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HistoryPrincess, God says he is preparing us spiritually through trials! He wants us to draw strength from Him and to live for His glory, not our own. We are like vapors here for a little while then gone yet God endures all this wickedness for generations gathering his saints through every generation. It's healthy to be upset at unrighteousness and Christians are a light to the world, we are to strive for righteousness. We are doing good in more ways than the world gives us credit, because we are at enmity with the world, it doesn't like us. For example the scientific method, expansion of hospitals, missionary work world wide, abolishing slavery, pro life campaigns, prison ministries... on and on. We can sit here for days going over the ways Christians are a light, doing works through love in a dark and evil world.
God knows what He's doing. What you are arguing fundamentally is that you KNOW better than God about good/evil and how they interact or how to fix it. You do not nor does anyone here. Read the story of Job for insight into the ways of God.
If you are upset at suffering for righteousness sake... read Peter 2:20-21 [....] But if you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God.[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT]To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps.
God gave His life for the sins of the world. We deserve no exaltation in fact, scripture says humble yourself and He will exalt you. If you want to dive deeper into this, my door is open.
God knows what He's doing. What you are arguing fundamentally is that you KNOW better than God about good/evil and how they interact or how to fix it. You do not nor does anyone here. Read the story of Job for insight into the ways of God.
If you are upset at suffering for righteousness sake... read Peter 2:20-21 [....] But if you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God.[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT]To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps.
God gave His life for the sins of the world. We deserve no exaltation in fact, scripture says humble yourself and He will exalt you. If you want to dive deeper into this, my door is open.
HistoryPrincess, God says he is preparing us spiritually through trials! He wants us to draw strength from Him and to live for His glory, not our own. We are like vapors here for a little while then gone yet God endures all this wickedness for generations gathering his saints through every generation. It's healthy to be upset at unrighteousness and Christians are a light to the world, we are to strive for righteousness. We are doing good in more ways than the world gives us credit, because we are at enmity with the world, it doesn't like us. For example the scientific method, expansion of hospitals, missionary work world wide, abolishing slavery, pro life campaigns, prison ministries... on and on. We can sit here for days going over the ways Christians are a light, doing works through love in a dark and evil world.
God knows what He's doing. What you are arguing fundamentally is that you KNOW better than God about good/evil and how they interact or how to fix it. You do not nor does anyone here. Read the story of Job for insight into the ways of God.
If you are upset at suffering for righteousness sake... read Peter 2:20-21 [....] But if you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God.[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT]To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps.
God gave His life for the sins of the world. We deserve no exaltation in fact, scripture says humble yourself and He will exalt you. If you want to dive deeper into this, my door is open.
God knows what He's doing. What you are arguing fundamentally is that you KNOW better than God about good/evil and how they interact or how to fix it. You do not nor does anyone here. Read the story of Job for insight into the ways of God.
If you are upset at suffering for righteousness sake... read Peter 2:20-21 [....] But if you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God.[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT]To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps.
God gave His life for the sins of the world. We deserve no exaltation in fact, scripture says humble yourself and He will exalt you. If you want to dive deeper into this, my door is open.
Everything coming along OK?
Then, from your line of thinking, God is no different from the parent who shoves his child down a flight of stairs just so he can comfort him. Or the boyfriend who sends a gang of thugs after his girlfriend so he can go rescue her.
I have read Job, and apparently all God is willing to say is "screw you, I'm right, you're wrong."
Christians have also promoted slavery long before it was abolished, preventing women from getting the right to vote and to be ministers, and teaching people that if they don't obey God they're going to burn in hell for all eternity. Just because something's traditional doesn't mean it's right.
I have read Job, and apparently all God is willing to say is "screw you, I'm right, you're wrong."
Christians have also promoted slavery long before it was abolished, preventing women from getting the right to vote and to be ministers, and teaching people that if they don't obey God they're going to burn in hell for all eternity. Just because something's traditional doesn't mean it's right.
I am also tired of encountering the sin nature of man. And my own. It leaves a more profound impact on me as I get older.
But we Christians love our fellow man, and want to see them come to Christ. We want to be with them. We want to pray to God for others.
But this is why Paul called it a long race, a marathon so to speak. I have run more then a couple of them. So I have experience. I am sure a fair number of people on this site have. We can all tell you, pace yourself. Know that you'll do feel more refreshed at some points of the race then others. When you finish the race, cross the finish line standing, the feeling is exhilarating.
But we Christians love our fellow man, and want to see them come to Christ. We want to be with them. We want to pray to God for others.
But this is why Paul called it a long race, a marathon so to speak. I have run more then a couple of them. So I have experience. I am sure a fair number of people on this site have. We can all tell you, pace yourself. Know that you'll do feel more refreshed at some points of the race then others. When you finish the race, cross the finish line standing, the feeling is exhilarating.
"HistoryPrincess, God says he is preparing us spiritually through trials! He wants us to draw strength from Him and to live for His glory, not our own."
That's not the case for everyone. One woman who lived through the Armenian genocide when she was only ten years old saw her father die right in front of her. She never got over it for the rest of her time on this earth. And what can you say for the people who walk away from their faith because they went through more than any human being should? How can you judge them? Their faith might once have been strong but they couldn't reconcile a caring God with the evil they faced.
