my last argument for obedience

Grace777x70 · May 7, 2016

B1davanda

What do you mean, 'the grace I follow'?
I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.
HE's my Savior. HE's my Lord. HE's my God.
Jesus said,
'My sheep hear my voice, and I know them,
and they follow me, and I give unto them eternal life...' \

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If you keep interacting with him..he will have you on constant rabbit trails taking you from one thing to another.....just a friendly reminder. People have told me they have dealing with this for over a year now. It's only been 5 months for me..I'm still a newbie....

psalm6819 · May 7, 2016

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

Even if we differ I'm not gonna hammer on you, I know that I need to learn to extend the grace to you like Jesus does for me.

I know you are sincere and I know you love the LORD and I know that He leads all of us into wisdom.

I can't knock that chip off your shoulder but I know what it's like to be judged.....I'm a zaftig blonde, noone thought I had a brain

(although I went to trade school and college)

JGIG · May 7, 2016

jasonj said:

I've only had a chance to skim this thread, though I'd love to dive in head first, I have a family graduation to attend.

Much of the what is addressed in the OP can be addressed by rightly dividing the Word - what applies to you as a New Covenant Believer after the Cross vs. what was preached to those who were born under the Law before the Cross.

Soooooo many theological disputes can be laid to rest by rightly dividing the Word, something we're exhorted to do in 2 Tim. 2.

An excellent article on this topic can be found here:

Whose Medicine are You Taking? The Dangers of Taking Scripture Out of Context

Grace and peace to you,
-JGIG

jasonj · May 7, 2016

B1Davanda said:

What is the term Lord if not the one we are sworn to follow and obey?

Luke 6:46-49 " Why do you call me Lord, Lord and do not do what I say? I will show you what he is like who comes to me hears my words AND PUTS THEM INTO PRACTICE. He is like a man who dug down deep and laid His foundation on the rock. When the flood came a torrent struck the house but could not shake it because the house was well built. BUT the one who hears my words and DOES NOT PUT THEM INTO PRACTICE is like a man who built a house on the ground without a foundation. the nmoment the torrent struck that House it collapsed and its destruction was complete"

The point here is very clear. Without practicing, applying to our Lives or simply put ":doing" His teachings, we have no foundation only a house that's awaiting destruction. following the Lord Jesus is the only truth that will make our house stand. his words like usual, for people to reject or accept

hornetguy · May 7, 2016

psalm6819 said:

Now THAT is a response in love...bless you, sister!

Of course, now we start in with the blonde jokes....

(My wife is a blonde, too

)

Grace777x70 · May 7, 2016

Jason...here is my testimony of what the gospel of the grace of Christ has done for me which you continually disparage and mis-represent with false accusations in this thread.

This will be my last interaction in this matter as I trust in the Holy Spirit to reveal the Lord Jesus to all of us.

This is my testimony of what the gospel of the grace of Christ has done in my life:

I have a great passion for Christ!..here is what knowing Him because of the revelation of the gospel of the grace of Christ has done for me.

I was praying one morning and thinking about how the grace of Christ has affected me. I had the scripture come up in my spirit where the Pharisees were arguing about whether a man was born blind or not after Jesus healed him. Of course the Pharisees were trying to discredit the message of Jesus. The man said.." All I know is that I was born blind but now I see."

This is what the gospel of the grace of Christ has done in my life:

I realize that these beliefs in the grace of God....especially the acceptance grace and the total forgiveness that Jesus bought and paid for with His blood....that these can be offensive to our religious beliefs and what we have been taught in church. ( they were initially to me as well )

This gospel of the wondrous grace of Christ has had a beautiful affect on me. I am more in love with Jesus and the Father more then ever....in love with studying His word....praying in the spirit constantly with a heart full of joy!

This gospel has given me a compassion for other people and to reach out in love to them. To give more than I ever have with a heart full of love.

To live a holier life in Him...to be a witness of the life and love of our Lord in me.

If these are the horrible fruit of the grace of Christ in me....I want more!.....give me more grace please my Lord and God!

I am living a much fuller life now, more deeply in love with Jesus and the Father then ever before or ever dreamed was possible and I am just starting.

I am free from the horrible religion of self-effort, having the love of God pour out in me to help others now that I understand the grace that is in Christ then I did when I was doing the self-performance based gospel ( which is not the gospel )

I was blind but now I see. I see Jesus and His finished work for me!

