my last argument for obedience

Magenta · May 9, 2016

hornetguy said:

To which "girl" do you refer? I will give you a sample of my posts in this thread:

Magenta said:

So perhaps you can see why I ask for clarification.

hornetguy · May 9, 2016

Magenta said:

Absolutely NOT you, Magenta... you always post with love and respect... your Christ-like attitude is very evident, sis...

Grace777x70 · May 9, 2016

Magenta said:

Those who believe that (water) baptism is required for salvation are quick to use 1 Peter 3:21 as a “proof text,” because it states “baptism now saves you.” Was Peter really saying that the act of being baptized is what saves us? If he were, he would be contradicting many other passages of Scripture that clearly show people being saved (as evidenced by their receiving the Holy Spirit) prior to being baptized or without being baptized at all (like the thief on the cross in Luke 23:39-43). A good example of someone who was saved before being baptized is Cornelius and his household in Acts 10. We know that they were saved before being baptized because they had received the Holy Spirit, which is the evidence of salvation (Romans 8:9; Ephesians 1:13; 1 John 3:24). The evidence of their salvation was the reason Peter allowed them to be baptized. Countless passages of Scripture clearly teach that salvation comes when one believes in the gospel, at which time he or she is sealed “in Christ with the Holy Spirit of promise” (Ephesians 1:13).

Thankfully, though, we don’t have to guess at what Peter means in this verse because he clarifies that for us with the phrase “not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience.” While Peter is connecting baptism with salvation, it is not the act of being baptized that he is referring to (not the removal of dirt from the flesh). Being immersed in water does nothing but wash away dirt. What Peter is referring to is what baptism represents, which is what saves us (an appeal to God for a good conscience through the resurrection of Jesus Christ). In other words, Peter is simply connecting baptism with belief. It is not the getting-wet part that saves but is the “appeal to God for a clean conscience” which is signified by baptism, that saves us. The appeal to God always comes first. First belief and repentance, then we are baptized to publicly identify ourselves with Christ. Does 1 Peter 3:21 teach that baptism is necessary for salvation?

Great post!.....and the scripture talks a lot about having our consciences cleansed when we know we are forgiven. Knowing that our sins are forever gone from us affects our consciences and purges it to grow in who we are in Christ now because of His blood washing away our sins.

Hebrews 9:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

Magenta · May 9, 2016

hornetguy said:

Thank you for clarifying, though I do not always post with love and respect, it is certainly a worthy goal, and one I would like to be better at.

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keepitsimple · May 9, 2016

Walk away folks and let this thread die the death it deserves.

Magenta · May 9, 2016

Controversy is essential in the face of rejection and distortion... God has ordained that the truth be maintained in the world partly by human defense. For example, Paul says in Philippians 1:7 that he is in prison for the "defense and confirmation of the gospel." And Jude 3 says that we should "contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints." And Acts 17:2-3 says that Paul's custom in the synagogue was to "reason" from the Scriptures and "explain and give evidence" that Jesus was the Christ. So the preservation and transmission of precious truth from person to person and generation and generation may require controversy where truth is rejected or distorted.

But controversy is also deadly because it feels threatening and so it tends to stir up defensiveness and anger. It's deadly also because it focuses on the reasons for truth rather than the reality behind truth, and so tends to replace exultation in the truth with disputation about the truth. This is deadly because thinking rightly about truth is not an end in itself; it's a means toward the goal of love and worship. Paul said in 1 Timothy 1:5 that "the goal of our instruction is love." And he prayed in Philippians 1:9-11 that our "love . . . abound in knowledge . . . unto the glory and praise of God." Controversy tends to threaten both love and praise. It's hard to revel in a love poem while arguing with someone about whether or not your sweetheart wrote it. What is Baptism and Does it Save? | Desiring God

Grace777x70 · May 9, 2016

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keepitsimple said:

Now that is wisdom..thank you. I am submitting myself to the Lord's wisdom being spoken through you.

PilgrimPassingThru · May 9, 2016

Obedience unto death, I never thought I would type that

PilgrimPassingThru · May 9, 2016

I did mean this way, sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness, not obedient unto death (just clarifying)

hornetguy · May 9, 2016

Magenta said:

Well, nobody's perfect, least of all me, but what I've seen of your posts shows your spirit. And it's good...

Others, not so much.

I think it's evident to anyone that follows "vibrant" discussions on here just who are the ones that are trying to discuss in a civil manner, and who are the ones that only want to jump in and call names and be hateful.

Believe me, I understand getting worked up and ticked off... I have to fight that in myself ALL the time, but my goal is to be civil and respectful, even with the ones with whom I disagree. Believe me, my "natural, sinful man" is more inclined to go absolutely medieval on people that treat me with disrespect, but I "buffet my body daily" to avoid that. (thanks, Paul

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I've learned over the years that life is a learning process, and that I "knew" a WHOLE lot more 20 years ago than I do today.

jasonj · May 9, 2016

Brainfreeze said:

you did not understand what I said about the spirit. all things come to the believer BY THE WORD. we receive what we HEAR and BELIEVE. how can we hear and receive unless the word is spoken? that is my point with connecting the word and spirit. the spirit is the spirit of Jesus Christ. romans8:9. and again who is the spirit? galatians 4:6 "the spirit of His son".......He is also the spirit of TRUTH as Named by Jesus who is " the way TRUTH and Life." the holy spirit is the spirit of Jesus the Christ of God, Gods son." I am with you even until the end of the age" Jesus the man left earth, But His spirit( the one commited to God at the cross) was sent to Gods throne, and then sent out into all the earth. this is in a few obscure places in scripture.

