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You can say that its all, and only about Jesus, but I think Jesus had a few things to say about his Father and the Holy Spirit.
We may be saved by the death and reserection of Jesus. That's true, but what about the chosen people of God...the Jews, they are still waiting for their Messiah.
I think they will recognize who the two witnesses are.
Remember... The law concerning the first born son. By law he is due a double portion! How about that little shadow?
Rev 10:5 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,
Rev 10:6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
Rev 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
Rev 10:8 ¶ And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, Go and take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth.
Rev 10:9 And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.
Rev 10:10 And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.
The mystery of God was not fulfilled at the cross. As this passage clearly shows.
And this passage is followed by the arrival of the two witnesses. I find that very interesting. Don't you
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We may be saved by the death and reserection of Jesus. That's true, but what about the chosen people of God...the Jews, they are still waiting for their Messiah.
I think they will recognize who the two witnesses are.
Remember... The law concerning the first born son. By law he is due a double portion! How about that little shadow?
Rev 10:5 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,
Rev 10:6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
Rev 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
Rev 10:8 ¶ And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, Go and take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth.
Rev 10:9 And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.
Rev 10:10 And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.
The mystery of God was not fulfilled at the cross. As this passage clearly shows.
And this passage is followed by the arrival of the two witnesses. I find that very interesting. Don't you
Peace
22For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them
out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
23But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be
my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.
Jewish Holy days?
out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
23But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be
my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.
Jewish Holy days?
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And I find it interesting that these passages follow the completion of their mission.
Rev 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
Rev 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
Rev 11:14 The second woe is past; [and], behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
Rev 11:15 ¶ And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Rev 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
Rev 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
Rev 11:19 ¶ And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
Rev 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
Rev 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
Rev 11:14 The second woe is past; [and], behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
Rev 11:15 ¶ And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Rev 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
Rev 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
Rev 11:19 ¶ And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
Rev 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up
Again, I ask the question: HOW GREAT ARE THE TWO WITNESSES?
Rev 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
Rev 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
Rev 11:14 The second woe is past; [and], behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
Rev 11:15 ¶ And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Rev 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
Rev 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
Rev 11:19 ¶ And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
Rev 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
Rev 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
Rev 11:14 The second woe is past; [and], behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
Rev 11:15 ¶ And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Rev 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
Rev 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
Rev 11:19 ¶ And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
Rev 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up
Again, I ask the question: HOW GREAT ARE THE TWO WITNESSES?
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Rev 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
Rev 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
Rev 11:14 The second woe is past; [and], behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
When Jesus rose into heaven....only his deciples were witnesses to the event.
The Two Witnesses rise into heaven... And the whole world witnesses it.
Why would it be greater display?
AGAIN, I ASK YOU TO TELL ME, HOW GREAT ARE THESE TWO WITNESSES?
Rev 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
Rev 11:14 The second woe is past; [and], behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
When Jesus rose into heaven....only his deciples were witnesses to the event.
The Two Witnesses rise into heaven... And the whole world witnesses it.
Why would it be greater display?
AGAIN, I ASK YOU TO TELL ME, HOW GREAT ARE THESE TWO WITNESSES?
No I don't find that "very interesting".
I find that very telling and adding to THE GOSPEL and one not even understanding his GREAT SALVATION which is in, by and through THE SON and HIM alone...
The two witnesses, sir...will be testifying of JESUS...
Just as all the witnesses born of HIS LIFE-GIVING SPIRIT do today...and did yesterday...and will do tomorrow...until all has been accomplished and the "year of GOD'S FAVOR" is complete.
I find that very telling and adding to THE GOSPEL and one not even understanding his GREAT SALVATION which is in, by and through THE SON and HIM alone...
The two witnesses, sir...will be testifying of JESUS...
Just as all the witnesses born of HIS LIFE-GIVING SPIRIT do today...and did yesterday...and will do tomorrow...until all has been accomplished and the "year of GOD'S FAVOR" is complete.
Revelation 11:12 Who is calling those two witnesses to "come up here"?
11And after three days and an half the Spirit[holy spirit] of life [from God] entered
into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
-this verse says [from God] not from Jesus, another verse here
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine
heart that [God hath raised] him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
11But if (the Spirit of him) that (raised up Jesus) from the dead dwell in you,
he[God] that raised up Christ from the dead [shall also] will quicken your mortal
bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
-this verse says that God [the father] who raised Jesus[the son]
who will also [raise others] if being indwelled with [the holy spirit].
it does not say Jesus raises anyone, but God does it.
calling those two witnesses to "come up here" is God the Father
-If God[the father] dies, how does God [give himself] the spirit?
this verse alone should prove that one witness is not God .
28Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard, that the everlasting God,
the Lord, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary?
there is no searching of his understanding. 29He giveth power to the faint;
and to them that have no might he increaseth strength.
