Whats the deal with Catholics?

[posthuman]

He said Himself that whoever hears the word of God and puts it into practice is His mother, brother and sister.

this (Matthew 12:46-50, Mark 3:31-35, Luke 8:19-21) reminds me of another subject i've been meaning to ask a catholic about, actually.

scripture is very clear that Mary had other sons and daughters -- it's even generally accepted that the James who wrote the book of James and headed the church in Jerusalem (not Peter, interestingly) was the half-blood-brother of Jesus, a son of Mary via Joseph.

so you guys hold that Mary remained a virgin all her life, right? that she still is a virgin? isn't that what some of your ritual prayers still call her?
i've always wondered how you get around the fact that she had other children, if you're calling her a perpetual virgin. are all Jesus' siblings immaculately conceived? is that the idea? or some strange "obviously-technically-not-a-virgin-at-all-but-still-one-anyway-magically-poof!" kind of thing?
what's the 411 here?

thanks.

((BTW it's not just those verses above that say Mary had other children, both boys and girls, and that this was common knowledge. also see Mark 6:3 and Matthew 13:55-56. by the testimony of multiple witnesses in the scripture, the truth is established, yes?))


(((where do you get these ideas, and why do you hold them?? i highly suspect: it's Ashereh-ism. it's accommodating worship of a goddess among pagans and assimilating it into catholicism, just like Israel did. that's my working hypothesis. you probably find that repugnant, but i find this business repugnant too, so there. we're even LOL)))

 

[B1Davanda]

Just because someone appears to fit some recent pattern doesn't mean they are a part of it.

You can rest assured that although ONELORD happens to have a nic in all caps, that is the ONLY part of the pattern that matches. There's a lot more to the pattern that would not be apparent (or available) to persons without "behind the scenes" access that he does not match.




No apology necessary. If "all caps nics" were against the rules, your nic would not have been approved for use.

Check 'ONELORDS' profile.....
27 male june 12th

•UNLADYLIKE etc., .....
same profile

•JESUSISGODMARYMOTHEROFGOD
same profile plus wisconson june 10th

•EATMYFLESHDRINKMYBLOOD
same as above

•PROTESTANTHERETICS
same but married and june 7th

•CCHERESYPATROL
same profile, added algeria flag of origen?

•DOYOUDENYREVEALEDJTRUTH
june 11th

•DOPENANCEANDMORTIFICATION
june 11th

Another one was BLESSMEFATHERFORIHAVESINNED
These all appear to be one or one group,
and there may be more,
doesn't seem to be coincidence.

I don't want to falsely accuse anyone,
just pointing out the similarities. God bless.

 

[MikeHenderson]

Again the Scriptures teach One God One Mediator. Not two gods two mediators like the Catholics teach.

The very first Christian Church was back in the Book of Acts. This was the True Christian Church. There was nothing mentioned about Catholic till long after.

The Catholic Church was created in the 3rd Century by the Romans to counteract against the Truth from the Christians.

In the 1500's God struck down the Catholic Church. He removed the Scriptures from the Catholic Church and gave it back to the World to read and Study. Did you know that if a person read the Scriptures without permission from the Catholic Church they were put to death for it?

Since then the Catholics have been walking further and further away from God to serve their god Mary.

 

[MikeHenderson]

The Council of Tarragona of 1234, in its second canon, ruled that:
"No one may possess the books of the Old and New Testaments , and if anyone possesses them he must turn them over to the local bishop within eight days after promulgation of this decree, so that they may be burned.

Enough said.

 

[valiant]

Thanks for your response. Where in holy scripture does it say NOT to pray to our deceased brother and sisters in Christ?

Where does it say not to pray to the Devil? You are wasting your time praying to people who can't hear you. There are no scriptural grounds for saying they can

How can Rev 12 not bear weigh to being about Mary?! since when? It has always been taught.

it has always been taught by YOUR church. But the sun, moon and twelve stars shows it is ISRAEL (Joseph's dream).

She is the queen of the twelve tribes of Israel (12 stars on head head),

your church made her a queen in19th century long after Revelation was written. There was only one queen of heaven in the bible - Ishtar, the twelve stars represent the twelve tribes of ISRAEL.

birth pangs (giving birth to Christ) red dragon (Herrod) he wanted to devour her child (Christ) that's why he had every first born child killed. she brought forth a male child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron

all point to Israel

. Her child was caught up with God and to his throne. The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared by God (Bethlehem).

When did Mary flee into the wilderness after Christ was caught up? But we KNOW that the Jewish church did.[

Now tell me the relation to Israel being the woman?

