A Misquoted Scripture?

[Dread_Zeppelin]

This verse has been used around the forum a lot lately (including by myself) and I'd love some insight. I think I know what it means and how to interpret it but I'd like some opinions.

9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

1 Cor. 6:9-11

When reading this passage, is it talking about those who do not believe in Christ or people who commit these sins (repeatedly) who are Christians? Isn't the grace of salvation for all who accept Christ good enough to inherit the kingdom?

I know my answers, but I want to hear yours.

 

[dothackzero]

This is just off the top of my head(Can't think of any scripture to support it), but I think it's talking about people that haven't accepted Christ.

 

[aspen]

I've noticed that Paul is a good writer and tends to use a lot of dramatic examples in his letters. The verses that talk about boasting in the Lord come to mind - he is telling us that if we are going to boast (not a recommendation) then (at least) boast in the Lord.

I think he is doing the same thing here - he is describing people by their sin before Christ covered them with His saving blood, and then afterwords. So in a dramatic manner he is saying people without Christ are seen by God through their sin; people with Christ are seen by God through the blood of His Son

 

[Thaddaeus]

maybe the question would be would a true Christian commit these sins repeatly???

 

[Browncoat]

This verse has been used around the forum a lot lately (including by myself) and I'd love some insight. I think I know what it means and how to interpret it but I'd like some opinions.

9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

1 Cor. 6:9-11

When reading this passage, is it talking about those who do not believe in Christ or people who commit these sins (repeatedly) who are Christians? Isn't the grace of salvation for all who accept Christ good enough to inherit the kingdom?

I know my answers, but I want to hear yours.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11
Don't you know that unrighteous people will have no share in the Kingdom of G-d? Don't delude yourselves - people who engage in sex before marriage, who worship idols, who engage in sex after marriage with someone other than their spouse, who engage in active or passive homosexuality, who steal, who are greedy, who get drunk, who assail people with contemptuous language, who rob - none of them will share in the Kingdom of G-d. Some of you used to do these things. But you have cleansed yourselves, you have been set apart for G-d, you have come to be counted righteous through the power of the Lord Yeshua the Messiah and the Spirit of our G-d.

I think the last part is crucial: But you have cleansed yourselves, you have been set apart for G-d, you have come to be counted righteous through the power of the Lord Yeshua the Messiah and the Spirit of our G-d.

 

[shad]

Here is a verse of scripture that is often not quoted because of those that live in fear and in all the derivatives of fear. We are so careful not to offend the fearful because of what it might do to them. We tip-toe with the fearful and are hindered just being around them and that is not good.

Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

People that live in fear do not want to hear what this verse is saying about the fearful. The fearful are put in the same list with the unbelieving. The fearful are also the ones that live habitually in depression, anxiety, panic attacks, phobias and other psychotic and neurotic disorders of the mind and emotions. Some of you are probably really mad that this has been brought up but it's in your Bible and the scriptures take time to deal with fear and those that live in it.

One of the major causes of insomnia is fear related. Fear has torment and in the sub-conscious part of the mind fear keeps the individual from being able to rest. The mind is always racing subjectively with anxiety, worry and fretting. Many moms have this terrible disorder with their children. The are a nervous wreck with worry. They are constantly fearing the worst and magnify details into a frenzy of unsubstantiated fear. Teenagers that live in fear are those that have a deep seated problem of not being accepted by others, of not living up to the expectation of their parents.

Fear results in bad relationships and going in the wrong direction exhibiting behavior that is detrimental both short and long term. Fear is disguised with wanting to be my own person and creating an identity and image that they know will be rejected by the majority and accepted by the few. Fear is rooted in pride and is a sister to rebellion. There is more to being fearful then just being afraid of something. I personally know of a woman that to this day has lived her entire life in some of the strangest phobias that have resulted in crippling arthritis throughout her whole body that started wearing her away at a very young age.