11And after three days and an half the Spirit[holy spirit] of life [from God] entered
into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
-this verse says [from God] not from Jesus, another verse here
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine
heart that [God hath raised] him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
11But if (the Spirit of him) that (raised up Jesus) from the dead dwell in you,
he[God] that raised up Christ from the dead [shall also] will quicken your mortal
bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
-this verse says that God [the father] who raised Jesus[the son]
who will also [raise others] if being indwelled with [the holy spirit].
it does not say Jesus raises anyone, but God does it.
calling those two witnesses to "come up here" is God the Father
-If God[the father] dies, how does God [give himself] the spirit?
this verse alone should prove that one witness is not God .
28Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard, that the everlasting God,
the Lord, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary?
there is no searching of his understanding. 29He giveth power to the faint;
and to them that have no might he increaseth strength.
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And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me,
except it were given unto him of my Father.
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.
Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
- Gods prohpets they would have to have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in them.
-that there is a way to salvation
We are reconciled to God by the death of Jesus Christ (Romans 5:10).
For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son,
much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
-by his goodness the Father brings us to and grants us repentance (Romans 2:4).
Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering;
not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
-After repentance, we are to be baptized. (Acts 2:38).
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of
Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
-It is the Spirit that actually begets us as sons of God (Romans 8:9, 14, 16-17).
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.
Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
-the begetting agent that comes from God, the Holy Spirit is the earnest or
down payment, of our salvation (Ephesians 1:14; Romans 8:16).
14Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of
the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
16The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
-We are baptized into the truth by God’s power (Matthew 3:11; John 1:33).
3I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I,
whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
-the Holy Spirit Is the Power of God , given to who he wants.
15He hath made the earth (by his power), he hath established the world by his wisdom,
and hath stretched out the heaven by his understanding.
5I have made the earth, the man and the beast that are upon the ground, (by my great power)
and by my outstretched arm, (and have given it) (unto whom it seemed meet unto me).
-Jesus had Gods power with no measure, given even from conception.
15For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord,
and shall drink neither (wine) nor strong drink;
and he shall be (filled with) the Holy Ghost, (even from his mother's womb).
34For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God:
(for God giveth) (not the Spirit by measure unto him).
14And Jesus returned in (the power) of the Spirit into Galilee (Luk 4:14)
Behold my servant, whom I uphold; (mine elect), in whom my soul delighteth;
I have put (my spirit) upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you:
and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea,
and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. (Act 1:8)
“The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him — the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding..
the holy spirit would come upon them , then they would witness
-Now if the Holy spirit was one of the witnesses? the Holy spirit would
have to be indwelled with the holy spirit, this does not make much sence.
And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me,
except it were given unto him of my Father.
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.
Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
- Gods prohpets they would have to have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in them.
-that there is a way to salvation
We are reconciled to God by the death of Jesus Christ (Romans 5:10).
For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son,
much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
-by his goodness the Father brings us to and grants us repentance (Romans 2:4).
Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering;
not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
-After repentance, we are to be baptized. (Acts 2:38).
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of
Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
-It is the Spirit that actually begets us as sons of God (Romans 8:9, 14, 16-17).
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.
Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
-the begetting agent that comes from God, the Holy Spirit is the earnest or
down payment, of our salvation (Ephesians 1:14; Romans 8:16).
14Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of
the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
16The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
-We are baptized into the truth by God’s power (Matthew 3:11; John 1:33).
3I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I,
whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
-the Holy Spirit Is the Power of God , given to who he wants.
15He hath made the earth (by his power), he hath established the world by his wisdom,
and hath stretched out the heaven by his understanding.
5I have made the earth, the man and the beast that are upon the ground, (by my great power)
and by my outstretched arm, (and have given it) (unto whom it seemed meet unto me).
-Jesus had Gods power with no measure, given even from conception.
15For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord,
and shall drink neither (wine) nor strong drink;
and he shall be (filled with) the Holy Ghost, (even from his mother's womb).
34For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God:
(for God giveth) (not the Spirit by measure unto him).
14And Jesus returned in (the power) of the Spirit into Galilee (Luk 4:14)
Behold my servant, whom I uphold; (mine elect), in whom my soul delighteth;
I have put (my spirit) upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you:
and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea,
and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. (Act 1:8)
“The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him — the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding..
the holy spirit would come upon them , then they would witness
-Now if the Holy spirit was one of the witnesses? the Holy spirit would
have to be indwelled with the holy spirit, this does not make much sence.
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You'll get no arguments from me....Your right, that doesn't make sense to me either
Psa 2:1 ¶ Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
Psa 2:2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,
Psa 2:3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
Psa 2:4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.
Psa 2:5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.
Psa 2:6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
Psa 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
Psa 2:8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
Psa 2:9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
Psa 2:10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.
Psa 2:11 Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
Psa 2:12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.