Simple. The sun, moon and twelve stars represent Jacob, his wife and twelve sons, per Joseph's dream. Israel suffered birth pangs. Israel brought forth the Messiah. Israel was driven into the wilderness after Christs ascension,,

As I have already mentioned, Rev 5 and Rev 8 hold evidence the saints have prayers.

It was ANGELS who offered up the prayers of the living saints on earth. No need for dead Christians to pray, they are worshippig God,

 

[ONELORDONEFAITHONEBAPTISM]

this (Matthew 12:46-50, Mark 3:31-35, Luke 8:19-21) reminds me of another subject i've been meaning to ask a catholic about, actually.

scripture is very clear that Mary had other sons and daughters -- it's even generally accepted that the James who wrote the book of James and headed the church in Jerusalem (not Peter, interestingly) was the half-blood-brother of Jesus, a son of Mary via Joseph.

so you guys hold that Mary remained a virgin all her life, right? that she still is a virgin? isn't that what some of your ritual prayers still call her?
i've always wondered how you get around the fact that she had other children, if you're calling her a perpetual virgin. are all Jesus' siblings immaculately conceived? is that the idea? or some strange "obviously-technically-not-a-virgin-at-all-but-still-one-anyway-magically-poof!" kind of thing?
what's the 411 here?

thanks.

((BTW it's not just those verses above that say Mary had other children, both boys and girls, and that this was common knowledge. also see Mark 6:3 and Matthew 13:55-56. by the testimony of multiple witnesses in the scripture, the truth is established, yes?))


(((where do you get these ideas, and why do you hold them?? i highly suspect: it's Ashereh-ism. it's accommodating worship of a goddess among pagans and assimilating it into catholicism, just like Israel did. that's my working hypothesis. you probably find that repugnant, but i find this business repugnant too, so there. we're even LOL)))

Scripture makes this vague and difficult to understand, though I will clear it up. The Greek word for brother (adelphos; plural adelphoi) does mean sibling and about the fact that Greek has precise words for cousin, nephew, and other close relations. Adelphos is the word used whenever there's a mention of Jesus' "brothers" (Mt 12:46; 13:55-56; Mk 6:3; Jn 7:5; Acts 1:14; 1 Cor 9:5).It is wrong to infer from that bit of grammatical truth that Mary had children other than Jesus, mainly because what adelphos can only mean sibling in the New Testament. In Matthew 13:55-56 four men are named as brothers (adelphoi) of the Lord: James, Joseph, Simon, and Jude. Your former pastor concludes wrongly that these are at least some of Mary's other children. The New Testament proves otherwise.
In John 19:25 we read, "Standing by the foot of the cross of Jesus were his mother and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary of Magdala." Cross reference this with Matthew 27:56: "Among them [at the cross] were Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of the sons of Zebedee." We see that at least two of the men mentioned in Matthew 13 were definitely not siblings of Jesus (although they're called adelphoi); they were Jesus' cousins--sons of their mother's sister.
The Bible is simply silent on the exact relationship between Jesus and the other two men, Simon and Jude, mentioned in Matthew 13. This proves two important things. First, it proves that the Greek word for brother is sometimes used to mean something other than sibling, and it proves that Matthew 13:55-56 in no way demonstrates that Mary had other children.

 

[Demi777]

Are you so naive to not read the next line? It tells you the type on communication: in order to predict the future! It also claims it to be sorcery and witchcraft. Sorry you are confused. Those ghost hunter shows, now that's necromancy, not Christ's Church. God Speed

It said the main type of consultation, thats only one of many. plus dear brother Ive practised necromency before the Lord called me.
It is all about communication aswell. Talking and praying to dead (even family members) is Necromency and Idolatry. Repent as long as you can or go to hell thats on you to decide

 

[ONELORDONEFAITHONEBAPTISM]

It said the main type of consultation, thats only one of many. plus my dear I have consulted and called the dead in the past. I know what Necromancy is about. Repent as long as you still can for the Lord is near.

Tell me how it is not necromancy when you pray to Christ then, based on your definition?

 

[Demi777]

Tell me how it is not necromancy when you pray to Christ then, based on your definition?

We are supposed to pray in the name of Jesus. Which means your question is irrelevant.

 

[valiant]

How dare you dishonor the woman chosen by God to Carry God!

We honour Mary as the woman chosen to bear the Messiah. We do not honour the woman who failed in her duty to her Son when He was twelve. We do not honour the woman whom Christ rejected (Mark 3,33-35).

Remember your roots, Mary has been honored since the apostles,

where do the Apostles honour her?

YOU my friend have chosen the wide road easy to live and of little faith.

You my friend have chosen the route of major heresy.

she is the Mother of all Christians (Rev 12 "offspring")

Israel is the mother of all Christians, NOT Mary.

Why would anyone reject Mary?

we do not reject Mary, we reject the image that the RC church has recently built up.