All of these conditions of fear that exist is because the love of God is not there to remove it. Maybe we should take this category of the fearful in a different light then what we are accustomed to and see it for what it really is. Only the love of God can cast out fear and deal with the effects that have been established in the mind and emotions. We should make no mistake about the fearful and those that refuse the love of God. God is merciful and gracious but what can He do with those that reject the love and life that He has made available through His Son. These things are not said to be unkind but rather to have an understanding. We should deal with the fearful the same way we deal with any unbeliever, who is someone that has no ability to trust.

 

[MahogonySnail]

Gill:

Rev 21:8 But the fearful,.... Not the timorous sheep and lambs of Christ, the dear children of God, who are sometimes of a fearful heart, on account of sin, temptation, and unbelief; but such who are of cowardly spirits, and are not valiant for the truth, but who, through fear of men, either make no profession of Christ and his Gospel, or having made it, drop it, lest they should be exposed to tribulation and persecution; these are they that are afraid of the beast, and live in servile bondage to him.

 

[shad]

Jesus never played hanky-panky with His disciples when it came to the subject of fear. He never said anything like, 'I understand your fear and what you are going through.' He never said it because it does nothing to help. Love does not identify with fear or the fearful. Love rejects fear by casting it out.

Fear incapacitates a person and their ability to trust or have faith. God looks at fear as an enemy not a friend. Just look at what happened to the disciples on the boat when a storm came up. Jesus was resting on the boat while the others were afraid they were going to perish. They were paralyzed with fear and woke up the Master and told Him so in Mk 4:35-41. Jesus awoke, rebuked the storm and said this amazing thing to His disciples ...

40 And he said unto them, Why are ye so fearful? how is it that ye have no faith?
41 And they feared exceedingly, and said one to another, What manner of man is this, that even the wind and the sea obey him?

That wasn't very understanding of our Lord to ask such questions. He not only was angry with them being so fearful but also questioned their faith. How dare the Lord question their faith and confront them about their fear. There was a storm for goodness sake and the boat was sinking. Wasn't their fear justified? Where was the love in that? Jesus wasn't very understanding about fear and did not like being around it and the fear was absolutely related to their faith. What does GILL have to say about that?

 

[MahogonySnail]

Jesus wasn't angry in saying "be not afraid".

Mat 14:27 But straightway Jesus spake unto them, saying, Be of good cheer;it isI;be not afraid.
Joh 6:20 But he saith unto them, ItisI;be not afraid.


I believe JEsus understood their fear. He accepted their human weaknesses. And He still accepts and understands ours today.

 

[Thaddaeus]

Here is a verse of scripture that is often not quoted because of those that live in fear and in all the derivatives of fear. We are so careful not to offend the fearful because of what it might do to them. We tip-toe with the fearful and are hindered just being around them and that is not good.

Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

People that live in fear do not want to hear what this verse is saying about the fearful. The fearful are put in the same list with the unbelieving. The fearful are also the ones that live habitually in depression, anxiety, panic attacks, phobias and other psychotic and neurotic disorders of the mind and emotions. Some of you are probably really mad that this has been brought up but it's in your Bible and the scriptures take time to deal with fear and those that live in it.

One of the major causes of insomnia is fear related. Fear has torment and in the sub-conscious part of the mind fear keeps the individual from being able to rest. The mind is always racing subjectively with anxiety, worry and fretting. Many moms have this terrible disorder with their children. The are a nervous wreck with worry. They are constantly fearing the worst and magnify details into a frenzy of unsubstantiated fear. Teenagers that live in fear are those that have a deep seated problem of not being accepted by others, of not living up to the expectation of their parents.

Fear results in bad relationships and going in the wrong direction exhibiting behavior that is detrimental both short and long term. Fear is disguised with wanting to be my own person and creating an identity and image that they know will be rejected by the majority and accepted by the few. Fear is rooted in pride and is a sister to rebellion. There is more to being fearful then just being afraid of something. I personally know of a woman that to this day has lived her entire life in some of the strangest phobias that have resulted in crippling arthritis throughout her whole body that started wearing her away at a very young age.

