I thought he spoke about politics, that it's weird that they are so against gay marriage for people who aren't even christian, but the rest doesn't matter. I understand that they also want their right to do what they want and not want others to put laws on them. It should all have been stopped much earlier, but everything else got legal too. I spoke to one guy who all of a sudden got homosexual feelings, but he was straight, he had a girlfriend and he thought it was after he watched porn, which wouldn't in the least surprise me, so I helped him how he could get rid of that. They should have banned porn. So many marriages destroyed by that, young kids who see it, I think it's abuse when a kid sees porn.
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On the sub topic of Attraction:
Attraction opens a door that can go two ways:
1) Love, Honor, Respect, Appreciation.
or
2) Lust, sin, carnal mindedness, darkness.
The path that follows the door of attraction will tell you which one is the condition of your soul and where you stand in your walk with God.
On the sub topic of Porn:
Porn is the devil's mind game of twisting purity, sacred and holy love making in a covenant marriage with God in the center into a false mind bending carnal minded lustful fantasy of bondage to darkness which is a counterfeit of God's purposeful design and his intent for sex in marriage.
Attraction opens a door that can go two ways:
1) Love, Honor, Respect, Appreciation.
or
2) Lust, sin, carnal mindedness, darkness.
The path that follows the door of attraction will tell you which one is the condition of your soul and where you stand in your walk with God.
On the sub topic of Porn:
Porn is the devil's mind game of twisting purity, sacred and holy love making in a covenant marriage with God in the center into a false mind bending carnal minded lustful fantasy of bondage to darkness which is a counterfeit of God's purposeful design and his intent for sex in marriage.
H
Only apart from God is something unchangeable.. Forever, only if they choose to stay in a particular state.
To say it's selfish is to judge while you have no idea what informed his decision. He obviously thought it was best and it very well could be. Is it best to be gay, no. To stay married when you feel it's a sham, no. The weight of his heart and the trouble from it is for him to carry out and find out what's best.. never for us to say he or anyone else should have done it different.. we are all fallible are we not?
Not one person makes a choice without someone on the outside saying we should have went a different direction..
He's obviously troubled and needs support not condemnation..
To say it's selfish is to judge while you have no idea what informed his decision. He obviously thought it was best and it very well could be. Is it best to be gay, no. To stay married when you feel it's a sham, no. The weight of his heart and the trouble from it is for him to carry out and find out what's best.. never for us to say he or anyone else should have done it different.. we are all fallible are we not?
Not one person makes a choice without someone on the outside saying we should have went a different direction..
He's obviously troubled and needs support not condemnation..
K
Quote "To say it's selfish is to judge while you have no idea what informed his decision."
Yes,I do know what informed his decision,he said it,he chose sin. And I am harder on Christians because they know the truth. He destroyed his wifes life and his child. And yes,that is extremely selfish.
Quote "never for us to say he or anyone else should have done it different."
Yes, it is for us to say when it involves sin. If a man left his wife because of an affair is that not selfish? Yes,it is,100%. Its choosing sin.
Quote "Not one person makes a choice without someone on the outside saying we should have went a different direction.. "
That statement doesn't pertain to this situation. He chose homosexuality,he should have taken a different direction and its not judging to say so. Its the truth and he knows the truth.
Quote "He's obviously troubled and needs support not condemnation.."
He needs the truth. When someone says "God is ok with my sin" they need to be called on it. He knows better.
V
Spiritual "warfare" could be reworded as spiritual "conflict". We are all in a perpetual state of conflict in that we are sinful children of our Heavenly Father. When we sin, we do give in to the devil as the devil seeks to do anything and everything contrary to God's word. God knew this and sent His only begotten Son to atone for the sins of man so that we could be saved by His grace. Giving in to sin (or the devil) is losing a battle, overcoming the temptation/sin (if we do ever come out of it) is winning the war.
It is my personal opinion, from reading the word of God, that people are shown the error of their ways by loving them out of their sin, rather than bashing/humiliating them out of it.
It is my personal opinion, from reading the word of God, that people are shown the error of their ways by loving them out of their sin, rather than bashing/humiliating them out of it.
