Total inability - original sin - inherited from adam
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Then why don't you just forgive him?
Who is the someone who is supposed to do something here?
Maybe the same "crap" starts over and over because YOU are supposed to forgive 70x7.
Maybe the circumstance is to grow YOU to be more like your Lord...
Maybe He doesn't change the circumstane because YOU won't listen to Him.
But Lord, what about THAT man?
You don't worry about him. YOU follow ME.
Who is the someone who is supposed to do something here?
Maybe the same "crap" starts over and over because YOU are supposed to forgive 70x7.
Maybe the circumstance is to grow YOU to be more like your Lord...
Maybe He doesn't change the circumstane because YOU won't listen to Him.
But Lord, what about THAT man?
You don't worry about him. YOU follow ME.
You're starting to sound like EG. I hope it's not contagious.
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Let me expand what I meant putting faith in Jesus. In evangelical groups this means the sinners prayer.
You say you beliefs and that means you are saved. You read the bible and the varied and massive phrases wash over you.
It becomes religious practice and a social group. I remember having every sunday night the preaching to come to faith, with the only people their mainly being believers. It was good to honour the Lord, but it did not meet the need or specify it.
Now my putting faith is Jesus is listening to Him as my Lord and saviour and doing what he tells me to do, not just because he tells me to do it, but because it is life and the Kingdom. Because I trust Him and what He has done in my life I follow Him.
So what I was trying to say for many putting faith in Christ, is saying I believe Christ went to the cross for me and my sins are forgiven. End of story.
It is why James says faith without works is dead, and Peter says we show we are saved by obeying the commands, or we find that what we are doing is obeying the commands though this was not our primary aim, it is the fruit of knowing Christ in our hearts.
Now if we actually spoke face to face, some of this would be simpler, because body language and intonation would be there.
It shows when people describe words as shouted or screamed, when that is not done, but plays in their heads or they can project this for others to imagine.
By the way I have good reason to be defensive because of past experience of certain individuals and knowledge of their strong opinions on certain subjects. Now if you cross these subjects, then you have sinned, insulted and should be thrown off for expressing a point of view. Enough said.
You say you beliefs and that means you are saved. You read the bible and the varied and massive phrases wash over you.
It becomes religious practice and a social group. I remember having every sunday night the preaching to come to faith, with the only people their mainly being believers. It was good to honour the Lord, but it did not meet the need or specify it.
Now my putting faith is Jesus is listening to Him as my Lord and saviour and doing what he tells me to do, not just because he tells me to do it, but because it is life and the Kingdom. Because I trust Him and what He has done in my life I follow Him.
So what I was trying to say for many putting faith in Christ, is saying I believe Christ went to the cross for me and my sins are forgiven. End of story.
It is why James says faith without works is dead, and Peter says we show we are saved by obeying the commands, or we find that what we are doing is obeying the commands though this was not our primary aim, it is the fruit of knowing Christ in our hearts.
Now if we actually spoke face to face, some of this would be simpler, because body language and intonation would be there.
It shows when people describe words as shouted or screamed, when that is not done, but plays in their heads or they can project this for others to imagine.
By the way I have good reason to be defensive because of past experience of certain individuals and knowledge of their strong opinions on certain subjects. Now if you cross these subjects, then you have sinned, insulted and should be thrown off for expressing a point of view. Enough said.
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see, Now your doing what Peter always does, You think I am trying just to make wves, and beat some innocent man down to protect others.
I am confronting a man who has continued to sin over and over for months.. (I know people have talking to him in private so that aspect has been taken care of)
If people continue to sugar coat his sins, it is never going to stop.. Your not the first person to tried, and as long as he allowed to continue, you will not be the last.
I am confronting a man who has continued to sin over and over for months.. (I know people have talking to him in private so that aspect has been taken care of)
If people continue to sugar coat his sins, it is never going to stop.. Your not the first person to tried, and as long as he allowed to continue, you will not be the last.
Just a point, one cc member wanted me and others to go away or be banned from their cc because they felt we were evil.
I am sure any supposed infraction will be taken as justification for another such response. Just so you know what the issues are and how sensitive they might be to nothing of any real importance and which has no foundation.
I am sure any supposed infraction will be taken as justification for another such response. Just so you know what the issues are and how sensitive they might be to nothing of any real importance and which has no foundation.
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Maybe you should,pray and ask God if you might be wrong about your perceptions of others beliefs?
Maybe God changed their hearts and minds and they were set free of those lies?
Maybe you aren't God and really can't read people's hearts and you should stop being so arrogant and prideful that you think you know more what they think and mean then they themselves do?
Maybe you could humble yourself and ask God?
But no. You can't be wrong, so it has to be everyone else.
It will be painful when God deals with you on that.
Maybe God changed their hearts and minds and they were set free of those lies?
Maybe you aren't God and really can't read people's hearts and you should stop being so arrogant and prideful that you think you know more what they think and mean then they themselves do?
Maybe you could humble yourself and ask God?
But no. You can't be wrong, so it has to be everyone else.
It will be painful when God deals with you on that.
I understand and I agree.
Except for the very last part. You have no reason to be defensive. No one owes you honor. All owe only God honor. The tyrant in us wants to demand respect and wants to fight for his right to it. Our Lord wants to set us free from this tyrant in ourselves. You do not need to defend yourself. You can pput it in His hands to do so and trust Him. You can just forgive.
Except for the very last part. You have no reason to be defensive. No one owes you honor. All owe only God honor. The tyrant in us wants to demand respect and wants to fight for his right to it. Our Lord wants to set us free from this tyrant in ourselves. You do not need to defend yourself. You can pput it in His hands to do so and trust Him. You can just forgive.
It's probably a good thing...the wolves have started to assemble again....and if you disagree with them....you are going to get bitten....it's the nature of the beast...( it's part of the original sin inherited by Adam as the Op talks about )
