Why Joseph Prince is a Cancerous Growth within God's People

[notmyown]

When you focus on the lord. You are focusing on your identity, Because your focusing on being "in Christ" and everythign that scripture says God has given to you. It is called setting your minds on the things above "Spiritual things which are eternal) and not on the things of this world (temporal things which have no eternal value)

at least thats they way I see it..

oic... a little lol

so it's more focusing on Christ?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

i know you didn't mean it so, but that was a good laugh this morning.

"I only buy Playboy for the articles!"

I know. All of those ads for birthday suits are such a labor to wade through. Sheesh!

 

[Depleted]

I don't see how you can get "reflects" out of what I wrote.



Jesus came to save us through grace. His nature. His unmerited favor.



Jesus died for the whole world. His atoning death paid for the sins of every person.

John 4:42

1 John 4:14

1 Timothy 4:10

John 3:17

John 12:47

1 John 2:2

Hebrews 2:9

1 Timothy 2:5-6

Romans 5:18

Romans 11:32


So, I don't know what Bible you've been reading.

KJV, NKJV, NIV, ESV, Genova, Good News for Modern Man. The Way... I can't remember all the Bible versions I've read, but not one says,"Jesus died for the whole world. His atoning death paid for the sins of every person."

So there's the problem. You're a universalist.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

just a thought on repentance.

metánoia... literally a change of mind, yes.

it's when we change our thinking and agree with God about anything and everything.
including agreeing with God about our cosmic high treason... our sin.
we agree we have sinned!

let's not sweep it under the rug as 'covered', although it surely is forgiven!
short accounts, right?
confession of sin is part of agreeing with God that we have committed it, isn't it?

Which is why I like the definition of admitting what we did which was wrong, instead of the religious definition which tells us to say I am sorry.

God knows our heart, he just wants us to admit wrongdoing, when we admit to God and others our mistakes, We can get help to overcome those issues.

 

[JGIG]

Catch you all later . . . Appointments and then traveling back home from St. Jude Children's Research Hospital later today. Please be praying for safe travels, as I tend to be pretty tuckered by the time we head home.

I'll look forward to seeing the Gospel lifted up here - so very grateful and blessed to see mature believers proclaiming our freedom and security in Christ!

Grace and peace,
-JGIG

 

[eternally-gratefull]

oic... a little lol

so it's more focusing on Christ?

Yes,, And focusing on who we are in Christ..

if we are not focused on Christ, we are focused on self. and all kinds of bad things happen when we do that,

 

[Depleted]

Biblically, the number five is the number of man, from what I understand of such things.

I thought Man is 6. (I learned something about the numbers in the 70's, so my info could have been wrong or my memory.)

 

[Grace777x70]

They struggle with the world, the flesh and sin, BECAUSE they struggle with their identity.

If they did not struggle with their identity. They would not struggle with the rest.

IMO..one of the beautiful aspects of the parable of the "loving Father" as I like to refer to it....is when the son came to his Father who ran to kiss and fall upon his neck - his Father gave him his true identity back as a the son that he really was. He gave him a ring of authority, shoes for his feet that speak of his sonship, and the robe of the house.

IMO knowing that we are in fact "in Christ" in truth in our new man and it's in the knowing of our true identity in Him is where we can start to walk in our sonship with Christ our Lord and manifest outwardly the life of Christ in and through us to a hurt world and to our fellow brethren who are in Christ with us.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

KJV, NKJV, NIV, ESV, Genova, Good News for Modern Man. The Way... I can't remember all the Bible versions I've read, but not one says,"Jesus died for the whole world. His atoning death paid for the sins of every person."

So there's the problem. You're a universalist.

SO now all grace teachers are universalists?

At least is is good to know you do not think God paid for all sin , (since that is your determination for calling someone a universalist) if I am wrong about that, then forgive me..

 

[notmyown]

Which is why I like the definition of admitting what we did which was wrong, instead of the religious definition which tells us to say I am sorry.

God knows our heart, he just wants us to admit wrongdoing, when we admit to God and others our mistakes, We can get help to overcome those issues.

thank you!!

i feel like i've been wading in thick mud.

"If we confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive us.... " !

i do love God's justice.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Catch you all later . . . Appointments and then traveling back home from St. Jude Children's Research Hospital later today. Please be praying for safe travels, as I tend to be pretty tuckered by the time we head home.

