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phil36

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Well, all I can say is, I will stand by John MacArthur. As far as I can see he is one of few nowadays standing for the truth of Scripture.

Billy Graham had great crusades, but yet it is clear to see what Billy and Schuller were talking about. it was very clear indeed, very clear.

In these times standing for the truth is important. and that is the Truth that God gave us in His word.

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shad

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phil36 said:
Well, all I can say is, I will stand by John MacArthur. As far as I can see he is one of few nowadays standing for the truth of Scripture.

Billy Graham had great crusades, but yet it is clear to see what Billy and Schuller were talking about. it was very clear indeed, very clear.

In these times standing for the truth is important. and that is the Truth that God gave us in His word.

Love

Phil
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I am going to bring something up in another post from the scriptures that will bring some light on what Billy Graham was saying and after you read it then you can tell me what you think then. John MacArthur was not obligated to say a thing about any of those interviews, but he chose to. He ignored the calling on Graham's life, the 50+ years of fruit and the grace of God that was upon that ministry. MacArthur chose not to honor it in any way and when he made those remarks against Billy Graham, he was making them against the One who called and raised him up. He did not even make a comment, to my knowledge, thanking God for the tremendous work that has been done in that ministry and to me that is willful negligence and it is wicked and reveals something about his self righteous heart. David did not do it with Saul and Saul tried to kill him and God had rent the kingdom from him and was giving it to David. David called him a prince and said not one word that discredited him and even had a young boy put to death because he had no fear to raise his hand against God's anointed. MacArthur is without excuse and he should repent of his wickedness. If you or anyone want to debate that with me I am loaded with the scriptures and have God to back me on it.
 
phil36

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Yes that would be good Shad, to clarify what Schuller and Graham where talking about.

thanks

Phil
 
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Dr. James Dobson is also ecumenical.
 
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Dr. James Dobson is also ecumenical.
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I would like to ask you what you believe and how you apply that to every believer. Do you believe that the blood of Christ paid for everyone of your sins past, present and future and buried them, never to deal with you according to your sins and never remembers them anymore? If anyone brings up your sin He does not listen to it because Jesus Christ as our advocate pleads your case and is constantly reminding the Father that His blood took care of all your sins and we can not be judged for them again because they were already judged through Christ. Do you believe and practice that with yourself and your brothers in Christ? If you don't then you do not believe the Bible, but if you do believe, then you are living by faith in the love of the truth and there is no occasion of stumbling in you. Do you love James Dobson as your brother and would you lay your life down for him because the blood has taken care of all his sin? Paul was determined to know nothing among the believers at Corinth except Christ and Him crucified. Is that how you look at every believer? If you do then you believe the Bible, God's inspired word that will never pass away.
 
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I would like to ask you what you believe and how you apply that to every believer. Do you believe that the blood of Christ paid for everyone of your sins past, present and future and buried them, never to deal with you according to your sins and never remembers them anymore? If anyone brings up your sin He does not listen to it because Jesus Christ as our advocate pleads your case and is constantly reminding the Father that His blood took care of all your sins and we can not be judged for them again because they were already judged through Christ. Do you believe and practice that with yourself and your brothers in Christ? If you don't then you do not believe the Bible, but if you do believe, then you are living by faith in the love of the truth and there is no occasion of stumbling in you. Do you love James Dobson as your brother and would you lay your life down for him because the blood has taken care of all his sin? Paul was determined to know nothing among the believers at Corinth except Christ and Him crucified. Is that how you look at every believer? If you do then you believe the Bible, God's inspired word that will never pass away.
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I appreaciate the point you are making. All I said was that Dr. James Dobson is ecumenical. I didn't say I hated him, I didn't say I condemn him, I just said that he is ecumenical. And therefore dangerous. Is he a Christian? That I will leave up to The Lord Jesus Christ to decide. I believe that Jesus covers the sins of a person who belives the One True God, But Paul warned about people preaching a another Jesus or recieving another spirit and I'm just trying to decide if he serves the Jesus of the Bible. From the information that I have gathered, James Dobson supports the Catholic Church, he thinks it is ok for young teens to masterbate, he supports a women who takes the seed of another man she is not married to if her husband is infertile( ive heard him interview this women on the radio). So you judge for yourself in light of Scripture, that is were I get my answers. Sometimes we don't have to judge; the Scriptures do it for us.
 
