 14.5-6 and Col 2.16 both make clear its secondary nature,
The Sabbath was for ISRAEL.
It pictured the coming rest of Jesus Christ (Heb 4).
Rom 14.5-6 and Col 2.16 both make clear its secondary nature,