That's not the case for everyone. One woman who lived through the Armenian genocide when she was only ten years old saw her father die right in front of her. She never got over it for the rest of her time on this earth. And what can you say for the people who walk away from their faith because they went through more than any human being should? How can you judge them? Their faith might once have been strong but they couldn't reconcile a caring God with the evil they faced.
This might help a little, but the full answers to many questions are not going to be found in a few short posts on a forum. Many things take months and years to understand in their most expansive examples.
A temptation is actually a test to show us how powerful we are. In an attempt to prove the true freedom that we have received in Christ, some people have said that temptation is not a sin and that temptation says nothing about our character. This statement is a half-truth. Temptation is not a sin, but it does say volumes about our character. The bigger the temptation, the more positive of a statement God is speaking about us. The temptation that we can handle shows the level to which God believes He can trust us.
Considering that there was temptation in the Garden of Eden and that even Jesus was tempted (see Matt. 4:1-11), we know that temptation is not a bad thing. I believe that God’s ultimate intention in allowing temptation in our lives is to prove something to us. It’s not, as so many have thought, that we are trying to prove something to Him. He doesn’t need us to prove ourselves to Him; He is not that insecure. However, He knows that we don’t understand what He has done in our lives, so He allows temptation to prove to us how amazing we are.
God wanted both Adam and Jesus to see that they could go toe-to-toe with satan himself and totally defeat temptation. Unfortunately, Adam didn’t understand this, and he failed. But now we have been made new creations in Christ (see 2 Cor. 5:17). God has set us totally free from the flesh, and He wants to prove this to us. Isn’t it just like God to take one of satan’s most powerful tools, designed to create shame and condemnation, and use it to prove to us our righteousness in Christ? The truth is, we are righteous in Christ. Temptation is not a sin. It is there to prove how free we really are!
J. Welton
A temptation is actually a test to show us how powerful we are. In an attempt to prove the true freedom that we have received in Christ, some people have said that temptation is not a sin and that temptation says nothing about our character. This statement is a half-truth. Temptation is not a sin, but it does say volumes about our character. The bigger the temptation, the more positive of a statement God is speaking about us. The temptation that we can handle shows the level to which God believes He can trust us.
Considering that there was temptation in the Garden of Eden and that even Jesus was tempted (see Matt. 4:1-11), we know that temptation is not a bad thing. I believe that God’s ultimate intention in allowing temptation in our lives is to prove something to us. It’s not, as so many have thought, that we are trying to prove something to Him. He doesn’t need us to prove ourselves to Him; He is not that insecure. However, He knows that we don’t understand what He has done in our lives, so He allows temptation to prove to us how amazing we are.
God wanted both Adam and Jesus to see that they could go toe-to-toe with satan himself and totally defeat temptation. Unfortunately, Adam didn’t understand this, and he failed. But now we have been made new creations in Christ (see 2 Cor. 5:17). God has set us totally free from the flesh, and He wants to prove this to us. Isn’t it just like God to take one of satan’s most powerful tools, designed to create shame and condemnation, and use it to prove to us our righteousness in Christ? The truth is, we are righteous in Christ. Temptation is not a sin. It is there to prove how free we really are!
J. Welton
Surprisingly, you totally missed what "free-will" is in making that statement.
You have "free-will" to chose whether or not to stick a sweet-tasting poison in your mouth. Why don't you do it? Because someone has told you that even though it honestly DOES taste sweet, it will kill you.
You have free-will to jump off a tall building so you can feel the thrill of flying in the air. Why don't you do that?
It's no different with the things God knows will harm us (even spiritually "kill" us) They look good... feel good... but the results, ain't so good for us. Sex is GREAT........ until you are a single mom stuck raising a baby. Aborting that child looks easy and inviting...... until you find you bear the years of guilt for murdering your own baby.
Most of your objections can easily be seen through the eyes of maturity. But, in order to do that, you have to get past the childish impulse of wanting everything "My way, right now." That requires living life, and trusting that the one who created you actually DOES know what is best for you in that life.
You have "free-will" to chose whether or not to stick a sweet-tasting poison in your mouth. Why don't you do it? Because someone has told you that even though it honestly DOES taste sweet, it will kill you.
You have free-will to jump off a tall building so you can feel the thrill of flying in the air. Why don't you do that?
It's no different with the things God knows will harm us (even spiritually "kill" us) They look good... feel good... but the results, ain't so good for us. Sex is GREAT........ until you are a single mom stuck raising a baby. Aborting that child looks easy and inviting...... until you find you bear the years of guilt for murdering your own baby.
Most of your objections can easily be seen through the eyes of maturity. But, in order to do that, you have to get past the childish impulse of wanting everything "My way, right now." That requires living life, and trusting that the one who created you actually DOES know what is best for you in that life.
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Then life is one big tease. Always having what you really want just out of reach. The logic then must go that (example) if all sorts of horrible things happen because of say, our sex drives (STDs, porn, cheating, selfishness, broken hearts, broken lives, just to name a few), then the drives themselves are bad.
There are those who cut parts of their body off because of any number of reasons. So what? What does that have to do with what you do?
Are you going to spend the short life you have to live, looking at what other people do? Or, are you finally going to realize ALL YOU get to concern yourself with, in the long run, is what YOU do, and how YOUR life is lived.
Are you going to spend the short life you have to live, looking at what other people do? Or, are you finally going to realize ALL YOU get to concern yourself with, in the long run, is what YOU do, and how YOUR life is lived.