All of these conditions of fear that exist is because the love of God is not there to remove it. Maybe we should take this category of the fearful in a different light then what we are accustomed to and see it for what it really is. Only the love of God can cast out fear and deal with the effects that have been established in the mind and emotions. We should make no mistake about the fearful and those that refuse the love of God. God is merciful and gracious but what can He do with those that reject the love and life that He has made available through His Son. These things are not said to be unkind but rather to have an understanding. We should deal with the fearful the same way we deal with any unbeliever, who is someone that has no ability to trust.

People that live in fear do not want to hear what this verse is saying about the fearful. The fearful are put in the same list with the unbelieving. The fearful are also the ones that live habitually in depression, anxiety, panic attacks, phobias and other psychotic and neurotic disorders of the mind and emotions. Some of you are probably really mad that this has been brought up but it's in your Bible and the scriptures take time to deal with fear and those that live in it.

man's court system don't even hold people with mental illness accountable, and you cast them into hell, unbelievable!!!!!!!
this is your intrepetaion of what fearful means , which to me is a very, very bad intrepetaion, mental illness is a sickness just as cancer, or aids there is something gone out of the norm with their Mind. God winks at ignorance, (which I think me and you should be happy that He does) also anyone who has mental illness, their mind is fooling them, why not say that fearful means what is says: to believe that Christ died for you and paid your debt, but yet that ain't good enough. you still have to be perfect, you can't have any unforgiven sin on you when you die. if you do you will burn in hell for the Blood of Jesus is Not good enough for your salvation , If I thought for one minute that there was something that I had to do in order to obtain salvation, I would constantly be in fear of dying and Going to hell. just as a lost person should, to be FEARFUL is to have no trust in the God of our salvation and to believe that we have to save ourselves and keep ourselves saved now, to be faithless in God, This is to be FEARFUL!!!!!!!

2co 1:9But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not TRUST IN ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead:

Esau feared that if he didn't get those beans that day that he would die, He didn't trust in God, to provide, He had no trust in God so He was fearful , or faithless

 

[Thaddaeus]

maybe the question would be would a true Christian commit these sins repeatly???

and If your answer to this is yes I know people who claim to be christians that repeatly have sex outside of marriage, so then they have never really repented (turned from that sin) But doesn't the Bible say :

1jo 1:9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just TO FORGIVE US our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.


so If we keep the teachings of Christ He gave us a prayer to pray daily and in this prayer we ask daily that our Father which art In heaven to forgive us of our debts/trespasses

 

[NodMyHeadLikeYeah]

maybe the question would be would a true Christian commit these sins repeatly???

Two thumbs up for this statement

 

[shad]

MS, you did not like me using the word anger to describe the mood of Christ. Where is that logical and circular reasoning that you are so famous for using in your understanding? Is it in the faith of the scriptures that reveal the heart and mood of Christ or in the understanding that you embrace? The (2) passages you quote are dealing with the same incident. In Mt 14: 26-31 you have fear and doubt being dealt with. We should not minimize what Christ is dealing with, and how He is dealing with it. There are believers that are having problems with fear and doubt and need to hear what these passages are saying to them.

v/26 - fear
v/27, 30 - afraid
v/29 - doubt
v/31 - little faith, doubt

Jesus is dealing with these things in the heart of His disciples because they are being hindered. If a believer is living in fear, how will they ever be able to reveal the love of God? Love must cast out fear or the believer will never be able to trust Christ and the words He speaks to them. Jesus beckoned Peter to come, Peter came and then fear took over and he began to sink. Peter had such little faith and was filled with doubt. Fear never reveals the righteousness of God. Fear fills the believer with doubt and they become unstable like Peter / Jm 1:6-8. Peter was like the wave of the sea that was driven and tossed by the wind. That is exactly what happens to people that don't have the right doctrine / Eph 4:14.