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I appreaciate the point you are making. All I said was that Dr. James Dobson is ecumenical. I didn't say I hated him, I didn't say I condemn him, I just said that he is ecumenical. And therefore dangerous. Is he a Christian? That I will leave up to The Lord Jesus Christ to decide. I believe that Jesus covers the sins of a person who belives the One True God, But Paul warned about people preaching a another Jesus or recieving another spirit and I'm just trying to decide if he serves the Jesus of the Bible. From the information that I have gathered, James Dobson supports the Catholic Church, he thinks it is ok for young teens to masterbate, he supports a women who takes the seed of another man she is not married to if her husband is infertile( ive heard him interview this women on the radio). So you judge for yourself in light of Scripture, that is were I get my answers. Sometimes we don't have to judge; the Scriptures do it for us.
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Are you a Christian? How am I to know that you are a Christian? Is there anything in the scriptures that helps us in this area of knowing those that belong to God? Is there fruit? Shall we know who abides in Christ by their fruit? Do you have fruit from God, if you do, then we know you by your fruit but if not, then you will also be known by your fruit whether it be good or evil. If you do not believe what the scriptures testify about the blood of Christ then you are also dangerous to those who have been redeemed and have all their sins covered by it with no conditions.
 
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Are you a Christian? How am I to know that you are a Christian? Is there anything in the scriptures that helps us in this area of knowing those that belong to God? Is there fruit? Shall we know who abides in Christ by their fruit? Do you have fruit from God, if you do, then we know you by your fruit but if not, then you will also be known by your fruit whether it be good or evil. If you do not believe what the scriptures testify about the blood of Christ then you are also dangerous to those who have been redeemed and have all their sins covered by it with no conditions.
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I guess I'm not sure what your trying to get at. No, I guess you don't know if i'm a Christian. The Bible say that herby do we know that we know Him if we keep His Commandments. The Bible says that this is the commandment To believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and to love as he loved. I do believe that Christ blood is importand for Salvation. That is why I don't use the NIV that take out the blood like three times or so. You must remember I wasn't attacting you. Maybe you put too much faith in Dobson, is that what caused you to be so defensive? We just simply can't put trust in man in these last days, but only on the Word of God.
 
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shad

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I guess I'm not sure what your trying to get at. No, I guess you don't know if i'm a Christian. The Bible say that herby do we know that we know Him if we keep His Commandments. The Bible says that this is the commandment To believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and to love as he loved. I do believe that Christ blood is importand for Salvation. That is why I don't use the NIV that take out the blood like three times or so. You must remember I wasn't attacting you. Maybe you put too much faith in Dobson, is that what caused you to be so defensive? We just simply can't put trust in man in these last days, but only on the Word of God.
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Concerning James Dobson, I do not agree with some things he says but I see his fruit. If he were to be critical of any man that God has raised up and produced fruit, I would be very angry with that because it violates the royal law of love and God doesn't like it either. When John MacArthur criticized Billy Graham, who has much fruit, that is a wicked thing that he let his tongue engage in. That was evil and he should repent of that wickedness. How will that wickedness be put away when so many have commended him on it. He has been clouded by his own judgment and when you let your tongue criticize a fruitful servant of God then you are fair game to have your tongue condemned. The average believer knows nothing about this because they do not have doctrine about this in their soul. There should always be honor between fruitful servants of God less the word of God be blasphemed and that's not good. If you have an issue with God's servant, go to him alone and you don't get up in your pulpit and speak against him, that is not what the pulpit is for.
 
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I got some more videos on the pope being a new age fraud I'm gonna post soon so we will back on track buddy.
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I can't break my promise so here it is:


You will notice the pope in this video giving a secret freemasonry hand shake. Try this hand shake at home, it is very unnatural. Freemasonry infiltrated the vatican a very long time ago and will lead many to the false christ(satan himself) who comes to decieve christians into thinking he is Christ. He is the most beautiful angel and Michael will cast him and the fallen angels down to deceive men. "Many shall come in my name". Those who follow the popes word as it is from God are in great danger of falling for the deception. This is what the new age lie is all about, the great endtime deception.
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiSkc_DQIEw[/video]
For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
I can document that it is satan himself that preforms these miracles and it is satan that shall sit in the third temple.
 
aspen

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So Miktre,

Is the Catholic Church the cause and source of all new age thinking within Christianity? I am just wondering, because you appear to be so focused on pantsing the Pope, in order to expose him for the Satanic entity, he really is that you may have lost the point of this thread, which is not to point fingers, but to discuss what new age looks like after it infiltrates Christianity.
 