The point I'm saying about Jesus nature and the spirit is this. it is Jesus spirit, Jesus himself said " he will remind you of everything I have told you" to followers that should connect His spirit and His words in the gospels. His Jesus spirit in us, will not disagree with the gospel. the rest of scripture, does not disagree with the gospel. there is a perfect order to the scripture. many take scripture like this : "well paul said this, james said this. they are opposed. naw, not at all. to see faith read james and paul, take nothing away and add the truth together. scripture doesn't take from other scripture. it adds to it. But the gospel of Jesus Christ rules, Because He is the King there is no other Lord. Therefore His words are those of the King.

so, woithout arguing you, I see an absolute and complete connection between the word, and the spirit. the word is eternal, JESUS words eternal and of the only LORD and king

Utah · May 9, 2016

hornetguy said:

Well, nobody's perfect, least of all me, but what I've seen of your posts shows your spirit. And it's good...

Others, not so much.

I think it's evident to anyone that follows "vibrant" discussions on here just who are the ones that are trying to discuss in a civil manner, and who are the ones that only want to jump in and call names and be hateful.

Believe me, I understand getting worked up and ticked off... I have to fight that in myself ALL the time, but my goal is to be civil and respectful, even with the ones with whom I disagree. Believe me, my "natural, sinful man" is more inclined to go absolutely medieval on people that treat me with disrespect, but I "buffet my body daily" to avoid that. (thanks, Paul

)

I've learned over the years that life is a learning process, and that I "knew" a WHOLE lot more 20 years ago than I do today.

I love your love for the Lord, my Brother. I get bummed out when people I love and respect bang heads with one another, but I guess that's called growing pains.

Brainfreeze · May 9, 2016

jasonj said:

you did not understand what I said about the spirit. all things come to the believer BY THE WORD. we receive what we HEAR and BELIEVE. how can we hear and receive unless the word is spoken? that is my point with connecting the word and spirit. the spirit is the spirit of Jesus Christ. romans8:9. and again who is the spirit? galatians 4:6 "the spirit of His son".......He is also the spirit of TRUTH as Named by Jesus who is " the way TRUTH and Life." the holy spirit is the spirit of Jesus the Christ of God, Gods son." I am with you even until the end of the age" Jesus the man left earth, But His spirit( the one commited to God at the cross) was sent to Gods throne, and then sent out into all the earth. this is in a few obscure places in scripture.

The point I'm saying about Jesus nature and the spirit is this. it is Jesus spirit, Jesus himself said " he will remind you of everything I have told you" to followers that should connect His spirit and His words in the gospels. His Jesus spirit in us, will not disagree with the gospel. the rest of scripture, does not disagree with the gospel. there is a perfect order to the scripture. many take scripture like this : "well paul said this, james said this. they are opposed. naw, not at all. to see faith read james and paul, take nothing away and add the truth together. scripture doesn't take from other scripture. it adds to it. But the gospel thof Jesus Christ rules, Because He is the King there is no other Lord. Therefore His words are those of the King.

so, woithout arguing you, I see an absolute and complete connection between the word, and the spirit. the word is eternal, JESUS words eternal and of the only LORD and king

Thought you said you were done with the discussion ? .. Well, I've heard enough, and am done, I still love you as I know Jesus does, and I'm sure you will figure it out one day Jason. The Holy Spirit is The Holy Spirit ... Period

PilgrimPassingThru · May 9, 2016

I would elect Hornetguy an elder in the church he would be good at it, he doesnt push until he has been pushed hard a few times, he is not a coward, acts like a man doesnt throw his weight around and he is a genuine stand up guy.

Who is kind

HeRoseFromTheDead · May 9, 2016

B1Davanda said:

Oh no. Another l̶i̶a̶r̶ false witness.

jasonj · May 9, 2016

Brainfreeze said:

I agree. obedience to Christ isn't like it is to a stone law. the law in Christ is not do it or die. But also, there are warnings against not yielding and growing, some who are branches at one point will refuse the fruit of the spirit, and I don't know how long, but Jesus makes it clear those fruitless branches will be removed and are deemed useless and wasting space. these seems harsh and we don't want to accept what He said. but really He doesn't lie, and the warnings throughout are for our safety. if we continue to go against gods word, we absolutely WILL be cut off at a point. not my thoughts, the gospel. its all written in the gos[pel

PilgrimPassingThru · May 9, 2016

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

Brainfreeze · May 9, 2016

jasonj said:

What' your not getting Jason is when there is a change of heart and we soak in His Words, and receive the Holy Spirit after accepting Him into our lives, that person won't grow to be hitler, he might've had the mentality to destroy as hitler had prior to coming to Christ. It won't be on the individuals heart anymore, the individual will be at peace because of the love and forgiveness that's in Christ. Then we are shown things, like how we were decieved, the blinders come off.. We are shown about even ourselves and the hate that was inside. We overcome with love. This mirage is removed and the real deal is there, something we can't deny. There's only one unforgivable sin and that's blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

jasonj · May 9, 2016

Brainfreeze said:

lol have a good one

Utah · May 9, 2016

Jason, do the numbers 0047 mean anything to you?

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