It will always be in eternity "Worthy is the Lamb"..

it will never be.."Worthy is the Lamb......and me..because I did my own D.I.Y self-righteousness/holiness to help Jesus out"

It has always been about Jesus and Him alone and it will always remain that way for all eternity.

jasonj · May 7, 2016

JGIG said:

Naw, theres no difference in "pre cross" when it comes to Jesus. His words are for every Christian. people really just will avoid the truth and there are so many fallacies to enable us to come up with reasons to not follow Jesus. the op scriptures are all AFTER the crucifixion. they still say the same things, obey Jesus is an eternal commandment from God. How? the greatest commandment is to Love God with all of our heart, mind, soul and strength, and Love one another as we Love ourselves." what is LOVE?

2 john 1:6 and this is Love, that we walk in obedience to His commands, AS YOU HAVE HEARD FROM THE BEGINNING....v 9 ANYONE who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not Have God ; whoever continues in the teachoing has both the Father and the Son."

To Love God is to obey Jesus teachings. to obey Jesus teachings is to Love one another as God has taught us to do. its all about Jesus words. the scripture I gave you and the op were all written by men who understood far more than us, and they are pretty clear. the cross made 1 way for everyone after Jesus was born. and even thoise before He came still had the gospel preached to them, His gospel not the gog. But Jesus teachings and Life and death and resurrection. His teachings, are not separate from The atonement. its all part of Jesus , the Lord

hornetguy · May 7, 2016

If I believe what each side has stated, you are saying the same thing..

But, it sounds like one side is saying grace only, and ANY kind of work is negating grace... and the other side sounds like if you rely solely on grace, you're negating what Jesus taught.

We are saved by God's grace..and because we are saved, we will live our lives as best we can, in obedience to His commands..

When we fail in obedience, we are covered with grace, but that in NO way gives us reason to not strive daily to obey. We confess our failings and move forward.

Grace777x70 · May 7, 2016

hornetguy said:

That isn't accurate either hornetguy concerning saying that grace believers say we are saved by grace and therefor don't do any work as a result of the life of Christ in us.

Grace does not negate work. Paul said that he worked...but not him but the grace of God worked in him. Grace does work..it's Holy Spirit empowered work in and through us unto good works.

And no one has said NOT to obey Christ...this is the "straw-man" being erected.

As you say we are saved by grace and if and when we do fall - grace covers it and we walk on in who we are in Christ knowing we have no condemnation in Christ.

Grace is not a licence to sin....grace saves us "from" sin NOT so that we can sin. That is not true grace and we have said this a number of different ways.

jasonj · May 7, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

I'm glad friend. I will never accept any Gospel But the true one. and will not apologize for staying in the truth, nor will I say what people long to hear. you said you are in Love with Jesus? what does He say about if you Love me?

are u upset with me because of Jesus words? if you love me you will obey my commands? or the ones in the op? Love isn't a thought or even a feeling of appreciation friend. Love is to do what Jesus commands. is that my terrible insulting lie? or is it made so clear in scripture that there just is no valid argument, so all who refuse it have to come up with why JESUS words don't apply? He is the one who says do it, obey, be a wise builder. When a gospel says what Jesus says, ill Love it and accept it. I hope you press on in your faith. really u guys feel attacked, its the false doctrine I refuse. If something lines up with Jesus words, its accepted, if not its not the Gospel. but since I seem to be hurting all of your feelings, don't read or discuss. go to the ones who don't mention what Jesus teaches and says if you feel better there. I'm good either way. honestly this discussion over the past few days has made me so much wiser to the enemies methods, and I see so much more of how much of a hold he has on the church because of the many things itching ears want to hear.....sound doctrine is the teaching of Christ. itching ears want to hear other things with less commitment. commitment is where it is. all in or let the house fall with a great crash. His teachings provide all we need for godliness, even forgiveness according to our forgiveness to others, yeah that's a teaching of Jesus. His words have to make clear that He is teaching us how to live. he doesn't give tha many warnings he gives for no reason. doesn't equate us to workers for no reason, doesn't say teach people to obey my commands for no reason, He isn't called Lord for no reason......I am in no way condemning you or anyone, the doctrine out there that is so popular, is popular for a reason in a depraved world. I reject the gog as it is taught so widely, minimizing the things Jesus taught is its effect, I believe it to be a destructive herecy. Jesus taught an opposite message, I'm just firm and wont be moved from Jesus, there is no other way....

hornetguy · May 7, 2016

Please re-read my post...

