Hell. It is in the Bible isnt it?

[Magenta]

Then everybody is saved? A sinners death satisfies His perfect Justice? Adam was saved the moment he died, because Adams death satisfied Gods Justice?

The resurrection of the righteous and the wicked. The wicked are saved because Gods justice was satisfied in their physical death?

Those whose names are not found written in the Lamb's book of life pass into the second death, just as Scripture promises from Genesis onward: the wages of sin is death. God set up the sacrificial system of blood atoning for sin so that when Jesus came to pay the ultimate price with His sinless life, sin would be dealt with once and for all. Now those who believe on Him are granted eternal life and those who attempt to stand on their own merit are found to be unworthy, as we all are.

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that
whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

 

[MsSuzanna]

Well all I can say is you have a right to your opinion. Some people come off as one way until you get to know them. I have no dog in this fight. But I dont want you to take your anger out on me because of someone else,that is unfair. And I felt very much like that is what you have been doing in this thread.

Is this still going on? Unbelievable!! Wow! How can he just into this mindset if he has been spending time with the Lord? The point is,he cant

He has concocted this all in his head Kayla. It didnt happen like that at all. I fact his story gets more colorful as time goes by. This really is pretty unbelievably sad that he has this kind of anger pent up. Willie needs some help. I will start to report his blatant attacks at me and his inuendo agreement fto others who are trying to a appease to him I guess. The pack needs dispersed. Wolves tend to attack in groups.

Run to Jesus Willie! He will set you free!!

 

[Magenta]

(1) The Hebrew word Sheol clearly means "the grave" not "hell." Everyone went to Sheol when they died, not just the wicked. Sheol was not a place of suffering, because in Job 14:13, a much-beset Job asked to go to Sheol to escape suffering. Sheol was not a place where God was absent, because King David said in Psalm 139:8 that when he made his bed in Sheol (i.e., when he died and was laid in his grave), God would be with him. And Sheol was not an eternal inescapable prison, because in Psalm 49:15 the Sons of Korah said that God would redeem them from Sheol, by which they meant that they would be resurrected from the grave to new life. Furthermore, the prophet Ezekiel and the apostle Paul agreed that all Israel would be saved, and yet in Genesis 37:35, Israel himself said that he would be reunited with his son Joseph in Sheol. How can all Israel be saved if Israel himself is in "hell"? In each case Sheol clearly means "the grave" or "the abode of all the dead, good and bad" and cannot be interpreted as "hell" unless "hell" is heaven!

(2) The Greek word Hades also clearly means "the grave" not "hell." Everyone went to Hades when they died, not just the wicked. Hades contained heavenly regions like the Elysian Fields and the Blessed Isles. The Greek hell was Tartarus, which is discussed below, in section 4.

(3) The place name Gehenna does not mean "hell" because Gehenna is a valley in Israel known in Hebrew as Gehinnom, or the Valley of Hinnom. Today Gehenna is a lovely park and tourist attraction. Wonderful archeological discoveries have been made there, such as the healing pool of Siloam and the oldest Bible verses ever discovered, inscribed on small silver amulets. Those verses are the benediction "The LORD bless thee and keep thee; the LORD make his countenance to shine upon thee and be gracious unto thee."

(4) The Greek hell was Tartarus. This is the only word in the Bible that actually means "hell" in either Greek or Hebrew. But the word Tartarus appears only one time in the entire Bible, in 2 Peter 2:4. And that verse is about fallen angels awaiting judgment, so its hell is not eternal and is not for human beings.

How many times is hell mentioned in the Bible?

 

[Willie-T]

I totally agree. I had an issue with a family member that began writing me online. He had issues with me and before long we had the whole family in an upset and refusing to talk to one another. I'll admit I got mad,and I blasted him but good. But once we were face to face we acted like nothing was wrong. Luckily we have cleared it all up and its in the past.But I do not use the computer to discuss family issues anymore.If its that serious then you need to come to my face and we will talk to out. Otherwise it cant be that important. Writing doesn't show facial expressions or any non verbal communication. Ive been told I pay more attention and read more non verbal conversation than the average person,not that Im sure what that means.lol

Ok Willie I got a good old fashioned Christian side hug here waitin for ya. Do you accept? You better,I dont hug often, especially grumpy old guys like you. Are ya man nough!

I'll only accept it if you promise not to tell my wife..... I'm married, ya know, and there has to be the awareness that something like that might not be appropriate. (How about we just PM back and forth?) LOL

BTW, ask Sirk the intent of this post if you feel irritation coming on. LOL

 

[Born_Again]

Do you believe God is unjust for allowing people to choose Hell? Do you believe a person would choose Hell while at the same time not wanting to go to Hell?