K
Hisholly there is no call for that kind of sarcasm. If you can't discuss something maturely maybe you should skip this thread. He is saying that God accepts him as he is, thats false, its totally untrue. So as a Christian IT IS my concern because he is leading others astray. He has influence with young people, what he's saying is against what the Bible teaches. So ya,its my business. You can't beat anyone into anything, but you can call them on teaching against Gods Word. My approach is the same "approach" the Bible has, so maybe you need to think a little about your position and make sure if your opinions line up with the Word. And I'd appreciate if you'd drop the 'thanks doll', like you're talking down to me. Again,extremely immature.
V
I think there are more ways people "bash", humiliate, condemn, etc... than just using verbal hatred. I think it's the spirit of contempt a person has in their heart.
When we show this contempt, we reaffirm people deeper in their sin. If we allow the Holy Spirit to help us show God's love to someone losing the battle of a particular sin, the odds of that person winning the war are incredibly greater than if we rely on contempt alone.
When we show this contempt, we reaffirm people deeper in their sin. If we allow the Holy Spirit to help us show God's love to someone losing the battle of a particular sin, the odds of that person winning the war are incredibly greater than if we rely on contempt alone.
K
If a person has a spirit of contempt in their heart that is a different story. The Bible calls for love and any Christian worth their salt knows this. But I have an issue with, and Ive been saying this in threads forever, the fact that if you tell someone that homosexuality is a sin that leads to death,that is equated with bashing. As HisHolly seems to believe. I was in evangelistic ministry for years and had the opportunity to talk to people from all walks of life with all different issues. No one is helped by obscuring the way. The devil keeps people in bondage with his lies, we need to tell people the truth. But if you say anything about mentioning sin,you're a Westboro crazy and full of hate. And in my opinion,because the church refuses to stand up and make a clear line because they want to be PC they are keeping people in bondage to sin. The truth can't set people free if we refuse to speak it. But to todays Christians saying anything is a sin is to bash people. I never once saw in the Bible the disciples say "oh your sinning but I sin,you sin,we all sin so dont sweat it" No, they preached "repent,for the kingdom is at hand". Repent from what? Sin. We share the Gospel,the Holy Spirit convicts and a person becomes saved.
As far as the person in the OP he knows the truth. If he was having a struggle and asking for help that would be one thing.But he is saying he's gay and God is ok with that. The church cannot support that, he needs to be told that he is wrong. He needs to step out of ministry and get right with God again. You can love someone but I expect someone who loves me to tell me the truth. I have people close to me and they call me out when they think I'm in error,I do they same for them. We love each other enough to tell the truth. Telling someone they are ok in their sin isn't love.
Oddly enough when Jesus walked the earth He never condemned homosexual behavior. Now I know many will say that since Jesus is God and the bible does call it a sin that He did indeed condemn it but doesn't it seem reasonable that if He thought it as important as many here seem to deem it He would have said something about it? I am not an expert on homosexuality nor do I know many homosexuals but it seems to me that the people who this bothers so much must be projecting some inner feelings about the issue. Perhaps like the orlando shooter (apparently) those who beat the drum the loudest are actually doing so to mask something they are battling in themselves. Either way, bashing anyone who is not a Christian is surely no way to convert anyone.
Not being supportive of wrong behavior is not equal to bashing. If you are telling those who live that life that it is okay to live that life, then you are not serving the Lord. Christ not specifically with His own fleshy mouth while here in His time saying that homosexuals cannot be be saved unless they repent is not a reason to believe He is okay with it.
As someone who has also came from this life, I used to use the verses of a loving and merciful God to lead Christians to accept my life in order to be loving, too : p I claimed that it was wrong to judge and that God loves us just the way we are "created" and that they should accept me in order to be more loving, too : p
Its not that I disagree with you, I do believe in preaching the love of Christ, that He gave His life for us. But repentance still has to be a part of that, and we still have to stand on the truth, that homosexuality is wrong. And that living that life will lead to death. Those who are interested in not coming to Him, but having those who have came to Him be molded into their own world views in order to enjoy that life, will only twist those verses about love and grace to lead you to accommodate their lifestyle. We cant preach one part of the word and ignore the rest.
Its not that I disagree with you, I do believe in preaching the love of Christ, that He gave His life for us. But repentance still has to be a part of that, and we still have to stand on the truth, that homosexuality is wrong. And that living that life will lead to death. Those who are interested in not coming to Him, but having those who have came to Him be molded into their own world views in order to enjoy that life, will only twist those verses about love and grace to lead you to accommodate their lifestyle. We cant preach one part of the word and ignore the rest.