jasonj · May 7, 2016

to be clear, I acceopt the true grace of God, all of pauls words, just not the misrepresentation of it that's so prevelant

jasonj · May 7, 2016

hornetguy said:

I cant keep up man, I apologize, I'm working and tryin to keep up I didn't even read 50 pers=cent of the comments, again I do apologize for that I will do my best to find it later and respond.

truthfully tho, there is no argument that will pull me from the teachings and words of Jesus. ive been at this far too long, I know where my Life and fellowship with the Lord is found, n ill never let go. once a person accepts the truth, the search ends and the journey begins, I'm in journey mode friend, been through the rest, but thank God He spoke the truth

Grace777x70 · May 7, 2016

hornetguy said:

My post was in response to this one aspect of your post. This below in bold is what I was responding to. Sorry if I didn't make that clear.

But, it sounds like one side is saying grace only, and ANY kind of work is negating grace

hornetguy · May 7, 2016

jasonj said:

I cant keep up man, I apologize, I'm working and tryin to keep up I didn't even read 50 pers=cent of the comments, again I do apologize for that I will do my best to find it later and respond.

truthfully tho, there is no argument that will pull me from the teachings and words of Jesus. ive been at this far too long, I know where my Life and fellowship with the Lord is found, n ill never let go. once a person accepts the truth, the search ends and the journey begins, I'm in journey mode friend, been through the rest, but thank God He spoke the truth

My comment was to Grace777.. he didn't read what I said...or he misunderstood it.

Grace777x70 · May 7, 2016

jasonj said:

Not reading 50% of the posts. This could be why you are not understanding what is being said and therefor you continually say false accusations about what people are actually saying. NO one is saying NOT to obey Christ. This is your continual straw-man and it is based on complete falsehood.

If you can't understand that believers in the grace of Christ believe that good works will come out of the believer that rely on Christ's finished work - when people have tried multiple different ways to show you the truth about the grace of Christ and it is just not taking hold on you, so maybe we should just agree to disagree....as this is getting to be just useless. The viewers can read all the posts and the Holy Spirit will guide them into all things....Let's just trust Him to do His job..He's faithful....All is well..Bless you Jason.....have a great rest of the weekend..don't forget about your mom tomorrow!.....

FreeNChrist · May 7, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

He can't believe that grace alone doesn't cause disobedience. As he said he tried grace alone and found it wanting. So he went back to before the cross and is content to remain there. I can't think of a better example of the type of person Hebrews speaks about. God help him.

HeRoseFromTheDead · May 7, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

You're the one responsible for starting the last 5 months of conflict when you brought in your unending copy/paste proselytizing for hyper grace. IT was quiet before that point. Well for a few months anyways after the hyper-law controversy ended.

Vdp · May 7, 2016

How can one's behavior effect one's Salvation?

IF Salvation was based on sins then yes one's behavior would affect one's Salvation.

BUT, Salvation is not based on one's behavior! Salvation is based on Faith and Grace and not any works we do.

Ephesians 2:8-9
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; [SUP]9 [/SUP]not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Salvation is based on Faith and Grace, and its not of our self. Its a Gift from God and is not based on works.

HeRosefromTheDead has Salvation based on our behavior which is works. If our behavior is sinning, HeRoseFromTheDead has us losing our Salvation.

We cannot lose our Salvation. Once we have received Salvation we can never lose our Salvation. HeRoseFromTheDead has people losing their Salvation daily.

Show us where HeRoseFromTheDead God says we can lose our Salvation by our behavior? By behavior do you mean sinning?

If you believe we can lose our Salvation by sinning then when Jesus died on the Cross God lied to us.

1 John 1:7
[SUP]7 [/SUP]but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.

Clearly the Holy Spirit says the Blood of Jesus cleanses us from ALL sin!

So which sin HeRoseFromTheDead was NOT cleansed by the Blood of Jesus?

If i read this right HeRoseFromTheDead does not believe all our sins, past, present, and future were cleansed from us by the Blood of Jesus.

Which bring us back to is HeRoseFromTheDead really a True Christian or a wolf in sheep clothing?

Peoples please read the Scriptures. Read what the Holy Spirit says. Its very clear in the Scriptures we cannot lose our Salvation by our sins because we never received Salvation by our not sinning. Its only by Faith and Grace do we receive Salvation. Therefore we cannot lose our Salvation by sinning.

DavidsLie · May 7, 2016

Vdp -- Amen. We need to accept Jesus CHrist as our Lord and Saviour, and confess our sins to God. Period.

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