Well, if they chose not to follow Christ, they have chosen hell whether they like it or not. They hope just being a good person (whatever that means) is enough. But if they believe in heaven then they would have to believe in God. If they believe in God, why deny Him?

 

[Sirk]

Is this still going on? Unbelievable!! Wow! How can he just into this mindset if he has been spending time with the Lord? The point is,he cant

He has concocted this all in his head Kayla. It didnt happen like that at all. I fact his story gets more colorful as time goes by. This really is pretty unbelievably sad that he has this kind of anger pent up. Willie needs some help. I will start to report his blatant attacks at me and his inuendo agreement fto others who are trying to a appease to him I guess. The pack needs dispersed. Wolves tend to attack in groups.

Run to Jesus Willie! He will set you free!!

We're just trying to land the plane. The only one keeping it in the air is you.

 

[MsSuzanna]

Hello kedge,

You say there is no proof of an afterlife and then you get rid of the very proof that you say doesn't exist, which is the event of the rich man and Lazarus by reducing it to being a parable. How convenient! So, what would you have to say about Moses and Elijah appearing with Jesus when He was changed into his glorified state and they spoke with him about his departure? Or, what do you make of the 5th seal where those souls under the altar in heaven who are asking the Lord how long before he avenges the those on the earth who killed them and are give white robes to wear. And what do you make of the following:

"Therefore God exalted Him to the highest place, and gave Him the name above all names, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."


"And I saw a mighty angel proclaiming in a loud voice, “Who is worthy to break the seals and open the scroll?”But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth could open the scroll or even look inside it. "

"Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, saying:“To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power,

for ever and ever!”
​

Those under the earth would be referring to those in Sheol/Hades in that parable place that you were talking about. How about the following:

"Truly I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise."

In the scripture above, this is what Jesus promised the man who was crucified next him. How could Jesus promise that they would be in paradise, when both men died that very day? You would have to be conscious and existing in order to experience paradise.

There are many more examples of conscious awareness of the spirit/soul after death. The question is, are you one of those who automatically distorts those scriptures because you have adopted someone else's teachings or are you concerned about what the scriptures really say?

Hi Ahwatukee
Kedge has said that he is not a christian. He hasnt been reborn again in Christ.He hasnt had any teaching. fyi.

 

[Willie-T]

I try to but sometimes I feel like Im being tackled. That being said Ive made a lot of friends out of people that I first took a dislike to. Depleted reminded me of that.lol We got off on the wrong foot but now she seriously cracks me up. I read just about all her posts, yes I am stalking you, and she's a trip! I try to find where I do agree with someone and stay away from where we dont agree. There is one person here that it has never worked on but I think they have a serious attitude problem.I haven't seen them around lately so maybe they got tired of CC and moved on.

I have only found one person like that.... and I actually liked him quite a bit.

That was Valiant Warrior.

He had this idea that the denomination I attend teaches "several false doctrines." Not only does a statement like that make no sense, but it couldn't be farther from the truth. I provided him with long, long pages of the SoF of my denomination and also a link to their values. He refused to look, saying he knew what he knew, and that was that.

Frankly this kind of thing irritates me more than anything.

You can accuse me of stealing your car, and I won't get too upset. I will simply show you that I was in Italy that day... or whatever. BUT, if you refuse to look at my plane tickets or at photos of me in Italy, holding up a dated newspaper, and keep on insisting I stole your car, our relation will soon end

 

[MsSuzanna]

Just FYI Willie, prophecy is also scripture. All that is going to happen regarding end-time events are prophetic scriptures. Anything that is written in the word of God is scripture, which includes all prophecy.

Yep! In fact, 1/3 of scripture is prophecy!!

 

[kaylagrl]

I'll only accept it if you promise not to tell my wife..... I'm married, ya know, and there has to be the awareness that something like that might not be appropriate. (How about we just PM back and forth?) LOL

BTW, ask Sirk the intent of this post if you feel irritation coming on. LOL

Hey,I said a Christian side hug, and your lovely wife can be present the whole time! And Im married too. I dont go around hugging strangers but a Christian viral side hug shouldnt get us into trouble. Besides Im a brunette and you are clearly into beautiful blonds. And frankly,I like teasin ya and yankin your chain just a wee bit.