We have not been given a spirit of fear but of love and a sound mind / 2Tim 1:7. Peter did not know what spirit he was of, not only here in Mt 14 but also in Mk 14 when he smote the ear of the servant of the high priest / Jn 18:26. James and John in Lk 9:55 wanted to call fire down from heaven but were chided by the Lord not knowing what spirit they were of. Jesus did not like fear because it was contrary to His divine nature. He did everything to get rid of it in the heart of the disciples. If more believers tried to cast out fear through the love of the truth instead of trying to cast out demons, more people would be free from fear that the demons take advantage of and give people all kinds of problems mentally and emotionally.

 

[Tegelik]

This verse has been used around the forum a lot lately (including by myself) and I'd love some insight. I think I know what it means and how to interpret it but I'd like some opinions.

9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

1 Cor. 6:9-11

When reading this passage, is it talking about those who do not believe in Christ or people who commit these sins (repeatedly) who are Christians? Isn't the grace of salvation for all who accept Christ good enough to inherit the kingdom?

I know my answers, but I want to hear yours.

I think this passage goes to everyone. Christians who will not repent, will not inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[resurrection33]

This verse has been used around the forum a lot lately (including by myself) and I'd love some insight. I think I know what it means and how to interpret it but I'd like some opinions.

9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

1 Cor. 6:9-11

When reading this passage, is it talking about those who do not believe in Christ or people who commit these sins (repeatedly) who are Christians? Isn't the grace of salvation for all who accept Christ good enough to inherit the kingdom?

I know my answers, but I want to hear yours.

After you repent of your sin, you receive the blessings of the Lord, I believe.

 

[mpaper345]

When you are a Christian you are cleaned of all sin and have the Holy Spirit to help you to stay in a position of overcoming the flesh.

What those 2 passages of scripture are saying is that the unrighteous who do not receive the truth which they would not have the Spirit to overcome the flesh will do wrongful things and cannot inherit eternal life.It is saying that the people who came to Christ in the truth used to be like the unrighteous but they are not like that anymore so they can inherit eternal life.

But a person who came to Christ in the truth and received the Spirit but went back to sinning will fall victim to the condition of being unrighteous again and cannot inherit salvation.

Once saved always saved is not true if you still claim Christ as your savior but your lifestyle is not compatible with being a Christian.Jesus said not everyone that calls Him Lord will be saved but only those who allow the Spirit to lead them to overcome the flesh.Not everyone that claims to be with Christ is led of the Spirit are are considered unrighteous.

1.The Bible says if they accept the truth and are saved but go back to doing things that are unrighteous we will be worse in sin then when we first came to God and will not inherit salvation.It did not say that people who quit accepting Christ as their savior but if they do things unrighteous they will not be saved but applies to people who accept Christ as their savior but do things unrighteous.

2.The Bible says if we sin wilfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth,there remains no more sacrifice for those sins.Which means if we sin wilfully after we come to Christ then the sacrifice of Jesus will not cover those sins.This is not talking of a one time occurrence where a person fornicates and then is truly sorry and repents of it and stops doinf it but it is talking of people who live in sin like fornication and hold unto it.
Repenting of a sin and then doing it again and then repenting and doing it again holding unto that sin is not true repentance.You cannot hold unto a sin and not let it go and repent of it every time you do it and it is alright because that is not true repentance.
1.Repentance means you are sorry of that sin and doing it again and again means someone is not truly sorry.
2.Repentance means turning away from sin and doing it again and again is not turning away from sin.

The truth is there are millions of people who claim to be with Christ that were not even saved upon the day that they thought they were saved when they came to Christ because they thought by them repenting their lifestyle does not matter that much as long as they repented that one time and Christ will keep them pure.They are people who thought they repented when they came to Christ but went back to whatever sin they were engaged in before they came to Christ thinking that Christ does it all and their lifestyle does not matter that much.