I'll look forward to seeing the Gospel lifted up here - so very grateful and blessed to see mature believers proclaiming our freedom and security in Christ!

Grace and peace,
-JGIG

be safe sis, and prayers headed your way..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

IMO..one of the beautiful aspects of the parable of the "loving Father" as I like to refer to it....is when the son came to his Father who ran to kiss and fall upon his neck - his Father gave him his true identity back as a the son that he really was. He gave him a ring of authority, shoes for his feet that speak of his sonship, and the robe of the house.

IMO knowing that we are in fact "in Christ" in truth in our new man and it's in the knowing of our true identity in Him is where we can start to walk in our sonship with Christ our Lord and manifest outwardly the life of Christ in and through us to a hurt world and to our fellow brethren who are in Christ with us.

I like it, it is when we forget who we are. or try to go out on our own, that we become the prodigal son. And that never works out right.

 

[Grace777x70]

Thank you JGIG!
....you said what I was unable to say but knew so well!

I agree...sometimes with me ..I can see things in my spirit but I don't have the words to articulate what I am seeing just yet. I think it takes the renewing of the mind in order to process these truths out.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

thank you!!

i feel like i've been wading in thick mud.

"If we confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive us.... " !

i do love God's justice.

amen, praise God it is not like mans justice, we would all be doomed..

 

[notmyown]

SO now all grace teachers are universalists?

At least is is good to know you do not think God paid for all sin , (since that is your determination for calling someone a universalist) if I am wrong about that, then forgive me..

that's not what she means.

if Christ paid for ALL sin, God's justice would demand ALL people would be saved. simples.

 

[Depleted]

oldthennew

That's ridiculous to say that someone that comes back in a thread to say something else is breaking their word...

So, you are saying on a regular basis I have said I am out of a thread? That is breaking your word? I really don't remember doing that before this thread but maybe I have said that maybe 2 times in the past?

If you are trying to say that I am dishonoring God because I come back in a thread to say something else then I wholeheartedly don't agree with that statement and its this very kind of "stuff" is why I wanted to stay away from this thread because it is this very nature that is being manifested in here and people think it's ok and godly.

As already said, I do it too. And, no. It's not ridiculous. It's the truth. Not only does it dishonor God, it dishonors you, and frankly, dishonors others as just explained in my last post about this. Why do you think I gave you a work-around?

What IS ridiculous is how you keep going for knee-jerk reaction and defense by attacking people who call you on your behavior. Now oldthennew is "ridiculous" for telling you the truth? We're not in grade school anymore.

 

[Budman]

KJV, NKJV, NIV, ESV, Genova, Good News for Modern Man. The Way... I can't remember all the Bible versions I've read, but not one says,"Jesus died for the whole world. His atoning death paid for the sins of every person."

So there's the problem. You're a universalist.

"And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world." (John 4:42)

"And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world." (1 John 4:14)

"For therefore we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe." (1 Timothy 4:10)

"For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved." (John 3:17)

"And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world." (John 12:47)

"And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world." (1 John 2:2)

So, there's the problem. You are wrong.

 

[Grace777x70]

Catch you all later . . . Appointments and then traveling back home from St. Jude Children's Research Hospital later today. Please be praying for safe travels, as I tend to be pretty tuckered by the time we head home.

I'll look forward to seeing the Gospel lifted up here - so very grateful and blessed to see mature believers proclaiming our freedom and security in Christ!

Grace and peace,
-JGIG

Safe travels and we are praying for your family during this time. Bless you!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

that's not what she means.

if Christ paid for ALL sin, God's justice would demand ALL people would be saved. simples.

Thats what I said is it not? (I pray that did not sound mean, I did not mean it to)

No, If God paid for every sin, He COULD OFFER salvation to everyone. and extend grace to all men, because he wishes that no one would be lost, but all would be saved, and he is seen throughout the universe as a fair and just god who loves all people.

Then not save those who reject him (blaspehmy of the spirit) Which he did not die for..

oh, and PS. Budman is not a universalist either, if you read his posts..

Love ya Mom!!

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

honestly? i don't get the whole 'identity' biz. very confusing to my little mind.

i'd rather focus on the Lord.

Just thinking out loud here. That 'identity' biz is based on the concept that salvation derives from right thinking (believing). Right thinking is knowing (being aware of) one's true self. One's true self is a perfected spirit being. Salvation, then, is repenting of any thoughts that conflict with this identity. Basically, salvation by knowing self.