 

[oyster67]

I totally agree. I had an issue with a family member that began writing me online. He had issues with me and before long we had the whole family in an upset and refusing to talk to one another. I'll admit I got mad,and I blasted him but good. But once we were face to face we acted like nothing was wrong. Luckily we have cleared it all up and its in the past.But I do not use the computer to discuss family issues anymore.If its that serious then you need to come to my face and we will talk to out. Otherwise it cant be that important. Writing doesn't show facial expressions or any non verbal communication. Ive been told I pay more attention and read more non verbal conversation than the average person,not that Im sure what that means.lol

Ok Willie I got a good old fashioned Christian side hug here waitin for ya. Do you accept? You better,I dont hug often, especially grumpy old guys like you. Are ya man nough!

We need to all get together and watch "The Waltons" together.

 

[Born_Again]

We need to all get together and watch "The Waltons" together.

"Goodnight, John boy!"

 

[Magenta]

Hi Ahwatukee
Kedge has said that he is not a christian. He hasnt been reborn again in Christ.He hasnt had any teaching. fyi.

Kedge showed a great a deal of humility and understanding in his studies of Scripture, some that surpassed that of Christians in this very thread. I pray that God continues to open his eyes to the Truth found in Jesus Christ.

 

[Willie-T]

One thing about Willie and others on here. He and they are older than me and I was raised to show respect to my elders. Right or wrong that's the way that I roll.

Please. I hope I will NEVER play on that. If I am acting stupid, don't ever think age gives me that right. Demi knows I won't hesitate to talk straight and plainly to a kid because they are younger, and it should apply equally in both directions.

I don't however, like the crap of "Well, he's old, so I will forgive his stupidity." I will honestly reply that I have probably forgotten more than they will ever even know. LOL

 

[Willie-T]

I see Sirk has refused to answer my questions, why?

Again Sirk, if you believe in Justice then how is God suppose to deal with those who reject Him?

Ignoring them is not Justice, letting them do whatever they think is right is not Justice. So tell me Sirk just how is God suppose to deal with those who refuse to accept Him as their Lord and Savior?

Or will you continue to refuse to give an answer?

I gave you the answer. And I know him well enough to believe my answer reflects his understanding.

Sometimes a person may not reply to you if they see you have already heard the answer from someone else.

 

[Born_Again]

I gave you the answer. And I know him well enough to believe my answer reflects his understanding.

Sometimes a person may not reply to you if they see you have already heard the answer from someone else.

I think Sirk did eventually answer. He said he accidentally overlooked it.

 

[kaylagrl]

I have only found one person like that.... and I actually liked him quite a bit.

That was Valiant Warrior.

He had this idea that the denomination I attend teaches "several false doctrines." Not only does a statement like that make no sense, but it couldn't be farther from the truth. I provided him with long, long pages of the SoF of my denomination and also a link to their values. He refused to look, saying he knew what he knew, and that was that.

Frankly this kind of thing irritates me more than anything.

You can accuse me of stealing your car, and I won't get too upset. I will simply show you that I was in Italy that day... or whatever. BUT, if you refuse to look at my plane tickets or at photos of me in Italy, holding up a dated newspaper, and keep on insisting I stole your car, our relation will soon end

I'll have to admit Im fairly strong in what I believe. Ive sat under great pastors and teachers of the Word. Ive been in church from the time I was a child, been in ministry 20yrs. Now Im not claiming to be a know it all, Ive changed or softened my thinking on some things. Ive certainly read,studied and asked questions down through the years. To me there are doctrines that are the foundation of Christianity, they are accepted as truth by the majority of Christians. Hell for me is one of those doctrinal truths. I like that Sirk was honest with me in how he feels about the issue. And I think I understand your feelings on the subject. Honestly it would take some convincing for me to change my views. I believe them to be Bible based and so far no one has changed my mind in this thread.

 

[kaylagrl]

We need to all get together and watch "The Waltons" together.

That sounds great, just dont let Willie have the remote.

 

[Sirk]

Please. I hope I will NEVER play on that. If I am acting stupid, don't ever think age gives me that right. Demi knows I won't hesitate to talk straight and plainly to a kid because they are younger, and it should apply equally in both directions.

I don't however, like the crap of "Well, he's old, so I will forgive his stupidity." I will honestly reply that I have probably forgotten more than they will ever even know. LOL

Lol. I think it's probably a little bit of a cultural thing. I was raised in a pretty strict Mennonite family and although us children were a handful we knew how to play the game, lol. I wouldn't hold back Willie but I think it's pretty ingrained in me to be a little more cautious when it comes to those of you further down the road than me. There is a lot of value the experience of having more time on the planet Imo. I really love some of my older customers and I always prod them to tell me about themselves if it feels right.

 

[Willie-T]

Is Willie our elder? Shoot fire the things he says he accomplishes, I think he fudged on his age. I think Im his elder!

Not only this age... but I have had a stroke, as well. And I am still in better shape than many of the 50 year-olds I know. LOL