Whats the deal with Catholics?
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But lets not get confused between denominational differences and differences between "religions". For the most part, christian denominations agree on salvational matters (the important one to get right) but they just differ when it comes to non salvational topics. But a "religion" that teaches a different way of salvation can't be considered one of those christian denominations. So I don't like the defense that all denominations have issues, because clearly salvation is the deciding factor in this particular topic.
Firstly, not judging the person's heart. If a Catholic willingly follows the teachings of Catholicism and believes in that system then they are considered Catholic.
It all comes down to salvation and what a system teaches. Unfortunately Catholicism doesn't teach the truth. It teaches that faith and works are necessary for salvation, and Catholics willingly follow these teachings. Those that hold to these teachings don't believe that salvation is a one time event, they truly believe that salvation is an ongoing event where you can never be sure of your salvation (their catechism says it's an anathema to believe you are eternally forgiven, for example). So they believe in maintaining your salvation through works. Sadly legalists also believe the same thing when they claim that salvation can be lost - they are agreeing with the Roman teachings that salvation must be maintained and that you're not sealed and eternally forgiven.
God does save many Catholics and bring them out of that system. I've read testimonies of priests even that read just one verse of scripture and were convicted by it, and in that moment they got saved and left that system. They just couldn't remain in a system that taught a different gospel.
It's worrying when you read the catechism and see just how anti biblical it is, not to mention the contradictions. I recall once reading that the Catholic church believed Catholicism was the only true church and then they added that Muslims were a part of that church also. Talk about a major contradiction, they just couldn't make up their mind.
I would tell your friend to read the bible at home and tell him to clear his mind of everything he's been taught, just read the bible with a clear mind. Ask him to pray to God to reveal the truth to Him, because He will.
Firstly, not judging the person's heart. If a Catholic willingly follows the teachings of Catholicism and believes in that system then they are considered Catholic.
It all comes down to salvation and what a system teaches. Unfortunately Catholicism doesn't teach the truth. It teaches that faith and works are necessary for salvation, and Catholics willingly follow these teachings. Those that hold to these teachings don't believe that salvation is a one time event, they truly believe that salvation is an ongoing event where you can never be sure of your salvation (their catechism says it's an anathema to believe you are eternally forgiven, for example). So they believe in maintaining your salvation through works. Sadly legalists also believe the same thing when they claim that salvation can be lost - they are agreeing with the Roman teachings that salvation must be maintained and that you're not sealed and eternally forgiven.
God does save many Catholics and bring them out of that system. I've read testimonies of priests even that read just one verse of scripture and were convicted by it, and in that moment they got saved and left that system. They just couldn't remain in a system that taught a different gospel.
It's worrying when you read the catechism and see just how anti biblical it is, not to mention the contradictions. I recall once reading that the Catholic church believed Catholicism was the only true church and then they added that Muslims were a part of that church also. Talk about a major contradiction, they just couldn't make up their mind.
I would tell your friend to read the bible at home and tell him to clear his mind of everything he's been taught, just read the bible with a clear mind. Ask him to pray to God to reveal the truth to Him, because He will.
Everybody is born a sinner, even Mary. The only person born without sin was Jesus and that is because His father was the Holy Spirit who had no sin nature to pass on.
The Catholics today hate the Truth in the Scriptures that teach Mary was also born a sinner. Why? Its because Mary is the Main god of the Catholics.
Catholics do not follow God. Instead they follow Mary. Every Catholic has been deceived by the Catholic Church into accepting their lies.
Until the Catholics reject Mary they can never enter into Heaven.
The Catholics today hate the Truth in the Scriptures that teach Mary was also born a sinner. Why? Its because Mary is the Main god of the Catholics.
Catholics do not follow God. Instead they follow Mary. Every Catholic has been deceived by the Catholic Church into accepting their lies.
Until the Catholics reject Mary they can never enter into Heaven.
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My source is at one point I was a catholic. You just proved my statement if baptism removes original sin, that means babies if they are not baptized can not enter into heaven according to the catholic religion. Baptism cannot cleanse you of sins only a true belief and faith in the death, burial, and Resurrection of our dear Lord can make an atonement for your sins.
The true baptism is the Holy Spirit baptizing us into the Lord Jesus Christ. This happens only by a belief in the gospel which is found in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. All other baptisms (water baptisms) are a symbolic gesture to show the world that you have received the true baptism which is spoken of in the following verses. A baby cannot consciously make the decision to accept the Lord Jesus Christ nor can they choose to not accept the Lord Jesus Christ so they are saved. Water baptism has never or never will save a person it is a work. Works cannot get us to heaven. You, me, or anybody else cannot walk up to the Righteous Lord and say, I was baptized (followed what my religion told me to do, kept the sabbath, etc.) let me in now. This can only be obtained by receiving the free gift that the Lord has given us by faith in HIS work.
Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Ephesians 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
Ephesians 4:7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
This is the baptism Paul is speaking of in Ephesians:
1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Galatians 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
God Bless,
The true baptism is the Holy Spirit baptizing us into the Lord Jesus Christ. This happens only by a belief in the gospel which is found in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. All other baptisms (water baptisms) are a symbolic gesture to show the world that you have received the true baptism which is spoken of in the following verses. A baby cannot consciously make the decision to accept the Lord Jesus Christ nor can they choose to not accept the Lord Jesus Christ so they are saved. Water baptism has never or never will save a person it is a work. Works cannot get us to heaven. You, me, or anybody else cannot walk up to the Righteous Lord and say, I was baptized (followed what my religion told me to do, kept the sabbath, etc.) let me in now. This can only be obtained by receiving the free gift that the Lord has given us by faith in HIS work.
Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Ephesians 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
Ephesians 4:7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
This is the baptism Paul is speaking of in Ephesians:
1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Galatians 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
God Bless,
Baptism is just a sign that we have accepted Jesus as our Lord and Savior. Baptizing a baby is a waste of time.
Now there is nothing wrong if a parent wants their baby Baptized. But to believe and teach Baptism washes away sin is a MYTH taught by the Catholics.
The Catholics are very heavy into Myths. They rather have their ears tickled wit myths then the Truth from God. This is what all the Catholics are about, following man made Myths instead of the Truth.
2 Timothy 4:1-4
I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by His appearing and His kingdom: [SUP]2 [/SUP]preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, [SUP]4 [/SUP]and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.
We are to reprove, rebuke, exhort what the false Catholics teach. Just because Nikki84 wants to believe Baptism cleanses us of our sin does not prove Baptism cleanses us of our sins.
1 John 1:7
[SUP]7 [/SUP]but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.
Its the Blood of Jesus that cleanses us from all sins. AND the Scriptures says ALL sin. The problem is the Catholics define all as some, only a few. The Catholics redefine words to try to deceive the very Elect of God for their evil purposes.
So why Nikki84 are you teaching Baptism cleanses us of sin? I believe the reason Nikki84 teaches this is because he has never accepted Jesus as his Lord and Savior.
Very few Catholics have ever accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior because its not demanded in the Catholic Church for them to accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior.
Now there is nothing wrong if a parent wants their baby Baptized. But to believe and teach Baptism washes away sin is a MYTH taught by the Catholics.
The Catholics are very heavy into Myths. They rather have their ears tickled wit myths then the Truth from God. This is what all the Catholics are about, following man made Myths instead of the Truth.
2 Timothy 4:1-4
I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by His appearing and His kingdom: [SUP]2 [/SUP]preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, [SUP]4 [/SUP]and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.
We are to reprove, rebuke, exhort what the false Catholics teach. Just because Nikki84 wants to believe Baptism cleanses us of our sin does not prove Baptism cleanses us of our sins.
1 John 1:7
[SUP]7 [/SUP]but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.
Its the Blood of Jesus that cleanses us from all sins. AND the Scriptures says ALL sin. The problem is the Catholics define all as some, only a few. The Catholics redefine words to try to deceive the very Elect of God for their evil purposes.
So why Nikki84 are you teaching Baptism cleanses us of sin? I believe the reason Nikki84 teaches this is because he has never accepted Jesus as his Lord and Savior.
Very few Catholics have ever accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior because its not demanded in the Catholic Church for them to accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior.
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Nikki84 will never accept the Truth in the Scriptures. All he wants to do is follow what the Catholic Church says because he totally believes Salvation is only from the Catholic Church.
He will never accept the Truth because his eyes have been blinded.
We can argue all we want with the Catholics, but their main goal in life is deceiving people with lies from the Catholic Church. There is no Truth in the Catholic Church today. This is why God removed all His Children from the Catholic Church when He brought out John Calvin and others from the Corrupted Catholic Church centuries ago.
Today we have no need for the Catholic Church because we have the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit and His Scriptures. Also we have no need for the minions of the Catholic Church like Nikki84.
He will never accept the Truth because his eyes have been blinded.
We can argue all we want with the Catholics, but their main goal in life is deceiving people with lies from the Catholic Church. There is no Truth in the Catholic Church today. This is why God removed all His Children from the Catholic Church when He brought out John Calvin and others from the Corrupted Catholic Church centuries ago.
Today we have no need for the Catholic Church because we have the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit and His Scriptures. Also we have no need for the minions of the Catholic Church like Nikki84.
Originally Posted by valiant
Paul says ALL have sinned (Rom 5.12), no exceptions, and that includes two year old children and babes in arms, and the mentally disabled, for they ALL sinned in Adam. All therefore come under the judgment of God and need a Saviour.
Through one man's sin all died because all sinned (aorist). even those who had not sinned in the likeness of Adam's transgression,
we do not have to understand it, But if we believe Scripture we have to accept it
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A baby dies because it is flesh, after Adam.
But the soul of the child does not die to God.
To sin someone has to know the difference between good and evil.
Infants and toddlers don't know the difference, they have to be taught.
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Ezek 18:20, The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
Everyone is responsible for their own sins.
Baby's do not inherit sin on their souls from their parents.
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A baby dies because it is flesh, after Adam.
But the soul of the child does not die to God.
To sin someone has to know the difference between good and evil.
Infants and toddlers don't know the difference, they have to be taught.
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Ezek 18:20, The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
Everyone is responsible for their own sins.
Baby's do not inherit sin on their souls from their parents.
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