3.Paul said if he did not abstain from sin he would be a castaway.He did not say deny Christ after he accepted Him but if he did not abstain from sin he would be a castaway.

4.The Bible says if we name the name of Christ we have to depart from all unrighteousness.

The truth is our lifestyle does matter and by the Spirit we can act like Christ and the only way we can make it to heaven is to cease from all sin which we can do by the Spirit but some people still allow some things of the flesh to be in their life and that is where all this fighting comes from among people who claim to be with Christ and that is where the false interpretations come from and that is where hypocrisy comes from,people who claim to be with Christ but still allow some things of the flesh to be in their life.
Traditions of men cause this,people wanting to believe they can do things of the flesh and still be right with God if they accpet Christ cause this.
The unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God whether they accept Christ or not.

Your lifestyle does matter contrary to what people believe but that is the flesh doing the talking.

16This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
17For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would(Galatians 5:16-17).

Matt

 

[Browncoat]

MS, you did not like me using the word anger to describe the mood of Christ.

Neither do I, and that's because it is inaccurate. Yeshua was not angry with his disciples.

 

[HumbleSaint]

I don't know anywere in the Bible that gives a person who lives in sin assurance that they are saved.

Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. 1 John 3:6

He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 1 John 3:8

Notice the suffix "eth" used I believe that means continuous or prolonged. Because the Bible says that if we sin we have an advocate with the Father. But it says in Hebrews 10 that if we willfuly sin ther remaineth no more sacrifice for someone who has trampled under foot the Son of Man.

 

[MahogonySnail]

MS, you did not like me using the word anger to describe the mood of Christ. Where is that logical and circular reasoning that you are so famous for using in your understanding? Is it in the faith of the scriptures that reveal the heart and mood of Christ or in the understanding that you embrace? The (2) passages you quote are dealing with the same incident. In Mt 14: 26-31 you have fear and doubt being dealt with. We should not minimize what Christ is dealing with, and how He is dealing with it. There are believers that are having problems with fear and doubt and need to hear what these passages are saying to them.

v/26 - fear
v/27, 30 - afraid
v/29 - doubt
v/31 - little faith, doubt

I just don't see where the mood anger is displayed in those scriptures. Jesus displayed anger to pharisees but rarely if ever to his disciples. Disappointment might be a better word to use. But then again he corrects them not in a spirit of anger but of encouragement and love as the Good Shepherd, as he fully understands their human weaknesses. The Good Shepherd does not beat His flock with a stick.

 

[DinoDillinger]

1 Corinthians 6:9-11
Don't you know that unrighteous people will have no share in the Kingdom of G-d? Don't delude yourselves - people who engage in sex before marriage, who worship idols, who engage in sex after marriage with someone other than their spouse, who engage in active or passive homosexuality, who steal, who are greedy, who get drunk, who assail people with contemptuous language, who rob - none of them will share in the Kingdom of G-d. Some of you used to do these things. But you have cleansed yourselves, you have been set apart for G-d, you have come to be counted righteous through the power of the Lord Yeshua the Messiah and the Spirit of our G-d.

I think the last part is crucial: But you have cleansed yourselves, you have been set apart for G-d, you have come to be counted righteous through the power of the Lord Yeshua the Messiah and the Spirit of our G-d.

What translation is this? I highlighted the part I find questionable.

To Dread: I think the verse is talking about false prophets teaching that you can accept Christ and still walk in those ways. Today it is called carnal christianity. This refers to the doctrine of regeneration I believe, anyone in Christ is a NEW creature, this verse explains part of that, 1John is also a good place to look. I think Paul is saying you will know them by their fruit.

God Bless


Edit: If you would like to listen to some preaching on regeneration I know paul washer talks about it, you can find some stuff on youtube or try sermonaudion.com for alot more.