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So Miktre,

Is the Catholic Church the cause and source of all new age thinking within Christianity? I am just wondering, because you appear to be so focused on pantsing the Pope, in order to expose him for the Satanic entity, he really is that you may have lost the point of this thread, which is not to point fingers, but to discuss what new age looks like after it infiltrates Christianity.
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No way, The Catholic church is defiantly not the cause and source, satan is. I'm showing you exactly what the new age looks like. I know many good Catholics that love the Lord, the danger is in following men that teach contradictory to the Word of God. Here is a picture of Rev Billy Graham so you don't think I'm picking on the pope.

Graham with president Harry Truman giving the secret handshake.

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miktre said:
No way, The Catholic church is defiantly not the cause and source, satan is. I'm showing you exactly what the new age looks like.


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Well, that was a better response than I expected - in James White's room I would have heard "the cross-dressing Pope can't be pantsed - he wears a dress!" So I commend you.
 
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miktre,

You are a whacked out fundamentalist. You are making this hand shake thing a little too mystical. People that shake hands often develop this shake that grips your fingers before you can get your hand in there and you naturally wrap your thumb over the top. Knock off this mysticism stuff and stick with the scriptures that are sound in the faith. Why don't you talk about Billy Graham's fruit over the past 50+ years instead of looking for things to discredit him so you can feel good about your conspiracy minded theories. Wake up and smell the coffee and quick drinking what's in those tea leaves.
 
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miktre,
You are a whacked out fundamentalist.
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Name calling is not sticking to the scriptures nor fruitful. If you are offended by my posts then I suggest using the ignore option.
 
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8For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
9(For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth:
10Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
11And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
12For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.
13But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.
14Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
15See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,
16Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.

Reprove
Strong's concordance
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elegchō
b) by conviction to bring to the light, to expose
 
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shad

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Name calling is not sticking to the scriptures nor fruitful. If you are offended by my posts then I suggest using the ignore option.
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You like to point the finger at others behind their back where they can not defend themselves against your accusations and you call that exposing and reproving the unfruitful works of darkness. But when the finger is pointed back at you, you call that unfruitful and not sticking to the scriptures. That is by definition an exercise in hypocrisy or in the psychological instability of a double-minded man. A man that has no fruit to show forth his good works has no liberty to judge another who has good fruit. What kind of tree do you eat from and let us see the fruit of your labor, whether it be good or evil.
 
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Christianity is supposed to be [ Christ ] oriented.
 
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shad

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Christianity is supposed to be [ Christ ] oriented.
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You got that right and when you start pointing fingers at servants like Billy Graham, who God raised up and produced much fruit, that is not Christ oriented and you better be careful who you make friends with and claim that you have fellowship with them. You will know them by their fruit!
 
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You like to point the finger at others behind their back where they can not defend themselves against your accusations and you call that exposing and reproving the unfruitful works of darkness. But when the finger is pointed back at you, you call that unfruitful and not sticking to the scriptures. That is by definition an exercise in hypocrisy or in the psychological instability of a double-minded man. A man that has no fruit to show forth his good works has no liberty to judge another who has good fruit. What kind of tree do you eat from and let us see the fruit of your labor, whether it be good or evil.
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I never said Graham was an evil man or a wacko fundamentalist. If you want to take the conversation to verbal insults then I think I'm gonna have to use the ignore option on you. If Billy Graham teaches a false doctrine like all roads lead to Christ or abortion is OK in some cases then I will tell people not to listen to him. You want to partake of his fruit then watch out what you bite into. There might be some dead babies hanging on that tree. I feel sorry for the young women that listen to men like this and end up suffering years of regret over it. He is not my pastor and he does not feed me.

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