Christ is my Lord and savior and hers too.

first sensible thing you've said.

Please tell me where the intercession to Mary and the saints is a sin.

they are not required by the NT. Jesus and the Holy Spirit are our intercessors,,

Us Catholics believe all the scriptures, wrote them, and put the bible together.

The scriptures where written long before the Roman Catholic church was born. You are mixing it up with the Catholic (universal ) church. We are Catholics. Just not ROMAN Catholics. The Apostles and their close associates wrote the Scriptures.
They were not Roman Catholics. Get your history sorted out. The independent churches of 1st and 2nd century put the Bible together. Later councils just confirmed it, and none of them were Roman Catholic,

you are relying on false history, (RC History)

 

[valiant]

Tell me how it is not necromancy when you pray to Christ then, based on your definition?

if you don't KNOW the answer you shame even your own church.

 

[JustWhoIAm]

Tell me how it is not necromancy when you pray to Christ then, based on your definition?

Mark 12:26-27 -

"'I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’ So he is the God of the living, not the dead. You have made a serious error.”

 

[ONELORDONEFAITHONEBAPTISM]

We are supposed to pray in the name of Jesus. Which means your question is irrelevant.

Who is in the body of Christ? Knowing Christ is the head? Have you been baptized in the name of the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit?

 

[ONELORDONEFAITHONEBAPTISM]

We honour Mary as the woman chosen to bear the Messiah. We do not honour the woman who failed in her duty to her Son when He was twelve. We do not honour the woman whom Christ rejected (Mark 3,33-35).

Wow that is completely out of context, so you're saying Christ threw out the commandment to honor you father and mother? HE is the example. Ha that's ridiculous, sorry.


where do the Apostles honour her?
Christ himself tells john "behold your mother" and he even took her in and took care of her for the remainder of her life.

You my friend have chosen the route of major heresy.
How have I chosen heresy?




Israel is the mother of all Christians, NOT Mary.
Israel IS the Christians, the church- the Israel of God. What the heck would you get that Israel is the mother?




we do not reject Mary, we reject the image that the RC church has recently built up.
So you THINK you know what we believe about Mary? We show her veneration, that is all. The Hail Mary prayer is straight out of scripture. Read Luke 1 again and open your eyeballs.


first sensible thing you've said.



they are not required by the NT. Jesus and the Holy Spirit are our intercessors,,
You are correct, but you're saying that in your opinion they're not necessary? So it's not a sin?


The scriptures where written long before the Roman Catholic church was born. You are mixing it up with the Catholic (universal ) church. We are Catholics. Just not ROMAN Catholics. The Apostles and their close associates wrote the Scriptures.
They were not Roman Catholics. Get your history sorted out. The independent churches of 1st and 2nd century put the Bible together. Later councils just confirmed it, and none of them were Roman Catholic,

you are relying on false history, (RC History)

You are relying too much on your false, Anti-catholic made up history. Look at any non- biased historical document and it'll show the church which Christ established wrote the scriptures, and binded them. The same ONE church (Catholics with the same belief as Christ taught)with different physical churches as they are today. There were not "denominations back then as there are today. The church was always the Catholic Church, the traditions and beliefs were the same as when it was named the Roman Catholic Church in the 4th century when Constantine converted pagan Rome to Christianity. What do you believe? What "Church" do you belong to? Who started your Church? I keep asking everyone of you protestants and no one can claim Christ started what they believe. Why is this? Let me think....

 

[FranC]

yeah they have a lot of bad things. but no denomination is perfect. God uses people from all denominations. download the list, youll need it here often lol.
heres another funfact
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I see you got a few likes on your image there.

I consider it almost blasphemous.
At the very least, it's in very poor taste.

Fran

 

[ONELORDONEFAITHONEBAPTISM]

I see you got a few likes on your image there.

I consider it almost blasphemous.
At the very least, it's in very poor taste.

Fran

Amen Fran, poor move. Think about how Jesus feels seeing that poor taste in jokes. Yikes. God Bless

 

[valiant]

Scripture makes this vague and difficult to understand, though I will clear it up.

Scripture is crystal clear, you are trying to confuse the issue,

The Greek word for brother (adelphos; plural adelphoi) does mean sibling and about the fact that Greek has precise words for cousin, nephew, and other close relations. Adelphos is the word used whenever there's a mention of Jesus' "brothers" (Mt 12:46; 13:55-56; Mk 6:3; Jn 7:5; Acts 1:14; 1 Cor 9:5).

But if Jesus was not the firstborn He was not the 'Son of David'. After Solomon the firstborn always was the heir,

It is wrong to infer from that bit of grammatical truth that Mary had children other than Jesus, mainly because what adelphos can only mean sibling in the New Testament.

