Ge hinnon was a valley where the garbage and dead bodies were burnt.
Why cannot be gehenna described as being set on fire?
Hell. It is in the Bible isnt it?
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Ge hinnon was a valley where the garbage and dead bodies were burnt.
Why cannot be gehenna described as being set on fire?
| Ecclesiasticus 1:34 For the fear of the Lord is wisdom and discipline: and that which is agreeable to him, |
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Job 28:28
And he said to man: Behold the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom: and to depart from evil, is understanding. [/TD]
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Psalms 110:10
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. A good understanding to all that do it: his praise continueth for ever and ever. [/TD]
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Proverbs 1:7
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. Fools despise wisdom and instruction. [/TD]
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Proverbs 9:10
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is prudence. [/TD]
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Proverbs 15:33
The fear of the Lord is the lesson of wisdom: and humility goeth before glory. [/TD]
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Ecclesiasticus 1:16
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, and was created with the faithful in the womb, it walketh with chosen women, and is known with the just and faithful. [/TD]
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Ecclesiasticus 1:22
The fear of the Lord is a crown of wisdom, filling up peace and the fruit of salvation: [/TD]
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Ecclesiasticus 1:25
The root of wisdom is to fear the Lord: and the branches thereof are longlived. [/TD]
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Isaias (Isaiah) 33:6
And there shall be faith in thy times: riches of salvation, wisdom and knowledge: the fear of the Lord is his treasure. [/TD]
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Ecclesiasticus 21:13
The perfection of the fear of God is wisdom and understanding. [/TD]
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Ecclesiasticus 19:18
And give place to the fear of the most High: for the fear of God is all wisdom, and therein is to fear God, and the disposition of the law is in all wisdom. [/TD]
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Ecclesiasticus 1:20
To fear God is the fulness of wisdom, and fulness is from the fruits thereof. [/TD]
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Ecclesiasticus 19:21
Better is a man that hath less wisdom, and wanteth understanding, with the fear of God, than he that aboundeth in understanding, and transgresseth the law of the most High. [/TD]
That can never work.... because Scripture IS never anything but the opinion of the ones interpreting (reading) it, as I constantly point out with the Luke 14:26 reference.
Matthew Henry seems to understand it as saying both things. He seems to read it as; "save by warning the rebellious type of the fire to come, but fear the possibility of becoming infected yourself by their filthy garment."
That was to Willie..but when I went to change something.....I erased his quote by accident and didn't notice it........it was in response to Wille's post #341..no problem....
My son doesn't fear me in the traditional sense of fear. What he fears is disappointing me because it is his own desire to make me proud. Not because he seeks my approval, but because he loves and respects me because I treat him with love kindness dignity and respect. That is Godly fear that brings life to relationship. Fearing someone because of what they might do to you is tyranny.
So all those billions of people who read that word thousands of years ago, and also had no idea what it could possibly mean died while the hourglass of time waited for US to finally be born? Wow! That's better than Star Trek.
Which gives us a problem with all the people who pound their Bibles, and shout "There is only ONE way to understand any Scripture... and MY way is that right way, so the rest of you are going to Hell in a hand basket."
If a tyrannical God is what you want to present to someone that is sad. Only love can lead people to the place of a Godly personal sorrow for what Jesus has done. The alternative is forced sorrow and it leads to death.
That was to Willie..but when I went to change something.....I erased his quote by accident and didn't notice it........it was in response to Wille's post #341..no problem....
Yes, I think you and I both know why they are there.
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Deeds are not the same as sins.
New American Standard Bible
And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.
Deeds~~ergon: work
Original Word: ἔργον, ου, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: ergon
Phonetic Spelling: (er'-gon)
Short Definition: work, labor, action, deed
Definition: work, task, employment; a deed, action; that which is wrought or made, a work.
New American Standard Bible
and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.
hamartia: a sin, failure
Original Word: ἁμαρτία, ας, ἡPart of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: hamartia
Phonetic Spelling: (ham-ar-tee'-ah)
Short Definition: a sin
Definition: prop: missing the mark; hence: (a) guilt, sin, (b) a fault, failure (in an ethical sense),
We know that they will be judged according to their deeds/works.
And yes, the lost die in their sins but they are not judged according to sins. Because Jesus Christ did not put a stop to sin, He paid for them ALL.
Unbelievers still die in the sphere of their sin(Because Jesus didn't put a stop to sin) but they will not be judged according to their sin(because Jesus Christ paid for ALL sin)
I've always found it fascinating that the 3,000 on the day of Pentecost were never threatened with burning in Hell. Only that Jesus was the one they had been waiting for, and that they killed Him. That was all it took.
Ok so I pose this question once again to MsSusanna. Given that Jesus paid the price for all sin (I assume everyone here agrees on that) and the punishment for dying apart from Christ (in sin) is eternal concious damnation and torture. Why does it appear that Jesus got a get of jail free card in regards to the penalty of the sin he paid for being eternal damnation and torture? I think it's a legit question and for me, it is a glaring discrepancy in regards to the consistency and justice of God and the eternal hell fire doctrine.
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Gr8grace
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From my personal experience, one needs not mention the LoF. Even if we believe it is "poof" you are gone or you burn forever. Not good either way.
The love of Christ should be compelling enough, is it not?
We don't need to know the "doctrine of hell" of to be saved.
It shames me to say that I was baptized in the CoC out of that fear. And it was decades before I saw how wrong that was.
I'd take it a step further and say that it can be harmful to an immature Christian or unbeliever.
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Gr8grace
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So Kris, I assume you believe in annihilation? So why wasn't Christ annihilated? If that truly is the Justice of God for sin.
Good question. I'm not sure that His original earthly flesh wasn't. I know His resurrected body wasn't. I don't think we have an answer.
I'm not really in that camp either. Can I just say "I don't know"? What I am tho, is asking the question in regards to eternal torment because I want the people who believe in that to provide an answer for it....or just simply say that they don't know..... instead of throw these scriptures at me that I've already chewed on and chewed on.