But the natural reading is that they were Jesus brothers. There is no reason to think otherwise. And if Mary had been younger than they she would not have taken the lead against Jesus.

In Matthew 13:55-56 four men are named as brothers (adelphoi) of the Lord: James, Joseph, Simon, and Jude. Your former pastor concludes wrongly that these are at least some of Mary's other children.

They are ALL his brothers, elsewhere his sisters are also mentioned,

The New Testament proves otherwise.

In John 19:25 we read, "Standing by the foot of the cross of Jesus were his mother and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary of Magdala." Cross reference this with Matthew 27:56: "Among them [at the cross] were Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of the sons of Zebedee."

This merely proves she had a sister who possibly also had sons called James and Joseph (exceedingly common names),

We see that at least two of the men mentioned in Matthew 13 were definitely not siblings of Jesus (although they're called adelphoi); they were Jesus' cousins--sons of their mother's sister.

the brothers and sisters of Jesus in Matthew 13 are not connected with the James and Joseph who were possible cousins. The names are too common to say otherwise. Those in Matthew 13 were ACTUAL brother of Jesus,

The Bible is simply silent on the exact relationship between Jesus and the other two men, Simon and Jude, mentioned in Matthew 13.

The Bible clearly says they were His brothers,

This proves two important things. First, it proves that the Greek word for brother is sometimes used to mean something other than sibling, and it proves that Matthew 13:55-56 in no way demonstrates that Mary had other children.

LOL in your dreams

 

[posthuman]

Scripture makes this vague and difficult to understand, though I will clear it up.

uh, no -- scripture, and the Spirit that indwells us and teaches us, makes it clear and very easy to understand, and you are trying to muddy it up.

even your "proof text" says that Mary had other sons.

i just didn't know how you guys try to get around these simple facts -- so now i know: you twist scripture till its nose bleeds, and exchange the plain truth for a contrived lie.

thanks for the explanation. . . but has it not hit you yet that everyone can read the scriptures now, not just your bishop?

I defie the Pope and all his lawes. If God spare my life, ere many yeares I wyl cause a boy that driveth the plough to know more of the Scripture, than he doust.
​

- Tyndale
​

and God indeed spared this righteous man's life.

Your former pastor concludes wrongly

who? what?

you're confused.

thanks very much for the reply though!
now i know what you guys do, and that's what i asked for
you've been gracious, if deceived.

 

[posthuman]

Tell me how it is not necromancy when you pray to Christ then, based on your definition?

Jesus Christ lives for ever and ever!

did you not hear?

He is risen!

through Him we have access directly to the Father. we are all made priests by Him -- we have no need of earthly priests. by Him also we were given of the Spirit of God, who groans within us in intercession, because we do not know how we ought to pray.

Mary was not ascended to the heavens, nor did she come down from thence. she has not risen from the grave yet; she lies sleeping in Abraham's bosom, and we will meet her in the air. the Lord Christ however has conquered the grave, having been raised up and ascended back to the heavens from where He came, where He is seated at the right hand of the Father, making intercession for us, and preparing a place; waiting for His enemies to be made His footstool.

do you compare this woman to Him?

 

[valiant]

You are relying too much on your false, Anti-catholic made up history.

I took the first 500 years of church history as a major in my advanced degree. The books I read included Duchesne, a roman catholic historian and many other world renowned scholars. THEY produced material which was criticised by their peers,
.
It is YOU who are relying on made up history, your books have to be imprimatured (officially accepted by the Roman Catholic church).

Look at any non- biased historical document and it'll show the church which Christ established wrote the scriptures, and binded them.

I have done and you are talking absolute rubbish,

The same ONE church (Catholics with the same belief as Christ taught)with different physical churches as they are today.

I am member of the Catholic church, but NOT of the heretical Roman catholic church which does NOT hold the same beliefs as Christ taught,

There were not "denominations back then as there are today.

Because they were all independent churches. They did not belong to any hierarchy,

The church was always the Catholic Church, the traditions and beliefs were the same as when it was named the Roman Catholic Church in the 4th century when Constantine converted pagan Rome to Christianity.

The Roman catholic church was not so called in Constantines day, The Roman church tried to claim supremacy but was put in its place by Alexandria, Antioch and Jerusalem who pointed out that they were more ancient., There was no one church. They were still independent of each other.,

What do you believe?

the apostolic teaching

What "Church" do you belong to?

what church do you belong to? LOL the 8th century Roman Catholic church?

Who started your Church?

The Apostles,

I keep asking every one of you protestants

LOL I am not a protestant, I belong to an independent church which traces its history back to the Apostles.

and no one can claim Christ started what they believe

.

Christ started what I believe, that is more than the Roman Catholic church can say,

Why is this? Let me think....

be careful. you might come across the truth